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Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 2:21 am

(edited) I should state, SALE is interested in the 739X as it says here:

Interesting portion: As quoted, "The 737-800 is the baseline model SALE has specified. However, the agreement provides for conversions to the 737-700 or the proposed higher-capacity 737-900X. The Next-Generation 737 family is powered by CFM56-7B turbofans from CFM International." -Boeing

Here is the complete story:

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2005/q2/nr_050525g.html

[Edited 2005-05-25 19:22:58]
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 2:27 am

Ok so who are the ones actively pursuing the 737-900X

SALE
JAL

who else?
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 2:44 am

As long as the proposed 739X has the payload/range capabilities that have been discussed, expect Alaska Airlines to be VERY interested in it.
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 2:48 am

Quoting EA CO AS (Reply 2):
As long as the proposed 739X has the payload/range capabilities that have been discussed, expect Alaska Airlines to be VERY interested in it.

I would expect JL to be too!

I would like to see MH get the 900X too!

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Ok so who are the ones actively pursuing the 737-900X

who else?

There are many customers interested in the 739X, but there hasn't been enough demand to push the project to critical mass. Virgin Blue was interested in 2003, as was numerous others. Since the 739X has been mentioned in the most frequent 737NG order options, I think it's likely to be launched soon, perhaps before years end.



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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 3:41 am

The thing I really want to know is why Boeing didn't do all this at the beginning? They should have made the base-line model a 900X. Didn't they think the 321 was a threat?

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 3:50 am

I think because they then had 757.

The 737-900X sounds great to me anyways Big grin
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 3:58 am

Quoting Trent900 (Reply 5):
The thing I really want to know is why Boeing didn't do all this at the beginning? They should have made the base-line model a 900X.

To some extent the 752, but OTOH the 739 was perfectly suitable for what early customers wanted capability and expense wise. Unless your flying long-range and LCC configuration, the 739 is a fine airplane.

Quoting Trent900 (Reply 5):
Didn't they think the 321 was a threat?

The A321 hasn't been that much of a runaway seller by any measure. Approx. 450 sales since 1990 is marginal at best, so the "threat" is minimal considering the 738 is already 1-2 rows longer than the A320 in LCC configuration.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 4:01 am

Would this 900x replace the 757 ? If so how does it compare? I have heard alot of good things about the 757 and its advantages over the A321 such as range and take off performance. Would this 900X retain those advantages of the 757 plus offering more?
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 4:04 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 1):
Ok so who are the ones actively pursuing the 737-900X

SALE
JAL

From memory, those companies that have been publically linked to 737-900X campaigns are:

JAL
SALE
Malaysia
Qantas
Virgin Blue
TUI group

More are probably following it's development, but those are the only ones I can remember.

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 4):
I think it's likely to be launched soon, perhaps before years end

A go/no-go decision on the 747Adv isn't expected before July, and the 777 Freighter was just launched. IMO, the -900X will get launched at Paris, assuming the orders are there.

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 4:47 am

With ANA replacing all their A32X series a/c with 737NG, wouldn't they also take a look at the 739X, especially if JAL is looking at it?
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 4:51 am

JAL
SALE
Malaysia
Qantas
Virgin Blue
TUI group


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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 4:55 am

What about Lions Air

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:01 am

I imagine CO would be interested as well, wouldn't they? They have a number of orders on the books they could convert over if needed. This gives them more opportunity to move their 752's into international long-thin routes, and gives them domestic capacity to replace them 1:1 instead of having to resort to multiple 738 and 73G flights. Just an idea
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:04 am

What about Garuda Indonesia?
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting Lemurs (Reply 13):
I imagine CO would be interested as well, wouldn't they? They have a number of orders on the books they could convert over if needed.

CO already has a number of 739s in the fleet. As DfwRevolution said:

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 7):
the 739 was perfectly suitable for what early customers wanted capability and expense wise. Unless your flying long-range and LCC configuration, the 739 is a fine airplane.

The main advantage of the 739x over the regular 739 is because of the extra emergency exit, you can fit more rows of seats in the aircraft. However, only airlines flying all coach configurations (charter, LCCs), need this capability. The extra range is nice, but I believe that CO's 739s can fly most, if not all of their 737 missions.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:14 am

"The extra range is nice, but I believe that CO's 739s can fly most, if not all of their 737 missions.

I don't think CO can regularly schedule them (739s) on coast to coast flights, can they (range w/ load)?
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:24 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 16):
I don't think CO can regularly schedule them (739s) on coast to coast flights, can they (range w/ load)?

That was exactly my point. As it is now, EWR to anywhere on the west coast is operated by 738's for the most part. I can't imagine there aren't places where they'd like to have some more cargo and passenger capacity on those same routes. Though who knows, maybe they see their growth as maxed out to the west...I doubt it though.
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:25 am

In my opinion GOL may well use some of their oustanding options for the 900X

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:30 am

Okay. But, Alaska flies the 739 SEA-MCO. . .so what gives. . .
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:32 am

How can they get 385 more miles of range with the same fuel capacity?
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:48 am

Quoting HR001 (Reply 20):
How can they get 385 more miles of range with the same fuel capacity?

I'd assume winglets. No 739 customer has opted for winglets, but they would be standard on the 739X.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting HR001 (Reply 20):
How can they get 385 more miles of range with the same fuel capacity?

Winglets?
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 6:40 am

739 winglets are being considered as an option at CO. They are already being included in drawings to evaluate gate width.

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:09 am

So is this a new order for Boeing? or was this a already recorded in the books and just now finalized?
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:10 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 19):
Okay. But, Alaska flies the 739 SEA-MCO. . .so what gives. . .

That's true. But that's one of the few transcon -900 routes I'm aware of. Know of others? I imagine that there must be some weight restrictions on that route. That's right at the ragged edge of range for the -900 from what I can tell. The extra range and cargo capacity the -900X is promising must be somewhat attractive for those transcon routes. (Assuming the numbers are for real.)
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 24):
So is this a new order for Boeing? or was this a already recorded in the books and just now finalized?

This was a previously announced order which is now finalised. It should appear on the Boeing order list today or tomorrow.

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:26 am

Doesn't CO fly 738s and 9s on insanely long routes, IAD - ANC for example?
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting HR001 (Reply 20):
How can they get 385 more miles of range with the same fuel capacity?

It is not with the same fuel capacity. It is with two extra, optional 520 gallon wing tanks in a modified and strengthened wing. In total 7915 gal. instead of 6875 gal.

BTW, it will be interesting to see how they will power the 900X.

The 321 uses 30 to 33klbs versions on the CFM56-5B with 68.3 inch fan.

Without lengthened landing gear the 900X will (as all other 737NG versions) need the considerably smaller CFM56-7B with only 61 inch fan. That's a 25.3% smaller intake area! The most powerful 7B version available is the 27klbs CFM56-7B-27 which is already used on the 900-not-X. The 900X is 10,000 lbs heavier than the 900.

It will be hard to press the "small" 7B-27 even further without running into prohibitive noise and NOx emission problems.

Maybe they will just count on longer runways and avoid hot and high conditions when loaded to the max.
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:49 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 28):
Maybe they will just count on longer runways and avoid hot and high conditions when loaded to the max.

I sincerely hope they don't do that... They would really be half-assing it.

Boeing needs to either make the plane sit higher, or pull an ace out of their sleeve with regard to new engine technologies.

They would be foolish to leave it as is and try to sell an underpowered plane that you can only use on certain routes when the temperature is in a certain range, and the winds are blowing right.

I would imagine that they've already thought about this. If they haven't, they've got bigger problems than an underpowered plane.  duck 
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 7:53 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 19):
Okay. But, Alaska flies the 739 SEA-MCO. . .so what gives. . .

Alaska also flies the 739 SEA-MIA which is a bit longer.

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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 8:05 am

Quoting DIA (Reply 19):
Okay. But, Alaska flies the 739 SEA-MCO. . .so what gives. . .



Quoting Lemurs (Reply 25):
That's true. But that's one of the few transcon -900 routes I'm aware of. Know of others? I imagine that there must be some weight restrictions on that route. That's right at the ragged edge of range for the -900 from what I can tell. The extra range and cargo capacity the -900X is promising must be somewhat attractive for those transcon routes. (Assuming the numbers are for real.)



Quoting MD80Nut (Reply 30):
Alaska also flies the 739 SEA-MIA which is a bit longer.

Cheers, Ralph

No one has noted of yet that they also go out weight restricted on the return trip FL-SEA by a couple thousand pounds. They are able to fly full from SEA because they are flying with the wind, going back has been a problem for them since day 1. They definately take full advantage of a rule 120.20 on days when they are either at, or near capacity.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 8:23 am

AirTran has the option of converting any part of their 737NG orders into the -800 or -900 so maybe AirTran would be interested in taking about 12 or so -900X for long haul future plans.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 9:12 am

Easy fix for this problem..bring back the 757!!!

A classy airplane with a magnificent wing and great looks. Also enough range and huge cargo capacity..no need to worry about hot and high or weight...Id love to see a comparison seat/mile with the 752 and the 739x, bet on the long run the 752 is a better plane...
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 10:51 am

Quoting Theredbaron (Reply 33):
Id love to see a comparison seat/mile with the 752 and the 739x, bet on the long run the 752 is a better plane...

Probably wouldn't be too favorable for the 752... the 739X would be 30,000 lbs lighter than the 752, so on a typical 1,000-2,000 nm trip with nearly identical capacity, the 739X would have a commanding advantage. It wouldn't be until really long 3,000-3,500 nm sectors (like what CO does) would the 752 have an edge for sheer performance reasons.

Quoting Swaluvfa (Reply 32):
AirTran has the option of converting any part of their 737NG orders into the -800 or -900 so maybe AirTran would be interested in taking about 12 or so -900X for long haul future plans.

As does WN, it's worth noting...  Smile
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 5:54 pm

Definatly worth noting! The article mentions Southwest as a potential 739X customer.
 
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 8:43 pm

Quoting a post from above... I could definetly see GOL converting some of their options for 739X! It would be perfect for them, considering their have been talks about possibly expanding to Miami etc... This aircraft could provide the extra room to compete with the majors... etc. what do you guys think?
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RE: Finalized Deal For 20 737NG (Includes 737-900X)

Thu May 26, 2005 10:44 pm

Quoting Zoom1018 (Reply 6):
I think because they then had 757.

Plus they got $21 Million more for each 757 than the 737. And the 737 was not originally thought about as a High and Hot design, whereas the 757 was intended for that purpose.


I would hope they put the larger engines on this aircraft and overcome the weight issue.
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