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Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:08 am

Can anyone give me the list of the world's top 20 most expensive airports in terms of landing fee?

I know HKG and NRT charge high fees. Not sure how much though.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:11 am

I know RDU is $1.07/1000 lb
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:30 am

I think checking out the fees at London City LCY may result in an immediate need of Oxygen  Wink
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 2:57 am

There was a thread not long ago where they said YYZ was about to become one of the airports with highest landing fees. Let me check if there are any numbers.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 3:02 am

I thought Heathrow was supposed to be expensive, but here are the fees for LCY taken from http://www.lcacc.org/fees/fees05(1).pdf : (peak hours)

Landing fee £700
Passenger load supplement £12.11 domestic; £14.61 international (per departing passenger)
Security levy £3.52 (per departing passenger)
Parking fees (stands 1-10) £222 per hour, first 40 mins free
Apron service charge £1.38 (per arr/dep passenger)
Apron service charge 70+ seater aircraft £55
Ground power £17 per 15 mins

Assuming a 75 seater aircraft, full on arrival and departure, international flight, and parks for an hour with ground power during that time, that works out at £2612.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 3:46 am

How does LHR compare to HKG and NRT in terms of landing fee?
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 5:34 am

Short google returned:

Costs to land at airports according to the globe and mail, canadian daily.

https://secure.globeadvisor.com/servlet/ArticleNews/story/gam/20050505/RAIRPORTS05


Ranking of highest airport landing fees in 2004
Airport Landing fee ($U.S., 747-400)
1 Tokyo Narita $8,777
2 Toronto Pearson 8,203
3 Osaka Kansai 7,643
4 Birmingham, England 7,035
5 Warsaw Chopin 5,954
6 New York LaGuardia 5,731
7 Oslo 5,510
8 Shanghai Hongqiao 5,465
8 Shanghai Pudong 5,465
8 Beijing Capital 5,465
8 Guangzhou Bui Yun 5,465
12 Vienna 5,463
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 6:08 am

We just changed our landing fees, at DFW, on 1 April 2005. The new rates are:

Permitted Airline/Corprorate Jet $5.83 per every 1,000lbs of MGLW

Non-Permit Airline/Biz Jet/GA $6.59 per every 1,000lbs of MGLW

Aircraft Parking First 2 hours free, then it is in 8 hour blocks and is tied to Max Ramp Weight.

Fuel:

Jet-A $3.90 per US Gallon
AV Gas (100LL) $4.63 per US Gallon
PRIST (Fuel Deicer) $11.73 per US Quart
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Manu (Reply 6):
1 Tokyo Narita $8,777
2 Toronto Pearson 8,203
3 Osaka Kansai 7,643
4 Birmingham, England 7,035
5 Warsaw Chopin 5,954
6 New York LaGuardia 5,731
7 Oslo 5,510
8 Shanghai Hongqiao 5,465
8 Shanghai Pudong 5,465
8 Beijing Capital 5,465
8 Guangzhou Bui Yun 5,465
12 Vienna 5,463

That suprises me - BHX above LHR, LCY, LGW etc??
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 9:25 am

Quoting Mhodgson (Reply 8):
That suprises me - BHX above LHR, LCY, LGW etc??

LCY wouldn't qualify for that list because it's based on a 744. Obviously whoever compiled it wasn't able to pro rata the fees and come up with a theoretical 744 charge.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 9:42 am

Quoting Manu (Reply 6):
Ranking of highest airport landing fees in 2004
Airport Landing fee ($U.S., 747-400)

6 New York LaGuardia 5,731


I assume that doesn't include the millions of dollars in damage landing a 744 at LGA might bring about.  crazy 
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 9:50 am

I thought DEN was very high...
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 10:12 am

I foresee a lot of speculation and little fact.  Wink
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 10:56 am

One tends to think that the most important airports in the world are the ones with the highest landing fees

i.e. JFK,LHR,LAX,ORD,HKG,SYD,etc...

I also thought ZRH was going to be in the top ten, but it's not the case. At least it must be pretty close to it.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 11:10 am

Of course, none of these fees apply to WN or other LCCs. Basically cut them in half.

Where's the level playing field??
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 11:47 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 1):

This is the reason why Skyway now midwest connect had to stop flying to RDU. Our flights would always be packed to the brim, crammed to MTOW every day. We had to stop because the landing fees took so much from that route's profits.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 11:50 am

RDU landing fees was just raised last year.. before that, it was $0.87/1000 lb.. or are you just joshing me?

I thought YX left because they were getting crappy passenger loads?
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
We just changed our landing fees, at DFW, on 1 April 2005. The new rates are:

Permitted Airline/Corprorate Jet $5.83 per every 1,000lbs of MGLW

Non-Permit Airline/Biz Jet/GA $6.59 per every 1,000lbs of MGLW

Aircraft Parking First 2 hours free, then it is in 8 hour blocks and is tied to Max Ramp Weight.

Fuel:

Jet-A $3.90 per US Gallon
AV Gas (100LL) $4.63 per US Gallon
PRIST (Fuel Deicer) $11.73 per US Quart

Say what?? Why is gas soooo expensive? I pay way less than that. Are these fuel prices for GA and Biz only? How much of deicer does it take to deice Biz Jet?

Quoting Manu (Reply 6):
5 Warsaw Chopin 5,954

Wow, second most expensive airport in Europe. And it is such a dump!
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:16 pm

Was there ever a time when no fees were charged?
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:26 pm

A little story for you.

I remember a while back two U.S. military aircraft did a touch and go at some airport in Tokyo. The pilots thought it was a real hoot and boy did the people at the airport enjoy it.

Boy was their commanding officer piping hot when he got the landing charges bill on his table.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 1:29 pm

hmmm why is prist so expensive at DFW??

up here in virginia we sell it pre-mixed with our Jet A at $.04 per gallon of Jet A, which runs $3.02 (3.06 w/prist) right now at VJI

last summer AvGas was in the neighborhood of $3 even here, now its close to $3.50

oh and just to make this stay on topic (somewhat)....we don't charge landing fees at VJI  Smile

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 2:32 pm

God bless Turpen.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 3:07 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 15):

SkyexRamper,

MTOW is maximum takeoff weight, not actual takeoff weight. When landing fees are calculated for MTOW, it doesn't matter what the actual load is, only the rated MTOW of the aircraft (specified on airworthiness or aircraft registration).

So saying that you stopped because the aircraft was crammed to MTOW every day doesn't make sense, as there would be no difference for the landing fee, if the aircraft was empty or full, you'd still pay the same landing fee for that particular aircraft.

Other charges such as passenger handling, busing, and catering can add significant fees at different airports, but landing fees based on MTOW will always be the same regardless of load.
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 3:54 pm

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 13):
I also thought ZRH was going to be in the top ten, but it's not the case. At least it must be pretty close to it.

The "Landing Fee" itself is actually not very expensive in ZRH. What makes it so expensive is all the rest coming along: ZRH has one of the most expensive passenger fees around and Skyguide providing the ATC asks quite a bit for approach control. Then you will find some minor fees like emission, noise etc. and that makes up quite a bit if you count all together.
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 9:48 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 15):
This is the reason why Skyway now midwest connect had to stop flying to RDU. Our flights would always be packed to the brim, crammed to MTOW every day. We had to stop because the landing fees took so much from that route's profits.

you're telling me that an airline stopped flying a route because it was too full? that's insane! landing fees are a proportional to your weight at landing, so whether you are half full or full to the brim, you're going to pay about the same percentage. would you rather pay 5% of $10,000 or 5% of $100,000?
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 10:22 pm

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 15):

Are you kidding me? NO airline would ever stop flying a route because it has too many passengers! I can't believe that you would even think that to be true for even a second!

This is what happens when rampers start to talk about the business of running an airline
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Mon May 23, 2005 10:25 pm

What about LHR, HKG, JFK, SIN etc?

KUL???
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting UAL747DEN (Reply 25):
This is what happens when rampers start to talk about the business of running an airline

That's the reason we were all given. That the landing fees were amounting to be too much. So now you've got something against rampers, heck if that what we are told, guess we have to go by that don't we. Think you shouldn't be so quick to pounce on the job title, grow up!

Quoting IL76TD (Reply 22):

Gee, thanks for clarifying MTOW for me, heck as a pilot I didn't know that....what i was saying was that the flights were always maxed out, so I believe I would be correct. We were going very good with that route, cargo, bags, mail, you name it we were filled with it. So do you even work for an airline, I see your job is in communitcations with a hobby of aviation. Outsiders shouldn't try to figure out an airline.

Once again, don't shoot the messenger and DON'T jump to conclusions based on a job title.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 7:37 am

Legacy 135, thank you for clearing me that up.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 8:39 am

>Jet-A $3.90 per US Gallon
AV Gas (100LL) $4.63 per US Gallon<

It is really strange that DFW only has one FBO given that it is a huge airport. Very few are like that. JFK is another example of a large airport with but one FBO.

>i.e. JFK,LHR,LAX,ORD,HKG,SYD,etc...<

LAX actually has among the lowest landing fees of any major airport.

>hmmm why is prist so expensive at DFW??<

One airport owned FBO.

>Of course, none of these fees apply to WN or other LCCs. Basically cut them in half.

Where's the level playing field??<

What are you talking about? Of course they do.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 9:21 am

Quoting KLM685 (Reply 13):
One tends to think that the most important airports in the world are the ones with the highest landing fees

i.e. JFK,LHR,LAX,ORD,HKG,SYD,etc...

Rules for landing fees differ by country but U.S. landing fees have to be revenue neutral so the highest landing fees tend to be at the airports with the greatest capital improvements. Some like LGA are probably high due to high operating and maintenance costs. DEN has high landing fees to help pay its construction bonds. LAX is relatively low because few improvements have been made since the 1984 renovation, which was not that extensive to begin with.

One of the reasons WN does not want to fly to DFW is because the landing fess are much lower at DAL. Actually, if you look at the airports with the highest landing fees, you will see that WN flies to very few of them.

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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 9:23 am

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 12):
I foresee a lot of speculation and little fact.

Welcome to airliners.net  Wink
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 9:35 am

>LAX is relatively low because few improvements have been made since the 1984 renovation, which was not that extensive to begin with.<

Don't forget the taxiway improvements needed for the 744 or the DNC freshening in 2000. Still, LAX has spent relatively little over the past several years. That should change soon, though the Hahn plan is not the way to go
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 21):
God bless Turpen.

I really hope Toronto comes back to Earth.. and soon

FLYYUL--you seem to want it both ways--you absolutely refused to admit a couple weeks ago that the federal government completely shafted the GTAA in giving away rent rebates to every major airport in the country with the exception of by far the most important namely YYZ.

Now I gather you find fault alone with Turpin, who admittedly is deserving of blame? But what Turpin deserves blame for most is rolling over like a dying chicken instead of standing up to the feds in the local media and pointing out that the same Liberal government that relies entirely on Ontario to stay on power is blatantly discriminating against YYZ one of the more important employers and economic engines in the GTA?
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 11:45 am

Since airports charge so much for a plane to land do they have any "take-off" fees ?
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 2:20 pm

I would have thought that JFK would have been more than LaGuardia. What would make LaGuardia so much higher, I wonder? Maybe JFK is more expensive overall but LaGuardia just has the higher landing fees. Anyone shed some light?

Kindof like I've always heard of Zurich as being one of Europe's and the world's most expensive airports to operate out of, and I'm wondering what all would make it high (seeing that it doesn't have close to the top landing fees in the world).
 
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 3:00 pm

I thought our Rent-A-Governor raised taxes on landing fees yesterday, and made SEA #1.  Wink
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 3:22 pm

I too have heard that DEN has very high landing fees.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 7):
Jet-A $3.90 per US Gallon

That must be retail. Wholesale is around $1.40/gal. If airlines were paying $3.90/gal they'd all be Ch 7.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 16):
I thought YX left because they were getting crappy passenger loads?

The loads were decent, but operating RDU MKE on a Do-Jet is a bit of a stretch. When the flight was full it had weight restrictions. I believe it was SYX's longest flight while it lasted.
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 7:31 pm

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 37):
The loads were decent, but operating RDU MKE on a Do-Jet is a bit of a stretch. When the flight was full it had weight restrictions. I believe it was SYX's longest flight while it lasted.

The word I heard was that YX was not going to return to RDU.. but wouldn't it be a good idea for them to return with at least a 1x MKE/MCI on their 717 if they had good loads? Or are they really just completely finished with RDU?
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RE: Top 20 Highest Landing Fees

Tue May 24, 2005 8:07 pm

Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 11):
I thought DEN was very high...

It is - 5280 feet.

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