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Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 2:55 am

Hi

Just wondering if BA have a plan yet as to which flights will transfer to T5 LHR first? Will all existing flights fit with just the main terminal and one satellite open or will some have to wait until the second satellite opens?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 5:12 am

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 5:31 am

Is all of BA flights going to be from T5?

What carriers are to use T5 other than BA and QF?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 6:18 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Is all of BA flights going to be from T5?

Yes. Under one roof at last.

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
What carriers are to use T5 other than BA and QF?

Certainly no more than them. Infact, according to some BA staff users on here not even QF will be going into T5. There've been stacks of threads on this recently, just use the search and you'll find a lot more info.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting VirginFSM (Thread starter):
Just wondering if BA have a plan yet as to which flights will transfer to T5 LHR first? Will all existing flights fit with just the main terminal and one satellite open or will some have to wait until the second satellite opens?

All flights will make the move on the same day, unless there is a change in the current plans, which is unlikely. It will be a challenge managing without the second satellite, but BA is pushing to get the construction date moved up for that phase.

Quoting LHR27C (Reply 3):
according to some BA staff users on here not even QF will be going into T5.

That's correct, QF will not be going to T5. Simply BA.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 8:16 am

From what I understand, there's been a bit of discussion around Waterside about suspending the flying program over the weekend of the move to T5. Whether or not this'll happen, who knows! I think it would mitigate some of the risks but the powers that be will need to weigh that against lost revenue.

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 9:32 am

I'm traveling to LHR from SFO in July on BA. My ticket says T1 but as of now I'm assuming I will be in the new T5, is that correct?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting Freedomtofly (Reply 6):
I'm traveling to LHR from SFO in July on BA. My ticket says T1 but as of now I'm assuming I will be in the new T5, is that correct?

Errrr no, I'm afraid T5 won't be open until 2008  wink 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 9:01 pm

What will eventually happen to T4?
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 9:25 pm

Aren't BA going to keep a couple of flights in any of the other terminals so they have some say in running of the terminals, a la MIA flights out of T3?

Quoting Freedomtofly (Reply 6):
I'm traveling to LHR from SFO in July on BA. My ticket says T1 but as of now I'm assuming I will be in the new T5, is that correct?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 10:00 pm

Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 9):
Aren't BA going to keep a couple of flights in any of the other terminals so they have some say in running of the terminals, a la MIA flights out of T3?

There is a possibility of that, but at present officially everything moves to T5. It largely depends on how ongoing discussions with BAA work out.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 10:57 pm

If the move is scheduled to take place on a Sunday, then they might curtail the shorthaul flying programme a bit more than normal for a weekend, but wouldn't have thought BA would touch the longhauls.

Isn't the current plan that shorthaul will largely use the main terminal building, while longhaul will be on the first satellite? Sounds like there could still be remote parking required for morning arrivals at T5. Shorthaul might not be too bad if BA can move to reduce turnaround times further, as has been suggested is the aim from a couple of threads on here.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Mon May 23, 2005 11:08 pm

Won't QF be using T5 gates for their A380s?
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 12:36 am

So where will QF go?

Will the airlines currently at T4 stay there?

What's the plans for T4?

Will BA's franchise partners, Bmed... go to T5?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 12:48 am

I thought one of the main ideas behind T5 was to accommodate the A380?
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 12:56 am

When the new Munich Franz Josef Strauss Airport opened, and an entire AIRPORT was moved, I recall that they just did it all at once overnight, with no stepped changes. I would have thought that if you are going to go through all that pain, it would make sense to do so only once!
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 1:17 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 15):
an entire AIRPORT was moved, I recall that they just did it all at once overnight, with no stepped changes.

It was the same in DEN, I believe.

Re QF not moving to T5, isn't that going to play merry hell with the JSA service, with half the QF/BA codeshare flights going out from different terminals depending on who's operating what ? The joy of operating all the flights out of T4 is the ability to transfer late arriving connecting passengers onto a QF service leaving half an hour later - that won't be so possible if the poor pax has to take two tubes and a bus to get across the airport to where his new flight goes from.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting BA380 (Reply 15):
When the new Munich Franz Josef Strauss Airport opened, and an entire AIRPORT was moved, I recall that they just did it all at once overnight, with no stepped changes. I would have thought that if you are going to go through all that pain, it would make sense to do so only once!

same thing happened when they moved from Kai Tak to Chek Lap Kok...saw it on the History Channel..pretty amazing..they moved the whole thing during the middle of the night!
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:02 am

At the end of the day by the time T5 opens BA and IB will pretty much be operating the routes from LHR to Spain on very similar lines to the BA/QF JSA, so you can logically argue that IB should be alongside BA in T5 as well. Be interesting to see how it all plays out, as several rumblings on here that some BA operations may not move to T5 (Not many), but where would they go, and would it be alongside all the other OneWorld carriers?

I'd expect GB Airways and BMed to relocate to T5 with BA, as they are to intents and purposes BA flights.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 7:52 am

Quoting B742 (Reply 13):
So where will QF go?

Arrangements for QF and other Oneworld carriers are part of the on-going discussions with BAA. Nothing concrete has been finalised, but ideas have been discussed....no details on exactly what has been proposed.

Quoting FlyCaledonian (Reply 18):
Be interesting to see how it all plays out, as several rumblings on here that some BA operations may not move to T5 (Not many), but where would they go, and would it be alongside all the other OneWorld carriers?

Officially all BA operations will be moving to T5. If that will change is still an unknown at this point, but as staff have been informed, that decision will be partly based on the outcome of the discussions with BAA regarding other OneWorld carriers.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 9:20 am

Moving from one terminal to another in the same airport is a large undertaking but not too uncommon. Moving from one airport to another is even larger, once in a liftime event.
JL & NH just did that with the new NGO. NH moved from T1 to T2 at HND last December. CX did it with new HKG. All went without too much distruption to flight ops.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 3:28 pm

Please forgive my ignorance, but why exactly does BA get T5? Do they share development and construction costs with BAA, etc? Or is it simply a case of bias?

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 4:19 pm

BA needs T5 because at present operations are spread over 3 terminals and as a result, BA isn't operating as efficiently as possible. T5 will also make it easier for our connecting passengers.

T5 costs are done on basis of landing fees in addition to other finanacing for the project, so the costs are shared. It might seem as a bias towards BA, but BA is the largest carrier at LHR and needs the facilities. Further there is added benefit to all operators at LHR as T5 will allow carriers to move around and have more space available in the other terminals. In particular, space will be freed in T1 and 4 so airlines will be able to move there and allow more room in T3. All airlines therefore will benefit in some way from T5.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 7:30 pm

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 22):
T5 costs are done on basis of landing fees in addition to other finanacing for the project, so the costs are shared

Thanks Speedbird, it seems fair if the costs are shared.

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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:18 pm

I think the first BA flights that will move to Terminal 5 will be the international flights, plus long-distance flights by their OneWorld partners (primarily AA, CX, and QF). The A380-compatible parking gates now under construction at Terminal 3 will primarily be used by EK and SQ.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:37 pm

To avoid confusion to passengers, an overnight switch would be simpler for departures. If the first long haul departures are to be on a Sunday morning, the arrival of the aircraft may have to be on Saturday or Friday or Thursday or maybe they just reposition from T1, T3 or T4 on Saturday night/Sunday morning.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 10:54 pm

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 24):
The A380-compatible parking gates now under construction at Terminal 3 will primarily be used by EK and SQ.

And VS who dominates T3.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Tue May 24, 2005 11:13 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 26):
Quoting RayChuang (Reply 24):
The A380-compatible parking gates now under construction at Terminal 3 will primarily be used by EK and SQ.

And VS who dominates T3.

Not to mention Malaysian, Qatar and Etihad A380s too.
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:10 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 24):
I think the first BA flights that will move to Terminal 5 will be the international flights, plus long-distance flights by their OneWorld partners (primarily AA, CX, and QF).

No, all flights move the same time.....everything will happen over night and starting 30 March 2008 we will be using T5 for domestic, european and international flights. No other OneWorld carriers, SIMPLY BA.

Quoting Richardw (Reply 25):
If the first long haul departures are to be on a Sunday morning, the arrival of the aircraft may have to be on Saturday or Friday or Thursday or maybe they just reposition from T1, T3 or T4 on Saturday night/Sunday morning.

Those aircraft that are already at LHR will simply be towed to T5 from wherever they are, same as we currently tow aircraft around LHR now. In addition, our first international service usually isn't until after 8am and many of the departures will again be on aircraft that arrive that morning, again same as presently done.
 
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Wed May 25, 2005 9:22 pm

Quoting Speedbird2155 (Reply 28):
all flights move the same time.....everything will happen over night

Well I wouldn't mind being in the tower on that night  wink  seeing all those BA aircraft moving about will look pretty cool!
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RE: Which BA Flights Will Move To T5 First?

Thu May 26, 2005 3:11 am

Do you think that other carriers will relocate between terminals at the same time, e.g. LH, SK, LO, OS relocating into T1 the same night as BA vacates? Or will BAA use the opportunity to carry out enhancements in T1 and T4 and then make the next round of moves at the start of the Winter 2008 timetable? Just seems that if everyone moves at once it could get very confusing!
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