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Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Mon May 30, 2005 10:53 pm

In an article published in the Vermont Times-Argus, Neeleman released some comments on Burlington, VT. The Times-Argus said Neeleman helped unload luggage from the A320, and was in attendance at the Vermont Industry Expo.
http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs....0050528/NEWS/505280357/1003/NEWS02

-LF into Burlington is about 83% and Neeleman says there is a service gap.
- He has options for 11 total gates at Boston and is considering running BTV-BOS. THis is a market where CO and DL overcharge customers blatantly. I assume 2 daily 190s would do
- He says a 4th daily flight to Burlington is in consideration. I believe this would rule out Burlington's receving 7-8 daily 190s to JFK, but anything is possible

[Edited 2005-05-30 15:54:44]
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Mon May 30, 2005 10:58 pm

I could see them switching the A320's over to the 190's and adding some additional flights to keep the capacity the same.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 12:51 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1):
I could see them switching the A320's over to the 190's and adding some additional flights to keep the capacity the same.

I don't, solely because their current terminal (6) at JFK is already packed to the gills with flights, and they will not give up the gate space for BTV or Upstate to have more flights with the E190s until the new terminal is completed.
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 12:53 am

Do B6 run flights from BTV to destinations other than JFK ? Eg. direct to Florida or out west ?
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 1:00 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):

Do B6 run flights from BTV to destinations other than JFK ? Eg. direct to Florida or out west ?

No, only to JFK right now with connections to everywhere else.
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 3:09 am

Quoting GothamSpotter (Reply 4):

Do B6 run flights from BTV to destinations other than JFK ? Eg. direct to Florida or out west ?

No, only to JFK right now with connections to everywhere else.

Although with the E190s, that may change.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
I don't, solely because their current terminal (6) at JFK is already packed to the gills with flights, and they will not give up the gate space for BTV or Upstate to have more flights with the E190s until the new terminal is completed.

This might be true though I think they will make it work to add the 190's and extra frequencies to this market.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 3:25 am

Burlington is a great little city. I would like to live there, even with the cold winters.

Fares are a bit overpriced into there compared to Manchester NH and Albany, which probably sucks the half-way-between passengers awar from there.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 4:15 am

That's for sure.
My nearest departure airport when I am in Vermont is Burlington. Only choice for international flying is jetBlue to JFK and then Aeroflot to SVO, AeroSvit to KBP, KLM to other places, or whatever the case may be.
However, domestic prices aren't THAT bad on NW or UA or DL.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 4:25 am

BTV steal a lot of traffic to Montreal. Price for domestic USA flight is just lot cheaper than AC.

That is reason this tiny city (34,000 pop) have so much flight.

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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 1:37 pm

that also explains how they can have higher prices than Manchester. Compared to Montreal, they are lower. Where Manchester can't be too much more than Boston, or everyone would just bite the bullet and fly into Boston.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 4:51 pm

Quoting Aad665 (Reply 9):
That is reason this tiny city (34,000 pop) have so much flight.

I would venture to say that BTV is the most overserved city per capita in the U.S.

Everyone flies there: US, UA, CO, NW, DL, B6, and DH. For a city of 34,000! Go BTV!!!
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 4:59 pm

They all fly in to see the Catamounts play hoops!
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Tue May 31, 2005 5:31 pm

Panam330 said it. NO MORE ROOM. We're getting killed here at JFK. Not just gate wise but in the baggroom. Terminal wasn't made to handle what we're doing. But as they say here. "make it happen" and we do everyday.
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:26 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 11):
I would venture to say that BTV is the most overserved city per capita in the U.S.
Everyone flies there: US, UA, CO, NW, DL, B6, and DH. For a city of 34,000!

A lot of rich people have weekend/vacation homes in central/northern Vermont. It's not by coincidence that Stowe is the most expensive ski resort in NE, and the homes there are some of the most expensive.

UVM, Dartmouth College, Middlebury College, and Montreal are all nearby and contribute to provide enough demand for flights at BTV.
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:50 am

Quoting NYCFlyer (Reply 11):
I would venture to say that BTV is the most overserved city per capita in the U.S.

Actually, MHT is probably just as overserved, if not more so. The population of the city of Manchester itself is 107,000 and passenger counts at MHT are roughly three times those at BTV. Actually, if you want to get technical, the population of the City of Boston is just under 600,000 and yet Logan has several hundred daily flights from a couple dozen airlines.
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:00 am

Yes, Manchester, for a size of the city itself, receives a good deal of service. However, the metro area it serves is quite large, with the Merrimack Valley of Massachusetts being a mere 20 minute drive down I-93 (to Andover/Lawrence), and about 20 minutes down Route 3 to Lowell. Heck, when I'm in Boxford, MA, it takes me 35 minutes to go to MHT, cutting through North Andover to 495 to 213 to 93, while it takes me 35 minutes to get to BOS, thanks to the traffic on Routes 1 and 60. This area, as well as Southern New Hampshire (Salem/Plaistow etc.) are growing very fast, and this whole area has a metro area of around 1 million residents or so. Keep in mind that MHT reaches about 75% of New Hampshire's population, and a chunk of Southern Maine's (just drive down 95 to Rte 101...takes about 45 minutes to get to the Maine border from MHT), helps the numbers out a lot.

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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:33 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 15):
the population of the City of Boston is just under 600,000

I believe it about 630,000 people. I know for a fact there more than 600,000 people living in the city.

Manchester is a perfect size city, it's a nice city as well.


I hope that B6 offers daily service from BOS to BTV, I know several people who fly that route monthly and would love to see some competition to drive the prices down.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
Where Manchester can't be too much more than Boston, or everyone would just bite the bullet and fly into Boston.

I don't know the exact numbers, but I don;t believe BOS is an extremely high priced airport, as they do have all the LCCs, where as MHT only has one, WN.
I am not trying to start a fight here, but why would people be biting a bullet to fly into BOS? BOS is the regions largest airport by far, offering the most variety of airlines, the most daily flights, the most daily non-stop flights as well as an array of daily flights to Canade, Europe, The Caribbean and the west coast. Out of every other large airport in the region (MHT, PVD, BDL, BGR, PWM) none offer any service direct to the west coast, and only a few Canadien destinations are offered out of these airports.

Good fir BVT, it's nice to see that for a pretty small city, they do have some pretty good service options. The same goes MHT.
 
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RE: Neeleman Comments On Burlington, VT

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:13 am

Quoting BOSPMV (Reply 17):
I don't know the exact numbers, but I don;t believe BOS is an extremely high priced airport

Just a quick note because we're way out of topic here. I live right between MHT and BOS but I'm yet to fly out of MHT because I always find cheaper fares out of BOS, and better schedules. Not to mention cheaper parking: $3-$5/day at just about any subway station that has parking  Smile

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