PPVRA
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Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 1:23 pm

So, is there any chance we'll see RG/JJ flying to IAH/DFW sometime? I think a non-stop from GIG could work well (oil biz etc.)... I don't think JJ has enough aircraft, but RG could use some of their 763s on the route, unless they are cutting them completly out of the fleet. If not, what would be the next destination in North America for RG/JJ? Would be nice to see a new destination in the U.S. and/or Canada operated by a Brazilian carrier.

your thoughts?

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LipeGIG
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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 2:45 pm

Agree with you but only for GIG-IAH route. Everyone i ask about the CO flight IAH-GRU-GIG tolds me that more pax come to GIG than to GRU ( Seems that oil sector, ALL placed in Rio is the main responsible for the O&D IAH-GIG). I don't understand why CO does not cancel the stop in GRU on this flight.

Concerning to DFW, i think JJ in the future will be the only one to handle this flight as it's partnership with AA. RG cannot fly a GIG or GRU-DFW as O&D market is not so big (AA in fact uses its connections). But i think that before fly to DFW JJ will try to consolidate its MIA route, adding a GIG-MIA daily flight (which after the end of the seasonal AA980 open a lot of space at Rio's Market)

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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 2:52 pm

Quoting PPVRA (Thread starter):
So, is there any chance we'll see RG/JJ flying to IAH/DFW sometime? I think a non-stop from GIG could work well (oil biz etc.)... I don't think JJ has enough aircraft, but RG could use some of their 763s on the route, unless they are cutting them completly out of the fleet. If not, what would be the next destination in North America for RG/JJ? Would be nice to see a new destination in the U.S. and/or Canada operated by a Brazilian carrier.

your thoughts?

There really is not a market. CO and AA do well on their Texas-Brazil routes because of connections. There is a decent amount of Houston-Brazil O&D, noteably in the oil field, as you mentioned, but it isn't significant enough to support a non-stop. IAH-GIG on CO may work 3-4x weekly with the help of feed; JJ or RG could never pull it off IAH-GIG, nor any other service to Texas.
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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 3:27 pm

CO fly EWR-GRU with a 762 CO31 and IAH-GRU with a 764 CO93, but only send the 764 as CO93 on to GIG and back. The 762 waits in GRU for the return of the 764 CO92, then heads back to EWR as CO30. So that would imply that at least a 762s worth of pax get off in GRU daily (from both flights) and don't continue on to GIG. That also confirms that MOST pax continue on to GIG, or they would send the 762 on instead. Or maybe they just want to make sure they have the capacity not to restrict GIG sales, and don't worry if the 764 is half empty sometimes, since a 45 min flight each way on a 762 or a 764 won't make much difference in cost, especially if the 764 is half full and the 762 is completely full, right? The other one is just sitting there not earning anything...
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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 3:33 pm

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 3):
That also confirms that MOST pax continue on to GIG, or they would send the 762 on instead.

That does not imply anything such.

They send the 764 to GIG instead because it is cheaper to park the lighter 762 at GRU than the 764. GRU's aircraft parking fees are extraordinarly expensive. In addition, the 764's extra cargo capacity is welcomed. In reality, the daily 764 to GIG probably arrives less than half full on most days.
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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Wed May 25, 2005 4:32 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
In reality, the daily 764 to GIG probably arrives less than half full on most days.

Correct.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
. GRU's aircraft parking fees are extraordinarly expensive

Do you have more details? Are GRU landing fees also expensive?

Quoting PPVRA (Thread starter):
what would be the next destination in North America for RG/JJ? Would be nice to see a new destination in the U.S. and/or Canada operated by a Brazilian carrier

JJ: I would say that first JJ needs to consolidate its flight JFK-GRU which will start in October/05. Second, JJ needs to launch GIG-MIA daily and/or BSB-MAO-MIA daily. Only after JJ could think about DFW, but the flight would only work in full codeshare/partnership with AA.

RG: It first needs to take care of increasing competition on the NYC-GRU market. Second, it needs to turn LAX into daily (currently 4 x week), and consolidate the seasonal GIG-MIA into a daily and all-year service. A possible new destination could be IAD or ORD, which are UA hubs. RG does not fly to any of UA's major hubs: IAD, ORD or SFO.

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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Thu May 26, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 5):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
In reality, the daily 764 to GIG probably arrives less than half full on most days.

Correct

Disagree. I talk to some friends that works in Petrobras and Halliburton in Rio and they confirm to me that CO flight IAH-GRU-GIG arrive in Rio with more than 65% (and with the most C pax) on a daily basis. There are some pax from Newark that connects at GRU but mainly IAH pax heading to GIG.
Remember, Rio de Janeiro is the HQ for ALL oil corporations and even several other corporate in the drilling/extraction/naval machinery and ALL shipyards. Petrobras, Shell, Ipiranga, Texaco, Exxon/Esso, Halliburton, Amerada, Gulf, Total, ENI Agip, British Gas, El Paso and more than 300 (three hundred) American mid size business in Rio/Macae. Only Petrobras with their more than 50,000 highly paid professionals (more than 5,000 involved in Extract & Drilling) and it's research center (called CENPES and located in Rio too) with more 2,000 top paid employees in Research (Petrobras is the world's leader in high-deeply water drilling technologies) creates significant demand but the others keeps the demand strong.

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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Thu May 26, 2005 2:24 pm

I have flown IAH-GRU-GIG twice in bizfirst. Both flights were pretty full in the back and 100% full up front. To be fair, one flight was a week before Carnival.
After spending some time in Rio, I took JJ down to Floripa. A beautiful city and a great airline (JJ).

Additionally, many years ago, Varig service to IAH was announced in the Houston Chronicle but it never materialized. Does anyone else remember this?
 
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RE: Any Chance Of RG/JJ Flying To IAH/DFW?

Thu May 26, 2005 3:16 pm

Quoting COfaninBOS (Reply 7):
Additionally, many years ago, Varig service to IAH was announced in the Houston Chronicle but it never materialized. Does anyone else remember this?

Yep, you beat me to it. Actually, I believe that the report was in the now defunct Post.

This is one of the many reasons why I tend to take a cynical tone when I hear of a "pending" service to IAH. I recall reading in both newspapers over the years that carriers such as the now gone Swissair as well as Saudia, Ecuatoriana and at least another 3 or 4 carriers that escape my memory at the moment, that were only months away from beginning service to IAH. These carriers have yet to make their presence known despite what the 'Barnicle' and Post reported.

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