jacobin777
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Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 1:27 pm

They have been mentioning all along that the 747ADV might be a "go"...I wonder if any pax versions are going to be built..

can't wait for it...  biggrin 

"NEW YORK (Reuters) - Boeing Co. is optimistic that it will get enough orders for its aging 767 and 747 jets to continue production past this year, the chief executive of its commercial aircraft unit said on Tuesday.

"We're very pleasantly surprised," Alan Mulally said when asked at a company conference for analysts and investors about ongoing demand for the two aircraft which are both expected to be replaced by newer models in coming years. "

"Thanks in part for demand for cargo versions of the jumbo jet, it now looks more likely that will happen, Mulally said.

"It's not over yet for the 747," he added. "

full article at:

http://in.news.yahoo.com/050524/137/5yo1d.html
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iwok
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 1:33 pm

Regarding the 767, there probably is some near term interest for short haul operations in need to higher capacity.

As for the 747adv, I think that most of them will be freighters given that there is a nice market for those who need the nose door and the 15% gain in cargo capacity vs. the 777LRF.

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jacobin777
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Producti

Wed May 25, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 1):

As for the 747adv, I think that most of them will be freighters given that there is a nice market for those who need the nose door and the 15% gain in cargo capacity vs. the 777LRF.

true, but it would be nice to see some pax versions too.......I wonder if any carriers will sign on..

I think maybe CX would get some....possibly BA...but that would be a looooong way off

I see BA going for more of the 777's ..then maybe the 747ADV's...given the large increase in pax count with the A380, I think BA would look at adding the A380 last...in fact, I see them going for some 787's or 350's before adding the A380 to their fleet...
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soaringadi
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 2:56 pm

As far as the being optimistic part is there.... I'm always with these awesome beuties of the sky
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ikramerica
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 3:12 pm

The 764ER is performing well for airlines and likely would be a good stopgap plane for those interested in 789s (similar size though the 789 would have better range) and have 76x models currently. I think the 762/3 are pretty much dead though (A321/739(x)/near new 757s fill that need), with maybe a few 763ERs still needed for certain customers who have them and are looking for the 788.

The 744ERF combined with the 744 SF conversion and the 777F to come (and future 747Adv) keeps the 747 a viable product for the growing freight market.

but Boeing might also be self promoting to encourage people to not think about them as 'dead' products so soon before their replacements arrive...
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scotron11
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Producti

Wed May 25, 2005 3:57 pm

My feeling is they will look long and hard at the 767/747 and decide to shut down the 767 line. The only viable reason for keeping 767 line open was the USAF tanker deal. They will keep the 747 line open for the freighter program.

Sadly, I also feel the 747ADV will not happen as most orders, even from large 747 operators, have been for twins, like the T7 and 787. And, let us not forget, where Boeing said the future lies.

Even Eddington at BA said the 777ER is a good replacement for the 744, so unless there is a mass clamor of airlines knocking down their door for the 747ADV, it looks likely they will let it fade away.

They now have 6 versions of the T7 in just over 10 years, while the 744 has only a couple. While I would love to see the 747 go on and on, I guess it won't happen.
 
ikramerica
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 4:00 pm

Well the 767 Tanker program is not dead. While they must write off bidding costs, the program is up for rebid, the tankers are being delivered to OTHER air forces around the globe, thus proving performance, and they still have a good shot at getting the order eventually. The longer they can keep the 767 facility going, the better for Boeing, unlike the 717/757.
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keesje
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RE: Boeing Optimistic On Keeping 747, 767 Production

Wed May 25, 2005 6:16 pm

In reality if you need a 767 or 747 for the next 5-6 years, you buy / lease a used but well maintained UA/AC/KLM/VS/AA one

Give it a frsh cabin & paint job, all for the fraction of the cost of a new buy..


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What else can Boeing say then that they see a potential for the 767 & 747-400 in the next few years?
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