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Westjet Legroom?

Thu May 26, 2005 12:09 pm

I heard a commercial for Westjet yesterday in which a passenger thought he had got first class seat due to the huge legroom...he was "informed" that Westjet only has one class and all their seats have that much legroom...

Is this a case of puffery, or do they actually have more legroom than AC (32")?
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accargo
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Thu May 26, 2005 12:23 pm

From their website:

737-200---30in seat pitch
737-700---32in seat pitch
737-800---34in seat pitch

http://c1dsp.westjet.com/guest/about/fleetTemplate.jsp
 
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Thu May 26, 2005 12:43 pm

Typical Westjet. Just like advertising that they are Canada's low fare airline, yeah right!  Yeah sure
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 2):
Typical Westjet. Just like advertising that they are Canada's low fare airline, yeah right!

Prior to WestJet's arrival in the Canadian market, CP and AC both actively gouged the hell out of the Canadian traveller... it was with WJ that fares began to drop and more people could actually afford to travel by air...

WestJet has just matured from a simple low-fare provider to Canada's alternative airline... the fares are still low... the amenities are simply much better...

Or are you one of those people who believes airlines should fly passengers for next to nothing regardless of whether or not the carrier makes any money?
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 3):
Or are you one of those people who believes airlines should fly passengers for next to nothing regardless of whether or not the carrier makes any money?

If so, you should book with JetsGo.

I agree with A332:

West Jet used to have an amusing recording that played while you were on hold for an agent (although that RARELY happened, unlike some other large airlines where I have been on hold for up to 45 minutes!), along the lines of "If you can't remember what travel was like before Westjet, just check out our competitor's fares to a destination that we don't fly to..."
I did, and it was too true: at the time, for example, the best fare YYZ- Quebec City (AC the only option at the time) was double the price of the best fare YYZ - Halifax (competition from West Jet and Can Jet), which is of course a much longer flight.
 
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 3):
Prior to WestJet's arrival in the Canadian market, CP and AC both actively gouged the hell out of the Canadian traveller... it was with WJ that fares began to drop and more people could actually afford to travel by air...

Why is it that AC and CP had tickets for $50 oneway YLW-YVR/YYC years before WS? Why is it AC and CP had return tickets YVR-YYZ for $300, years before WS?

Sure, AC and CP have always had competition from Wardair, Canada3000 and others. But at least they never called themselves "Canada's Low Fares" airline. If WS wants to call themselves that, they had better start offering a few tickets below the competitions fares.

Quoting A332 (Reply 3):
Or are you one of those people who believes airlines should fly passengers for next to nothing regardless of whether or not the carrier makes any money?

LLC's in Europe seem to be doing pretty good. I'm sure WS could manage to sell a couple of seats for a very low price.

Just a side note, when WS came into the YLW market in 1996 they MATCHED AC's lowest fare at the time.

[Edited 2005-05-26 17:24:51]
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 12:50 am

If AC would move ahead on the IFE plan the Westjet ad in question wouldn't hold water... but ACs IFE is looking like it is delayed since there has been no movement on it or mention of it for months.
 
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 2:18 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
Why is it that AC and CP had tickets for $50 oneway YLW-YVR/YYC years before WS? Why is it AC and CP had return tickets YVR-YYZ for $300, years before WS?

Years ago fuel and taxes cost a lot less..
 
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 4:27 am

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
Why is it that AC and CP had tickets for $50 oneway YLW-YVR/YYC years before WS? Why is it AC and CP had return tickets YVR-YYZ for $300, years before WS?

A sporadic seat sale here and there isn't the name of the game in the low-cost world... it's about consistency.. and WJ introduced the nation to consistent low-cost travel...

Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 4):
"If you can't remember what travel was like before Westjet, just check out our competitor's fares to a destination that we don't fly to..."

Exactly... I remember when you'd need a 2nd mortgage to take the family on a trip from YVR-YYZ on CP or AC... this was only a decade ago...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
Sure, AC and CP have always had competition from Wardair, Canada3000 and others. But at least they never called themselves "Canada's Low Fares" airline.

AC and CP were never low-cost carriers... so why would they call themselves low-cost?

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
If WS wants to call themselves that, they had better start offering a few tickets below the competitions fares.

WestJet has spent the last 9 years providing Canadian travellers with low fares... why do you think the airline has been so successful? For the record, if no low-cost carrier was operating in this country, AC would be raping and pillaging the public as they did before... you should be happy AC keeps their prices in line with the low-cost carriers (not like they have an alternative).

Of course your response indicates that you are indeed one of those people who would rather have an airline bleed cash, just as long as it means cheap air fare for everyone.... as I've said before, not everyone can afford to drive a car, and not everyone can afford to fly...

Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 5):
LLC's in Europe seem to be doing pretty good. I'm sure WS could manage to sell a couple of seats for a very low price.

WestJet sells cheap seats on all it's flights each and every day... once those are gone you pay more for your seat... sorry, but that's just how it works.

It sounds to me like you're just anti-WestJet...  sarcastic 
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 6:06 am

Back to the topic....
I saw the ad for the first time yesterday. I have to admit, well done on behalf of WestJet.
But, I find it slightly midleading. Stating that you have first class (or lots of legroom) when your seat pitch is 32-34" is not fair. That's just false advertisement. AC and most airlines have the same seat pitch range in economy class. And what's the big deal with leather seats anyways??
Their only good point is the Live TV. Yesterday I flew YVR-YUL, and time passed quickly while I watched the news, simpsons, A&E, etc...

As far as prices are concerned, I think AC does a hell of a job competing with WS in the domestic and US market. Tango fares are almost always equal to the lowest WS fare.

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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 6:21 am

Well.. it's a little different when aviation enthusiasts hear the same commercial an oblivious customer would hear... we are far more educated when it comes to items like seat pitch...

WestJet is simply marketing it's product to it's client base... WJ has strong brand loyalty and I am sure anyone who has flown in a cramped 732 would kill for a seat with ample legroom... while it may not be "first-class" to you... it's certainly a "first-class" feel to those who experience it.

Quoting YUL2010 (Reply 9):
As far as prices are concerned, I think AC does a hell of a job competing with WS in the domestic and US market. Tango fares are almost always equal to the lowest WS fare.

Air Canada has no choice but to match WestJet fares on routes served by both airlines... I'd say it's "a smart decision" vs "a hell of a job"
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 6:33 am

Quoting A332 (Reply 10):
Air Canada has no choice but to match WestJet fares on routes served by both airlines... I'd say it's "a smart decision" vs "a hell of a job"

eh... well, the reason I said that it's because (in my opinion...) AC can't afford to sell many tickets at Tango fares, just because its operations are far more expensive than WS's... but this is soon changing as AC is rapidly becoming so damn cheap with its employees and products.
So "hell of a job" because it's selling Tango fares and remaining "profitable"... well, more or less...
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 6:38 am

I say "smart decision" simply based on AC's previous record of selling seats below cost to edge out the competition... it's great to see AC avoiding such tactics and competing more fairly... good for them.  Smile
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RE: Westjet Legroom?

Fri May 27, 2005 1:38 pm

A332, WestJet has done its share of selling seats below cost, but no one ever mentions that.