bmacleod
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YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:20 am

Could be a misprint but it looks like AC is saying its starting nonstop YYZ-PEK with a 340-300. Does a 340-300 actually have the range for this ultr-long flight or did AC intend to use its 340-500?

http://yyznews.com/May.html "H" paragraph.
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:30 am

I saw the reference to the 343 on their website annluncement of the route--I don't think it's a misprint--and in any event I don't think they have any 345s to spare as they are permanently tied up on the HKG YYZ cycle---

Must be a 343---I can't see it being longer than YYZ-DEL which they do in a 343.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 1:33 am

It's no misprint, AC will start non-stop YYZ-PEK service Jun01 with A343-300 equipment.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 3:32 am

G´day

courtesy of great circle mapper http://gc.kls2.com/

YYZ-PEK is 6578 mi




YYZ-HKG is 7810 mi




Per the ´bus webpage the range of the 340-300 is 7400 mi with full passenger load, that likely is the latest version though.

But AC´s "old" 340-ies should be able to make the trip to Beijing with no gas station required midway, all provided winds are reasonable.

Cheers

Peter
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:03 pm

I think AC will have no problem doing this.

YVR-SYD is 7757mi and they were able to do the trip on the east bound non-stop with an A340-300 although the west bound had a stop in HNL.

Besides, they can have certain payload restrictions when the winds are unfavorable.
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 2:13 pm

YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!


Regards - Kahala777
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!

Thanks for that "exciting" bit of trivia. Those routes aren't AC. Is that your "favorites" list of A343 routings? I would imagine that there are more A343 routes than those five in the world. Does the exclamation point indicate a level of excitement or are you using the exclamation point to indicate displeasure that previous posters in this thread didn't point out your favorite routes? I find your post most puzzling. Please explain further why you are throwing out these irrelevant facts.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 5:58 pm

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 6):
Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 5):
YVR-HKG
JFK-EZE
SFO-MUC
AMM-JFK
SCL-AKL
PPT-JFK

All are A340 as well!

Thanks for that "exciting" bit of trivia. Those routes aren't AC. Is that your "favorites" list of A343 routings? I would imagine that there are more A343 routes than those five in the world. Does the exclamation point indicate a level of excitement or are you using the exclamation point to indicate displeasure that previous posters in this thread didn't point out your favorite routes? I find your post most puzzling. Please explain further why you are throwing out these irrelevant facts.

Just to let you know that Air Canada operates A340-300s on the daily HKG/YVR run as well
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Tue May 31, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting Heavierthanair (Reply 3):
But AC´s "old" 340-ies should be able to make the trip to Beijing with no gas station required midway, all provided winds are reasonable.

Even so, I'll feel better when the 777s get delivered as they are a much more capable aircraft for that route.
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:02 am

If you want long A343s routes, CIs direct flights to FRA and VIE from TPE , which cannot overfly China, are 6800-7300m depending on routing.
they did try TPE-JFK, 7800m, but ended up having to put a regular stop at ANC, certainly for the westbound.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:04 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 8):
Even so, I'll feel better when the 777s get delivered as they are a much more capable aircraft for that route.

YYZ-PEK is not a long route. The 343 will have zero trouble negotiating it.

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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:19 am

Quoting Airbus A3XX (Reply 7):

Just to let you know that Air Canada operates A340-300s on the daily HKG/YVR run as well

Yes, I know that. You can go to the Air Canada website and find out what flights they fly. Most airlines have websites with their schedule on it.

This thread is about how a route from YYZ to PEK is scheduled to operate using an A343. Some people respond with useful and relevant information such as the range of the A343 or other routes that are longer using A343s and their distances for comparison purposes. I'm trying to figure out how blurting out a list of A340 routes without distances or comparison is part of the discussion. I am also unsure why it is relevant whether or not YVR to HKG is an AC route when obviously the list of routes that were listed were not a grouping of AC routes.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:49 am

And FYI, several of the posts compared statute miles to nautical miles.

YYZ-PEK is a short 5716nm vs the 343's max pax range of 7400nm. This route would even be available for a pretty big uplift of cargo.

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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
the 343's max pax range of 7400nm

but is that really realistic, 7400nm??? Not sure which source you might be using but I suspect that would be with no or minimal headwinds and unrealistic reserves. I think a more realistic number for most airlines would be high 6000s at best. If 7400nm was realistic, CI would be flying JFK-TPE direct still!!
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:21 am

I remember reading that the flight would only take 13 hours. I love that so many nonstops from toronto to asia are popping up. The idea of getting to asia in under 14 hours with no connections from an airport close to where I live is great.
 
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RE: YYZ-PEK On A 340-300?

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting Trex8 (Reply 13):
Not sure which source you might be using but I suspect that would be with no or minimal headwinds and unrealistic reserves.

They're manufacturer's numbers, so sure they assume no headwind and unrealistic reserves.  Smile

That being said, YYZ-PEK is a no-brainer.

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