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Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 5:44 am

This was on the Globe website May 2nd. I t was an article that talked about customized interiors for private jets.....

"The company's latest project is a customized version of the Airbus A380, the largest commercial aircraft in the world. Most airlines that have ordered the new plane are expected to configure the plane to carry about 500 passengers, but one Doret is working on is being fitted with three galleys, a master bedroom, master bathroom with a Jacuzzi and shower, two dining areas, and spiral staircases. The kicker: a fabricated desert oasis, complete with floor pillows, low tables and a mosaic of the Sahara on the walls.

Keith Reed can be reached at reed@globe.com.

© Copyright 2005 Globe Newspaper Company."

Wow! who ordered that A380? I had no idea someone had already ordered one as a PJ. How inconvenient would that be. Only the biggest airports can handle it too. Can anyone confirm if this is true?
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 5:47 am

A Sultan or King from the Middle East or Near East, no doubt.

Benefit is that when he flies somewhere, he has his own private hotel! Wonder if they can add a ramp and keep a bulletproof Maybach in the hold...
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting one article of the last Flight Int'l issue.

< Airbus Corporate Jetliner vice-president Richard Gaona says one sale of the A380VIP version is likely this year >

Who can it be ?

Saudi Arabia ? Oman ? Bahrein ? Qatar ? Jordan ?
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 7:41 am

Quoting Petazulu (Thread starter):
How inconvenient would that be. Only the biggest airports can handle it too.

Not as big a problem for a private jet, which is unlikely to need the facilities of the terminal. An A380VIP would likely park at a remote stand. It will still be a problem for those airports with dimensional restrictions, however, but I guess the A380VIP isn't probably to have much reason to be at those sort of airports anyway.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 7:48 am

The plane is for the Sultan of Brunei, he now owns a 744 and will go for the A380.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 7:56 am

Quoting Flyfirst (Reply 4):
The plane is for the Sultan of Brunei, he now owns a 744 and will go for the A380.

Well I can understand that, a 747 can be a bit cramped.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:15 am

Not everybody travel as lightweight as we used to do. In 1997 one president visited the Danish Queen and government for about 20 hours and produced a 15 minutes speech on a square downtown Copenhagen city.

He arrived on two Boeing C-25A and three Lockheed C-5 Galaxy.

He was back here a few days ago, but then he wasn't president any longer, and he traveled on a commercial plane.

His successor as president will visit Copenhagen on 6th July this year, and he will bring his wife along. Wonder if that will make it four C-25's and six C-5's?

At least I can answer the C-25 question because so many C-25's do not exist on this planet.

Instead of four C-25's their successors might travel on only three A380's instead. Why not? But the six C-5's cannot be replaced that easily because the A380F does not provide the nose cargo door.
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:21 am

Quoting Petazulu (Thread starter):
Wow! who ordered that A380? I had no idea someone had already ordered one as a PJ. How inconvenient would that be. Only the biggest airports can handle it too. Can anyone confirm if this is true?

Perhaps a bombay door opens and out drops his GV with specially made folding wings to land at the smaller airports!  Wink
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:23 am

Ok, I can understand aircraft size as a very visible DSW among people with gobs of money, but isn't the A380 a touch large, as in-thinking about practicality for just one moment-a bit difficult to bring to some airports?

If it were my money, I'd rather have a 744 and a 737 for versatility with (I imagine) a little room to spare money wise... Then again I beleive most of these people already have their mini-fleet

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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:24 am

If I'm honest I'd say if I had his money I'd buy one. You know what they say, "if you've got, flaunt it" he's got it and boy he sure is flaunting.

I wonder how much it costs?
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 8:30 am

 
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Fri May 27, 2005 8:33 am

£125 million.

But since it normally comes with 555 seats he can probably sell the 554 seats on ebay.
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:45 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 12):
�125 million.

But since it normally comes with 555 seats he can probably sell the 554 seats on ebay.

LOL. Or just post the sale here...  Wink
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting Prebennorholm (Reply 7):
Instead of four C-25's their successors might travel on only three A380's instead. Why not? But the six C-5's cannot be replaced that easily because the A380F does not provide the nose cargo door.

The C-5 carry the vehicles needed for protection! There's a need for multiple identical armored vehicles so that the would be killer wouldn't know at which car to shoot. Big deal the country can afford it. If you consider that after the invasion of Kuwait the US flew one tank at a time in a C-5 from the US to Saudi Arabia. They had to be refuel multiple times and had to to stop everywhere on the way including the UK + Germany + Italy + etc
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:56 am

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
The C-5 carry the vehicles needed for protection! There's a need for multiple identical armored vehicles so that the would be killer wouldn't know at which car to shoot. Big deal the country can afford it. If you consider that after the invasion of Kuwait the US flew one tank at a time in a C-5 from the US to Saudi Arabia. They had to be refuel multiple times and had to to stop everywhere on the way including the UK + Germany + Italy + etc

Relax, he was making a joke. Besides, presidents and prime ministers of many other countries seem to be able to travel with smaller armadas.
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 9:17 am

To be honest I think a private 380 is a needless waste. Really, what the hell does that Sultan guy need it for. I remember seeing an article around 1999 that stated his private fleet was no less than four A340s (inc the worlds only A340-9000), a 744, a 747SP, an A310 and a 767. Thats just ridiculous! Think of all the lives in the 3rd world that that money could save. What will he get next? TU-144 maybe....

[Edited 2005-05-27 02:20:52]
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 9:19 am

I can see Microsoft doing something with it. Maybe somekind of portable "museum" or something they can fly all over and show off how computer chips are made or something like that.
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 9:21 am

AW&ST mentioned this in the latest issue, and said demand for VIP/executive A380's is estimated between 10-15 aircraft total, and that Lufthansa Technik has been selected to work on the A380 VIP project... also showed a floor plan for an A380 upper deck in VIP configuration...I can't scan it, but I'll describe it as best as I can from front to back

-Stairs
-Couch and coffee table on starboard side
-Semicircular Dining Booth on starboard side
-Bar on port side
-Galley on starboard side
-Stateroom on port side w/bed, private lav, and two chairs and a table
-Stateroom on starboard side w/bed, private lav, and two chairs and a table
-Meeting area w/ couch, conference table and two chairs
-Master Stateroom, full width of the aircraft, bed and couch
-Exercise Room on port side with stationary bike, treadmill, and one other piece of equipment I can't quite make out
-Lastly, all the way aft, a seating section of 37 seats in a mostly 2-4-2 config, 2 lavs, and spiral stairs...
-There's also one other room in there, about 1/4 of the way forward from the back, starboard side my guess is that its some sort of crew rest, but I can't quite make out the objects pictured...
-Connecting the rooms in the first half of the deck is a wavy shaped hallway...
Remember, this is the upper deck only!...can't imagine what a lower-and-upper deck combined VIP A380 would be like...

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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 9:24 am

What not make her a tri-decker? Could it be done?
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 10:24 am

Always have to have the biggest and the best I guess, it's a dangerous disease
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 10:39 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
(inc the worlds only A340-9000)

Any details on this plane?
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 11:09 am

Meanwhile, a billion people are ill-nourished, no health care, minimal or no regular shelter. If this is a toy for some middle eastern royal family member, then why don't they instead give the money to poor of the region, like those hurt by the Tusuami of 12/26/04, or maybe make a better life for some so they don't go bashing the Western world for their poverty.
Don't forget that the guy that got assinated in Lebanon earlier this year had the only private/vip 777.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 12:00 pm

Quoting B744F (Reply 20):
Always have to have the biggest and the best I guess, it's a dangerous disease

i believe some people have similar mentality. maybe not to the extreme of having a private a380s... i know quite a few people that must have the latest computers, cell phones, louis vuitton purse, largest suv, fastest sports cars, etc. in the end, i think when people spend money on luxury items, be it a purse, a grand holiday or an aeroplane, it's good for the economy in the end.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 22):
Meanwhile, a billion people are ill-nourished, no health care, minimal or no regular shelter. If this is a toy for some middle eastern royal family member, then why don't they instead give the money to poor of the region, like those hurt by the Tusuami of 12/26/04, or maybe make a better life for some so they don't go bashing the Western world for their poverty.

you have to realize that not only the middle eastern people are spending this kind of money to buy luxury goods. did you know that govenor arnold schwarzenegger owns a private b744? and how about john travolta owning a fleet of aeroplanes? jay leno with his exotic car collection. i just flew into lax the other day and saw teen age kids driving around in sl500... the list goes on and on... should we tell these people to do those noble things that you've mentioned above? if i'm not mistaken there are millions and millions of americans with no health insurance, no?

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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 12:09 pm

Quoting Singaporegirl (Reply 23):
did you know that govenor arnold schwarzenegger owns a private b744?

Ahnuld has a private 744? That is news to me. I thought he would be the kind of guy to fly a B-52
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 12:11 pm

Quoting NorCal (Reply 24):
Ahnuld has a private 744? That is news to me. I thought he would be the kind of guy to fly a B-52

yes, he bought one from singapore airlines a few years back.
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 12:13 pm

Brunei's now in the middle-east? I must have missed that geography lesson then...
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 12:23 pm

Ahnold does not own a "private" 744 in the wasteful way you describe. He, like a few other Hollywood types, owns a 747 as part of a private charter/lease venture. It is a business deal thing, and he has made quite a bit of money on this business, as I understand.

It is no different than a major airline owning some charter/lease jets.

His personal craft is "only" a Gulfstream. Not sure which one (at one point it was a GIII, but that was years ago).
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 3:56 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
To be honest I think a private 380 is a needless waste. Really, what the hell does that Sultan guy need it for. I remember seeing an article around 1999 that stated his private fleet was no less than four A340s (inc the worlds only A340-9000), a 744, a 747SP, an A310 and a 767. Thats just ridiculous! Think of all the lives in the 3rd world that that money could save. What will he get next? TU-144 maybe....

That's right.

One's for the Sultan himself
The second is for his women
The third is for the cars
And the fourth is the shopping bag.

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 18):
...can't imagine what a lower-and-upper deck combined VIP A380 would be like...

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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 8:04 pm

Sorry to go off-topic but just can't resist...

Sultan Haji Hassanal Bolkiah of Brunei Darussalam has more than one wife? I need proof please.
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 8:07 pm

Maybe it has a 747 in the hold to use to fly to smaller airports...  Silly
 
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Fri May 27, 2005 9:44 pm

Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
To be honest I think a private 380 is a needless waste. Really, what the hell does that Sultan guy need it for. I remember seeing an article around 1999 that stated his private fleet was no less than four A340s (inc the worlds only A340-9000), a 744, a 747SP, an A310 and a 767. Thats just ridiculous! Think of all the lives in the 3rd world that that money could save. What will he get next? TU-144 maybe...

What's the big deal? If he has the money, let him buy it. Let's not forget that he is creating jobs for quite a few people maintaining and building all this hardware. Why do people always have to bash the rich? Those same rich tend to provide the capital to invest, which creates jobs, consequently making life better for everyone. Contrary to popular belief, if you take money from the rich and give it to the poor you will not solve all the world's problems. Granted, it's more complex than that, but just tax the guy at the same rate as everyone else. Don't bash him for being rich.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 19):
What not make her a tri-decker? Could it be done?

Probably.

Quoting Cruiser (Reply 21):
Quoting EI321 (Reply 16):
(inc the worlds only A340-9000)

Any details on this plane?

Actually it's A340-8000. Here is the info from the database right here on A.nut:
The 275,000kg (606,275lb) max takeoff weight A340-8000 is based on the 200 but has extra fuel in three additional rear cargo hold tanks and offers a 15,000km (8100nm) range with 232 three class passengers (hence the A340-8000 designation). It too is powered by CFM56-5C4s.
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Fri May 27, 2005 11:33 pm

Quoting KL911 (Reply 30):
Maybe it has a 747 in the hold to use to fly to smaller airports... Silly

That gives new meaning to the term 'Aircraft Carrier'  Smile
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 11:34 pm

Flyfirst

State your source (s) , asking the first VIP A380 will be for the Sultan of Brunei.Thanks.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Fri May 27, 2005 11:40 pm

He was here in Chile for the APEC meeting and he told reporters that he will change the 744 for the A380. It was a huge thing here to have the Sultan arriving on his private 744.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 12:28 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 22):
Meanwhile, a billion people are ill-nourished, no health care, minimal or no regular shelter. If this is a toy for some middle eastern royal family member, then why don't they instead give the money to poor of the region, like those hurt by the Tusuami of 12/26/04, or maybe make a better life for some so they don't go bashing the Western world for their poverty.
Don't forget that the guy that got assinated in Lebanon earlier this year had the only private/vip 777.

whys it only bad when forign people can afford great things, looks like 90% of people that can afford these great things are forign.... looks like jealousy
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 12:42 am

What I read was that Airbus is playing with the idea of creating one should someone want one.

I think they are making these smoke and mirror comments just to maintain the interest in the product.
 
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting FCKC (Reply 2):
Who can it be ?

Saudi Arabia ? Oman ? Bahrein ? Qatar ? Jordan ?

What about the UAE?
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Sat May 28, 2005 2:59 am

There's also a private Antonov 124 flying in the Emirates. Some private jet!
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Sat May 28, 2005 3:22 am

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 22):
Meanwhile, a billion people are ill-nourished, no health care, minimal or no regular shelter. If this is a toy for some middle eastern royal family member, then why don't they instead give the money to poor of the region, like those hurt by the Tusuami of 12/26/04, or maybe make a better life for some so they don't go bashing the Western world for their poverty.

On a global scale, this is peanuts. How much money do North Americans and Europeans spend on dog food? How much do they spend on cosmetic surgery? Lottery tickets? Cigarettes? Pornography? I bet the totals for all that stuff, and a whole bunch of other things I can't think of right now, would buy a few A380VIPs. And it would eradicate poverty overnight in a lot of places. Bottom line, we all spend money on frivolous things; this guy just has a tad more to spend than the rest of us.
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 3:36 am

Quoting Flyfirst (Reply 6):
Plus you dont have space for the camels on the 744!!!!!

Camels in Brunei? You mean Orang Utans.  Confused

Quoting Arrow (Reply 39):
On a global scale, this is peanuts. How much money do North Americans and Europeans spend on dog food? How much do they spend on cosmetic surgery? Lottery tickets? Cigarettes? Pornography? I bet the totals for all that stuff, and a whole bunch of other things I can't think of right now, would buy a few A380VIPs. And it would eradicate poverty overnight in a lot of places. Bottom line, we all spend money on frivolous things; this guy just has a tad more to spend than the rest of us.

Yes, I fully agree. Or some nations waste billions for their defense budget.  scratchchin 

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Sat May 28, 2005 3:57 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 39):
On a global scale, this is peanuts. How much money do North Americans and Europeans spend on dog food? How much do they spend on cosmetic surgery? Lottery tickets? Cigarettes? Pornography? I bet the totals for all that stuff, and a whole bunch of other things I can't think of right now, would buy a few A380VIPs. And it would eradicate poverty overnight in a lot of places. Bottom line, we all spend money on frivolous things; this guy just has a tad more to spend than the rest of us.

Its not the actual amount of money that I care about, its the princepal of what he is (aparently) doing here. To look at your post:

Lottery tickets - the money goes to a good cause anyway (disabled/dissadvantaged people). At least thats how the Irish and British Lottos work, not sure about the rest.

Plastic surgery is in some cases nessessary, ie those people feel better with them selves and somtimes lead happier lives after.

Ciggarettes - an addiction that people are enticed into by other wealthy individuals.

Porn - you hava a point there.

Dog food - this is needed anyway.

Basically what I mean is what is the Sultan getting from having a fleet of planes? I have no problem with him having one jet (be it an A380 or not) but why does he need 8 or 9 big planes??

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 31):
What's the big deal? If he has the money, let him buy it. Let's not forget that he is creating jobs for quite a few people maintaining and building all this hardware. Why do people always have to bash the rich? Those same rich tend to provide the capital to invest, which creates jobs, consequently making life better for everyone. Contrary to popular belief, if you take money from the rich and give it to the poor you will not solve all the world's problems. Granted, it's more complex than that, but just tax the guy at the same rate as everyone else. Don't bash him for being rich.

I have no problem with a wealthy individual owning a big jet al all, 744 or whatever it may be. I am questioning the real benifit and need of him owning 9 very large jets when he can only/should only use on at a time. I can see why, for example, the US president needs to travel with half a dozen big planes. they are needed to carry security, etc, so I dont consider that a waste of money. And how many jobs will be created by the Sultan buying a single plane from airbus? Very few I think. But if he was to give that 300million or whatever the thing would cost to, for example, Charities helping victims of the tsunami disaster or to fund the quest for an AIDS vaccine, what could be achieved?

I just dont think If I was him (the sultan) I could look at pictures of starving kids on TV and then get on the phone to Airbus and say ''does that A380 come in gold? It does, then i'll take one of each''

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Sat May 28, 2005 4:15 am

Chancellor Gordon Brown was recently reported as considering new aircraft for the Queens Flight. So maybe its bye bye 146 hello A380!!! After all, with a British wing and Rolls Royce Engines it must be close on 50% British!!  smirk 

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Sat May 28, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):
I have no problem with him having one jet (be it an A380 or not) but why does he need 8 or 9 big planes??

That's not the point. He doesn't need them, he wants them, and he can afford them. I don't like conspicuous consumption either; the world would be a better place without it. All I'm doing is putting it into some context. For example, 90% of the North Americans who own SUVs don't need them, they want them. The irony is that the SUV "want" is what puts billions of petro-dollars into the hands of folks who then go out and buy an A380VIP. At least he could have had the decency to buy Boeing. Oh, wait, he already did.
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 4:33 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):
Its not the actual amount of money that I care about, its the princepal of what he is (aparently) doing here

Now you're foisting your view of morality on him.

Quoting EI321 (Reply 41):
I have no problem with a wealthy individual owning a big jet al all, 744 or whatever it may be. I am questioning the real benifit and need of him owning 9 very large jets when he can only/should only use on at a time.

Question away. But who should tell him it's a bad idea? He's free to do whatever he likes. If his country starts to regulate this sort of thing, he'll just move somewhere else. As soon as you have Robin Hood laws in place, things tend to get worse for everyone.

But I will agree it's a bit vulgar  Wink
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RE: Private A380?! Globe Article Describes

Sat May 28, 2005 5:31 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 31):
What's the big deal? If he has the money, let him buy it. Let's not forget that he is creating jobs for quite a few people maintaining and building all this hardware. Why do people always have to bash the rich? Those same rich tend to provide the capital to invest, which creates jobs, consequently making life better for everyone. Contrary to popular belief, if you take money from the rich and give it to the poor you will not solve all the world's problems. Granted, it's more complex than that, but just tax the guy at the same rate as everyone else. Don't bash him for being rich.

What you're describing is a fantasy. Trickle down economics does not work. And giving money to the poor will help better their lives and make more consumers in the world rather than give more to someone who has so much money to begin with. You don't tax people the same unless you want to run a country and the world into the ground either.
 
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Sat May 28, 2005 7:02 am

Quoting B744F (Reply 45):
Trickle down economics does not work.

Eh? Then why is it that that the USA, with relatively low taxes for the rich has the highest per capita income in the world. Sweden, with extremely high taxes for the rich, is full of bums getting handouts.

Quoting B744F (Reply 45):
And giving money to the poor will help better their lives and make more consumers in the world rather than give more to someone who has so much money to begin with.

No, it will make them into dependents of the state. In Sweden, many people live on handouts instead of getting a job because it's just as much money and less work.

Now that Sweden is very poor countries but the fact remains. But I still say: Give them jobs. Not: give them money. If you make them dependent, the poor get less independence and in the end less money.

Quoting B744F (Reply 45):
You don't tax people the same unless you want to run a country and the world into the ground either.

That's in many ways a philosophical question. So I ask you, why should the person who has worked hard to make a lot of money be taxed more in proportion than the person who makes less? Is that really fair? Overtaxing the richest strata will simply ensure that they move their money elsewhere and don't invest in the local economy.

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Sat May 28, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 14):
The C-5 carry the vehicles needed for protection!

Probably more than that. I remember in 1972 when president Nixon came to the Azores to have a summit with the President Pompidou of France. He not only had his own vehicles flown in, but also his food and water.

The hillarious thing was that when AF1 (VC-137) landed, everybody was "OOH Cool", but when the Concorde 001 landed with Pompidou everybody went APESHIT and could care a less about Nixon's plane. This is the only reason the Sultan (or whoever) is buying the A380 - it's the "let's impress everyone" syndrome.

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Sat May 28, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting Aerofan (Reply 36):
What I read was that Airbus is playing with the idea of creating one should someone want one.

I think they are making these smoke and mirror comments just to maintain the interest in the product.

Nope you got it wrong. There's interest for ten vip a380. Lufthansa Technik will do the conversions.
 
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Sat May 28, 2005 7:46 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 46):

''No, it will make them into dependents of the state. In Sweden, many people live on handouts instead of getting a job because it's just as much money and less work.''


''No, it will make them into dependents of the state. In Sweden, many people live on handouts instead of getting a job because it's just as much money and less work.''



The agrument being made is for basic aid, not welfare payments. They are completly different. I am saying that the money would be better spent on fast relief where it is needed (Virus vaccines & Famine prevention). People in such a position are not able to accepy jobs because employment may noy even exist in the enviroment in which they live, ie immediatly after the tsunami (and other natural disasters which will happen again in the future) and the current AIDS epidemic in some African countries.

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Sat May 28, 2005 7:50 am

Quoting EI321 (Reply 49):
The agrument being made is for basic aid, not welfare payments. They are completly different. I am saying that the money would be better spent on fast relief where it is needed (Virus vaccines & Famine prevention). People in such a position are not able to accepy jobs because employment may noy even exist in the enviroment in which they live, ie immediatly after the tsunami (and other natural disasters which will happen again in the future) and the current AIDS epidemic in some African countries.

Agreed.

What amazes me is that many disasters such as famine and drought are eminently predictable (Tsunamis and such are of course not). So why not give the aid before people start dying. God forbid we use foresight...

Also, once the disaster is "over" there is little money for long term reconstruction. The countries aided often seem to be just set up for the next disaster.

Fact remains that this private 380 is a drop in the ocean in any case.
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