glidepath73
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How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 3:36 pm

Hi!

This treat is mainly for them which are working currently for Emirates. It seems, that Emirates is looking all over the world for new employees. I think it would really nice to work for them, since this is one of the top leading airlines in the whole world. Even the economy of Emriates looks not bad right now.

How is the "working-spirit" at Emirates? They give you really good benefits as well.
Do would recommend to try to get a job at Emirates? (Maybe F/A, or QC)

Your comments would be highly appreciated!

Regards,
Patrick
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ekgold
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 5:41 pm

Patrick

I know several of the Pilots (both Cpt and F/O) as well as cabin crew, administrators etc. EK is like all companies, you have good and bad days. However i have not yet met anyone that has vowed to quit their job tomorrow.. All live comfortably here in Dubai and EK offers a good benefit package, so my friends tell me.

Part of the enjoyment of working with Emirates would also be the opportunity to live in Dubai. Whilst not working in aviation or for EK, i have lived here for over 5 years and it is an exciting place to be.

Good Luck
 
JoKeR
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 6:03 pm

Patrick,

All that I can tell you is that we are lucky some of the EK staff I know, don't have access to Airliners.net... Big grin
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Sammyhostie
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 7:30 pm

Around 50 cabin crew leave EK every month, the work is very hard, long hours and very tight rostering. And yes your based in DXB but your hardly ever at home.

Flying with an airline and flying for an airline are 2 VERY different things.
 
ekgold
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 7:50 pm

Quoting Sammyhostie (Reply 3):
Around 50 cabin crew leave EK every month, the work is very hard, long hours and very tight rostering. And yes your based in DXB but your hardly ever at home.

Any organisation that employs 000's of people will have a turnover of staff. 50 crew per month is not huge compared to the 000's employed. How many staff do BA, QF etc lose per month? HOw many of those 50 per month leave because of dissatisfaction? i speak with a lot of EK crew due to the amount of travel i do. There is no mutiny happening and like most people, they take the good with the bad in their chosen occupation. Emphasis on the word chosen...
 
Sammyhostie
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 7:56 pm

Oh yes i know and agree completely. But what i meant to convey that just because its first class airline it dosent mean it is the same employer wise.

If you want to be cabin crew, you always have to be prepared to take the s**t unfortunately, which is the same in every airline, worldwide.
 
glidepath73
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 8:35 pm

Thanks so much for your posts guys!!!

And by the way:

VERY NICE WELCOME TO AIRLINERS.NET - EKGOLD!!!! I hope you enjoy your time here!!!!
Have fun!! (( Smile

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 8:58 pm

Good subject! I just applied online yesterday......... was wondering the same..

KL911
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 10:38 pm

Cabin crew want to think themselves lucky they are not stacking shelves in some 24 hour supermarket or working in the new sweatshops; call centres, for £5 an hour.

Cabin crew dont know their born!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 10:39 pm

Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 4):
How many staff do BA, QF etc lose per month?

Actually, we just had 3 leave last month (MEL based), and that was talked about quite a bit! So, compared to that, 50 is quite huge. I fly with a few ex-Emirates F/As, and have heard very mixed reports about what it is like to fly for them.
But believe me, 50 people per month leaving a job that pays US$1500 per month tax free (plus accommodations and benefits) really does say something.
 
glidepath73
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:24 pm

I think those fluctuations with employees is more or less normal for such a big airline.
Does anybody know how many F/A's are flying for EK?
Home many vacation days does EK offer?

One think's it's alright, the other one says great, the last one got pissed somehow. That is in every company the same....

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:36 pm

Some of my friends are cabin crew at EK. Work is very tough - tight scheduling like flying Singapore - Australia - NZ with 24-6 hr layovers - then back. I've know other airlines to get 2-4 days at some destinations - EK rarely has this.

Other difficult routings include many turnarounds to places like Moscow - India - Maldives - etc. You'd better not mind flights to Middeast and India and Pakistan Bangladesh as this is a big market as well as Africa and Europe.

Pay is higher - but work is also and like those above said - there are good and bad days - but most I know don't hate the airline -but don't love it either.
IT'S A BUSINESS - EK has to make money - so they work their staff hard.

EK is also selective and seem to look for a certain personality - of course smart is one of them.

Dubai isn't to me a great place - similar to Las Vegas without gambling and very superficial - most people working there are not there bc they love the place but bc the money is there. So home is generally where the heart is and therefore you get a sort of material environment. ALthough Dubai govt has done a great great job compared to the surrouding region in building this city as a hub. Dubai is simple - got lots of money - could be much more enjoyable - got less - and its a job.

Pilots get treated well with seperate cars or limos and housing. So I believe they are top notch.

FAs are well treated but of course share housing via apmts (3 per room) but work hard and similar to a dorm in college/univ.

As a pax, EK's inflight is the best and they seem to be efficient at routings - thus working the crews quite hard.

EK wants to make a profit - people seem to believe 'they have oil' and therefore make a profit due to this advantage -but from what I know - they pay like anyone else. EK is well managed - so i believe you will respect mgmt - maybe not like them.

LIke above - I have known those who are using EK as stepping stones and then moving on - but all seem to be satisfied with the job - but it is A JOB... not fun.

You'd better like living i hot desert climates or not be homesick = as Dubai isn't Europe or the US or even crowded Asia. It's a rising city in the Middeast and a stopover for millions of pax.

hope i helped
 
Sammyhostie
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:39 pm

Exactly. Cabin crew is a job, nothing else, same as everyone else.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Mon May 30, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 9):
But believe me, 50 people per month leaving a job that pays US$1500 per month tax free (plus accommodations and benefits) really does say something.

50 looks like a large number out of context. I cant locate the exact crew numbers for the moment to calculate a staff t/over ratio but you also have to recognise that Dubai and the middle east is historically a very transient place. Western people come here by the lure of tax free packages and generous lifestyles, spend a few years away from friends and family in a culture and environment that is far removed from what we are accustomed to and return to their former lives a couple of years later, usually with a fist full of tax free dollars. Ask how many of the 50 per month that leave are they dissatisfied only with Emirates, or are they leaving because of other personal reasons or have they done their time and want to return to a more normal way of life. Then ask how many are not better off for the experience, both financially and what they have achieved in their time in Dubai or the middle east.. I am not saying that EK does not get their pound of flesh out of their staff I am sure they do. As a total package is it as bad as working for any other long haul airline?
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:04 am

Hi Soundtrack,
I just want to correct your statement about (3 living in one room).
Actualy three cabin crew living in a 3 bedroom Apt. with each having his/her own bedroom and bathroom, offcourse sharing the rest of the appartement together which is not a college dorm at all. I've been to many of these appts in different buildings and in different locations around dubai and i'll tell you they are perfect living accomodation.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:10 am

Quoting Glidepath73 (Reply 10):
Home many vacation days does EK offer?

Annual Leave
42 days per year

Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 28,650 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.

Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 400

Regards CaptinTuT
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 18):
Why not? Whilst I appreciate that cabin crew are there primarily for safety what they actually do for most of their time is serve coffee. How difficult can this be?

Because it's incredibley difficult. Flying all over the world, never sleeping in your bed, dealing with hundreds of passengers every day who are cranky, tired and rude. Any customer service oriented job is difficult, let alone being stuck inside a confined area with them for hours on end. The amount of training that it takes to become an F/A is enourmous and to generalize thier responisibilities in one sentence "How difficult can it be to serve coffee?" completely undermines thier profession. Also, according to the FAs at my airline, the DBX route always has the most demanding (by far) passengers with the highest standards. So, no, serving coffee is not difficult, but there are many aspects of the profession that are very taxing.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:52 am

To my knowledge EK cabin crew don't have a union defending their interests
and EK doesn't have a collective labour agreement.
This results in very long and hard working hours and short time off when
at home base.
I wouldn't want to work for EK, I think I could keep it up for some years but
then I'd have to cope with some serious health issues like any normal human being.I'd be forced to quit or work halftime(if even possible at EK).
I am F/A at KLM and I seriously think this must be one of the best companies in the world to be working for as F/A.
We have nice destinations with some very nice layovers(e.g.:5days NYC,8daysJNB,8daysCPT,9daysBKK,7daysSIN,6daysGRU,NRT,KIX,14days KUL
etc.) pay is not bad(especially not if you become widebodypurser), and we have an awful lot of free time after each flight(somtimes 6,7,8 days).
We are very well treated, you'll never hear me complain about my job, I love it and couldn't imagine myself doing anything else at this point.
But even we feel physically completely exhausted frequently.

Trident2e, Imagine flying AMS-LAX,staying there 24hrs with a 9hour time
difference and flying back to AMS.Not as a passenger but working(serving coffee as you so respectfully say it) in a extremely dry environment with as much oxygen as in the highest skistations.
Also the fact that you live without any form of regular biological clock does weird things with your body after some time,this should also be considered.
I never felt more tired before in my life then after one of these flights,so
don't underestimate it.
This comment of you makes me sad in some way.It proves that most people think of it we don't have to do anything and it's just one big holiday.

So to get back to the topic, even in a company like KLM were FA still get a fantastic treatment and a lot of time off we get seriously worn out, I can only express a lot of respect for my colleages over at EK, who probably work double the time as I do.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:39 am

Like anything it has its positives and negatives but alot of it depends on your mindset. You have to think, and make it work for you. Some people come to Dubai and expect everything to be like it is in their home country. And that just doesnt work. At the end of the day its what you make of it for yourself.

Allow me to add some points or re-iterate some already offered relating to cabin crew.

-Accomodation is provided in either 2 or 3 bedroom apartments but each person gets their own bedroom and bathroom. Males and Females cannot share apartments but live together in the same buildings. Generally flatmates are matched with people of similar religion/culture. And there is an option to move apartments to live with friends depending on vacancies.

-The roster has a bidding system so you can request where/when you want to fly. Although this is not guaranteed you have a fair degree of flexibility. There is also an online swap facility so you can swap your flights for other destinations, for days off or swap your days off for flights. Your choice provided it fits in with legalities.

-EK is not a travel agent sending its crew for long layovers. Its true that 24hrs is the most common but it is a job and you're required to work to get paid right?

-Moscow was only operated as a turnaround due to visa problems. This is now rectified and operates as a layover. Maldives is not a turnaround either! And India is close enough to Dubai to operate as a turnaround.

-I dont know the figure of crew leaving each month, but above is written 50 so we'll go with that. Remember that all crew are on 3yr contracts, not 'job-for-life' deals like European airlines. So imagine that every month so many contracts end their 3year life. You then have a choice to renew your contract (depending on your performance) or return to your home country. This may explain the turnover.

It is a rewarding experience. Of course having good days and bad days. Good flights and bad flights but you have to let the good experiences outweigh the bad. For more information take a look at www.emiratesgroupcareers.com


Trident2e -- think again!!! Thats all i'll say.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:09 am

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 18):
Why not? Whilst I appreciate that cabin crew are there primarily for safety what they actually do for most of their time is serve coffee. How difficult can this be?

It is very difficult because the F/A's get passengers exactly like you! People who live an incredible ignorance and think they are the only once in the world. I started my career as a F/A. In the meantime I am Captain, TRI and TRE and do run a flight department. I never would say that my first job was less demanding than what I did after. I just did different things, but as you can read in previous answers, it may be fun, as long as you choose the schedule. But then it gets hard, I can tell you real hard. You will have no more control about your live, it's controlled by Crew Control and you are basically a slave. Finally there is one very important fact: The F/A may serve you your coffee, but a good F/A should also have the abilities to make feel every single passenger welcome and something special. She/he must be able to read the passengers wish from his face and should also be around if the passenger only wants to talk. Then the F/A should be educated enough to conduct a nice chat the passenger feels well in. The F/A should also be able to look after persons who are afraid or sad and not at all open to talk. Do you find such points with somebody who's best qualification is to serve coffee?
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:29 am

Legacy,

Thank you for some maturity on the topic, half of a.net think unless your in the flight deck, your nothing.

Trident is most likely a frustrated accountant somewhere, or perhaps at home, on fraudlent benefits watching Discovery Wings.

[Edited 2005-05-30 19:31:21]
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 13):
Absolutely. How difficult can it be to serve coffee?

From what I heard by the flight attendants, any type of coffee service into/out of the New York area is a long, hair-pulling experience. Coffee regular, anyone?
If not now, then when?
 
glidepath73
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:54 am

Hello together,

thanks a lot for your infos sharing with us. This is very kind and helps to find maybe the right airline to work for.

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting EK773 (Reply 22):
It is a rewarding experience. Of course having good days and bad days. Good flights and bad flights but you have to let the good experiences outweigh the bad.

I think those are great wisdom words from EK773. All job positions have advantages/disadvantages as all companies have dark and bright sides. I think working at EK gives a strong background from a human side and an operational flexibility point of view. I have some colleagues who did it and they came back stronger than ever with an excellent mood !!!

Rgds,

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glidepath73
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:35 am

Hi!
I think it's a nice feeling to work for a company where the economics are healthy, and where you can be sure: Your company provides one of the best or even the best quality product in the airline industry. This feeling cheers surely up employees as well.

I think if you're able to leave where you live right now, there is a great chance to have a very interesting job at a very interesting company.

And as mentioned above, it's a great chance to start as a F/A and go maybe to another company after three years.

What is better? Shorthoul or longhaul flights? I heard longhaul is way better...
What are the F/A here saying?

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:50 am

Quoting KLMcedric (Reply 20):
Trident2e, Imagine flying AMS-LAX,staying there 24hrs with a 9hour time
difference and flying back to AMS.Not as a passenger but working(serving coffee as you so respectfully say it) in a extremely dry environment with as much oxygen as in the highest skistations.
Also the fact that you live without any form of regular biological clock does weird things with your body after some time,this should also be considered.
I never felt more tired before in my life then after one of these flights,so
don't underestimate it.
This comment of you makes me sad in some way.It proves that most people think of it we don't have to do anything and it's just one big holiday.

So to get back to the topic, even in a company like KLM were FA still get a fantastic treatment and a lot of time off we get seriously worn out, I can only express a lot of respect for my colleages over at EK, who probably work double the time as I do.

@ KLMCedric:

I trully enjoyed reading your post. It was full of truth and honesty.

FB.
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glidepath73
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:59 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 16):
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 28,650 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.

Productivity Pay
For each block hour above approximately 78 hours per month, an additional Dhs 400

Are you sure this a monthly F/A salary? That sounds a lot; it would be more than € 6.000!!!
That sounds unreal.......

On the EK website they say you would earn about $1.600.

Regards,
Patrick
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 6:10 am

Thought the same, Patrick... Give me that salary and I'll apply immediately Wink

Must be a pilots salary, I guess....

Mike
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 6:51 am

NO WAY! If that's true I will apply. Even CX FAs can't make that much. Nor the ones at DL, UA etc.

Must be pilots
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 7:31 am

Flying Belgian,
thanks for your reply, appreciate it!!!
Here's some more truth and honesty for you:
Trident2e, you had some people here who tried to explain to you in a
descent way why your way of thinking is wrong.
Yet you continue to throw very unrespectfull and diminishing remarks at us.
I can not imagine any viable reason for you to do so.
Either these are words from a jealous person or from a natural born A-hole.
I'm leaning towards the latter, please correct me if I'm wrong,wich I'm sure
you will with yet another of your delightfull and enjoyable remarks.

And by the way, what exactly is it that you try to achieve with these words?
Do you really enjoy upsetting people so much?

Sounds to me like you should get a life!!!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 9:03 am

Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 16):



Quoting CaptinTuT (Reply 16):
Monthly Salary
Starting Salary is Dhs 28,650 and is reviewed annually. (1 US$ = 3.66 UAE Dirhams). The salary is tax free.



Are you sure, that would be $7,827.86 per month!!!!!!
 
777boi
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 10:14 am

EK currently have around 6000 crew working for them, and are on a large recruitment drive at the moment. We get thirty annual leave days each year, with one completely free ticket to our home destination.
Conditions are good. It is true that they provide us with free apartments (either 1,2 or 3 bedrooms) and all utilities are paid for. And, if we decide to move out, a decent living out of company accomodation allowance is given. Also, transport to and from work is provided for those of us who live in company accomodation. We also have a company medical and dental clinic which covers all us for almost everything.
The rostering system can be good. We get to request what flights we want to get or avoid each month. If you know how to work the bidding system properly, u can have very nice rosters. The bidding system works on rotating senority levels- the higher your senority for that month the more of your requests you get. We do a month of reserve every 7 months which is not too bad.
As for the turn/around and lay over flights, yes we do have bad routes, but which airline does not. I have friends who work for BA and VS, and the have specific routes that they dont like at all. Our long flights are very hard on the body... 8 day SIN/BNE/AKL trips are tiring, but we all have an absolute blast doing them! There are a few destinations that are a couple of days long (CGK/BKK/HKG/ACC). Yes, more than 24 hours in europe would be nice, but do we really need it after a flight of just 6 hours???
I say give EK a go. You are on a 3 year contract, but if you dont like it, all you have to do is give a months notice and you can leave!!!!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:00 pm

Hi All,
Just wondering if they hire only crew or something else is too.How is working for them as ticket counter person or any thing else.I like to work for them but how to apply for job not for crew any thing else sorry no experience as F/A or any crew thanks for your help in advance.  old 
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 12:27 pm

Seriously folks, don't take Trident's remarks worthy of replies. If you feel insulted or it is out of context, suggest that it be deleted.

While FA and pilot jobs may be exhausting, I think the excitement of traveling and the fact that you are dealing with different issues on every single trip makes it well worth it (this, aside from the pay etc.). I am neither, but that's what I see as the perks of that job, along with a free ticket  Wink

Do EK staff, including pilots and FAs also get industry travel (ie reduced) fares on other airlines? Someone mentioned a completely free ticket to your home country: does this include travel that would be required on non EK flights, where EK does not fly?

Finally, to mention one other line of work that is deemed tiring is that of consultants, like the big audit firms etc, where one would commute to the other side of the continent (in North America for example) on Sunday night, work until Thursday and fly back home on Thursday night to report on Friday. Apparently, people can only do this for a stretch of about 5 years, and simply give up.
 
777boi
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:17 pm

PK786- Try www.emiratesgroupcareers.com This website lists all job vacancies within emirates.
ETStar- Yes, Emirates F/A's do get industry travel. Unlimited ID90's and 50's on Emirates and other carriers as well. Family members are limited to one ID90 with EK per year, but unlimited on other carriers!!!
Oh yeah... judging from my last flight... serving coffee can be very difficult while trying to deal with a serious medical case at the same time!!!!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 3:48 pm

Quoting KLMcedric (Reply 20):
We have nice destinations with some very nice layovers(e.g.:5days NYC,8daysJNB,8daysCPT,9daysBKK,7daysSIN,6daysGRU,NRT,KIX,14days KUL
etc.) pay is not bad(especially not if you become widebodypurser), and we have an awful lot of free time after each flight(somtimes 6,7,8 days).

I have to say that these layovers are not representative at all, at least as far as european airlines is concerned. I work as a f/a for LH and know a lot of people working for other european carriers, and normally it goes like this:
( for european carriers )

NYC 24 hours
JNB 24 hours ( we used to have 24 hours, then a shuttle to CPT,and the next day back to FRA . Not anymore since the direct FRA-CPT ). In fact is more than 24 hours, since we arrive aerly in the morning and depart next day late at evening.
BKK 48 hours with shuttle to SGN apart
GRU 24 hours, shuttle to SCL or EZE , and next day back to FRA ( so in total you have free the day of arrival, and the next day, and that is all )
NRT 24 hours, same as ICN

If KL is paying such a long money in layovers...I wonder how thay can make money... boggled 
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:15 pm

Quoting A340600 (Reply 36):
This is some of the most ignorant crap I have ever read on my time at Anet! I seriously suggest you take some time to read some of the excellent posts in this topic and maybe then you'll start to realise just how demanding Cabin Crew is!

It is demanding. A cabin crew doesn't only serve food but must also take care of passengers at 30000 feet high. And lots of demanding tasks like dealing with demanding passengers, staying up at 3am etc.

Quoting Fokkerf28 (Reply 37):
Are you sure, that would be $7,827.86 per month!!!!!!

Probably pilots but not FAs. I would say $ 1600 per month is more realistic

Even CX FAs do not make as much (CX is one of the most well paid airlines in the world if not the most well paid)
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:37 pm

Quoting SQ773 (Reply 43):
I have to say that these layovers are not representative at all, at least as far as european airlines is concerned. I work as a f/a for LH and know a lot of people working for other european carriers, and normally it goes like this:
( for european carriers )

Maybe KLMcedric was referring to some kind of missions ??

I remember KLM has some crews that are based in NYC for some days.

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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:39 pm

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 13):
Absolutely. How difficult can it be to serve coffee?

wow, I'd love to see this guy do my job for one month. I'd love to see him try to keep a hysterical woman calm while the other crew members administer oxygen and prepare to shock her husband back to life after a heart attack and then clean up all this mess and finish the breakfast service. I'd love to see him handle all the questions, demands and complaints we deal with everytime we put on our uniforms. I'd love to see him handle the last hour of a 15 hour flight working the arrival service and being asked for the 900th time for yet another landing card because the same guy messed it up for the 6th time. I'd love to see him handle it when an angry middle eastern man unexpectedly jabs him in the side and yells that his tea is not hot enough.

While our jobs are often very glamorous and unbelievable, there's a lot of patience and understanding that goes into every flight. And then there's jet lag...

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PHXinterrupted
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Tue May 31, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting VHXLR8 (Reply 9):
Quoting EKGOLD (Reply 4):
How many staff do BA, QF etc lose per month?

Actually, we just had 3 leave last month (MEL based), and that was talked about quite a bit! So, compared to that, 50 is quite huge. I fly with a few ex-Emirates F/As, and have heard very mixed reports about what it is like to fly for them.
But believe me, 50 people per month leaving a job that pays US$1500 per month tax free (plus accommodations and benefits) really does say something.

Is $1500 a month a lot? That doesn't seem like a lot to me, not to mention quality of life issues.
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:02 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 28):
Must be pilots

well yea, that was my Mistake sorry guys this is for Pilots
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Sammyhostie
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:22 am

We dont get paid a lot, at all...average basic in UK is £9 - 10,500k .... yeah you get allowances etc but its not a lot.
 
777boi
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:09 pm

Yes Sammthostie, but your pay also varies greatly on what grade you are and how much you fly per month. If you are willing to do the hours each month, you can do quiet well for yourself. I think it is a pretty decent salary considering it is baically pure pocket money!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 5:40 pm

Quoting PHXinterrupted (Reply 39):
Is $1500 a month a lot? That doesn't seem like a lot to me, not to mention quality of life issues.

Taken out of context, it sounds little, but according to people on here, it is tax free, and you live for free. So basically this is what you have left after your housing and utilities are paid.
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:52 pm

Hi all!

Thanks again for all the very, very useful posts guys!
I appreciate that a lot!

As mentioned on earlier posts, there might be advantages and disadvantages to work as a F/A. But that's the same on lots of other jobs. Some things are nice, and some are not that good or even maybe bad.
The sum of all those post show me though, that It should be worth it to try to work as a F/A for EK.

Let's see what will happen in the future!  Smile

Regards,
Patrick
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Sammyhostie
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:35 pm

"I think it is a pretty decent salary considering it is baically pure pocket money!"

Really? you know even little than I thought you did.
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:49 pm

Thanks T154 -

I meant actually 3 per 3 bedroom apmt but didn't carefully write this. The 'dorm' environment is still true as you often can meet others consistently and it is like a big dorm. But it is a professional and comfortable environment - not cheap.

After 1yr - FA's i believe can move out.

EK environment is generally very professional - overall EK seems to do a very good job.

Hopefully the A380s reach its promise on efficiency!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:50 am

How about per diem at Emirates? What is the rate?
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:22 am

Just for info, some of Emirates current layovers are:

ATH - 27hrs or 49hrs
BKK - 24hrs or 48hrs
HKG - 24hrs or 50hrs
MLA - 48hrs or 80hrs
CDG - 24hrs or 48hrs
MUC/DUS/FRA/ZRH/VIE/LGW/LHR/MAN/BHX/GLA/FCO/NCE/CMN/JNB - 24hrs

I have to say that with the benefits given to crew by EK, you are better off working for EK than almost any other airline, prime reasons being that it is easy to save money when you live in DXB & work for EK. Think about this...you basically dont have ANY expenses, you are given free accommodation, you don't pay anything for water or electricity, local telephone calls are free, international calls are really cheap, you are picked up and dropped off from work, cars are cheap and cheap to run.......and to top it up your salary is tax free, besides also getting a decent layover allowances. So basically your salary, which adds up to DHS12,000 per month (including layover allowances) is yours and you dont get bills. What more do you want?

Working on EK flights is the same like any other airlines, you have popular flights which everyone wants to do and you get the flights everyone dreads, which are normally the shorter turnarounds. But all in all you almost always have a good flight and it is enjoyable having crew of so many different nationalities. You never get bored and always have something to talk about. No regrets about working for EK!
 
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RE: How Is Working For Emirates?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:35 am

From what I heard CX is the world's best paid airline especially for pilots but they don't treat their staff very well.  Smile

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