irishjohn
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Ryanair Bashing............what!

Tue May 31, 2005 4:19 pm

Just announced:

Revenue y/t 31.03.05 Euro 1,337.0 Billion
Profit y/t 31.03.05 Euro 268.9 Million
Passengers carried 27.6 Million

HAPPY BIRTHDAY RYANAIR!!!!!!!!

Safe sailing

John
 
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Tue May 31, 2005 4:35 pm

Well done Ryanair, very impressive! Hopefully it sends a message to those bureaucrats in Brussels that competition is healthy and they reject the AZ "bailout"!
 
brons2
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Tue May 31, 2005 5:09 pm

They won't be carrying me again at any point in the future. Either them or EasyJet. These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN, despite their protestations to the contrary. I will be starting my own thread about this when I get back to the states.

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Tue May 31, 2005 5:23 pm

Whoever said they were like WN? They're not and they never will be. Personally I find them perfectly adequate for the price. It's when you expect diamonds but only pay for string - that's the usual expectation.

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Tue May 31, 2005 5:32 pm

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 2):
These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN, despite their protestations to the contrary.

Maybe because they dont want to be like Southwest?  

Good Job Ryanair! Hope to see similar announcements from Easyjet and Germanwings soon  Smile

[Edited 2005-05-31 10:33:36]
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RE: Ryanair Bashing............what!

Tue May 31, 2005 5:36 pm

Quoting Irishjohn (Thread starter):
Ryanair Bashing............what!

I don't think anyone's ever bashed Ryanair based on their financial performance - and anyone who'd try would, most likely, end up looking rather foolish.

Those are quite impressive numbers.

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 1):
Hopefully it sends a message to those bureaucrats in Brussels that competition is healthy and they reject the AZ "bailout"!

Now lets just hope that Ryanair finds out that it's not just subsidies to other airlines that should be removed, but that the subsidies they get should be removed as well.

Regards,
Frank
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Tue May 31, 2005 5:53 pm

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 2):
These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN

You mean the canadian based WN?  Smile
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Tue May 31, 2005 7:06 pm

FR are also hedging at 72% / £47 a barrel prices for the coming winter season. Which could be a shrewd move. At least it gives them planning stability in the year going forward

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 3):
Whoever said they were like WN? They're not and they never will be.

FR and EZY sell you a seat and nothing else. Just like a bus or train. Unfortunately some passengers (especially WN users) can't get their heads round this and expect them to be clones of Southwest or offer the support of British Airways if things go wrong.

You get what you pay for.
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irishjohn
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Tue May 31, 2005 7:58 pm

Leskova
Reply5

Not sure I follow your logic on Government subsidies?! Are you suggesting that the bail-out of AZ is the same as providing incentives to operate a route to a regional airport, or an airport in an 'out of the way' location? Not even remotely the same!

How do you equate providing another loan to a bankrupt company such as AZ, with providing incentives to a hugely successful carrier, such as FR - where airports all over Europe are fighting for the opportunity to be invited to tender!

Sounds a bit like our American cousins attempts at suggesting that Chapter 11 is a good thing!!!!!!

Safe sailing

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Tue May 31, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 8):
Sounds a bit like our American cousins attempts at suggesting that Chapter 11 is a good thing!!!!!!

Any attempt to save jobs is to be appreciated nowadays - even if the money-greedy CEOs object. Moreover, Leskova has a good point: subsidy is subsidy, whether direct or indirect
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Leskova
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Tue May 31, 2005 8:26 pm

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 8):
Not sure I follow your logic on Government subsidies?! Are you suggesting that the bail-out of AZ is the same as providing incentives to operate a route to a regional airport, or an airport in an 'out of the way' location? Not even remotely the same!

As Mrniji already mentioned - a subsidy is a subsidy.

If the airport is owned by the city/state/country that it's located in, it's a subsidy, nothing more, nothing less.

If the airport is privately held, it's another subject - but only then.

Regards,
Frank
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irishjohn
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Tue May 31, 2005 8:51 pm

Then Frank...........................

a subsidy is not always a subsidy!!!

Still not with your point - one is provided to attempt to safe jobs, etc (a lot like pouring money down a great big black hole) and the other is being provided to create NEW jobs, NEW revenues and NEW opportunities. I believe there is a difference between a subsidy and an incentive!

But your opinion is important, and not better or worse than mine, so let's agree to differ!

Safe sailing

John
 
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Tue May 31, 2005 9:09 pm

Quoting Irishjohn (Reply 11):
But your opinion is important, and not better or worse than mine, so let's agree to differ!

Offer accepted, without reservation! Have alook at
"I Agree To Disagree!" (by Mrniji May 29 2005 in Non Aviation)

What a coincidence  Wink

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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:00 am

Who owns Ryanair? Is it a private company or public? Is it owned by another company? Just wondering.

Thanks  Smile

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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:15 am

Quoting Irishjohn (Thread starter):
Passengers carried 27.6 Million

Oh, that's just a few 738 flights, the amount of people they try to get in them Wink

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Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:23 am

Quoting Brons2 (Reply 2):
They won't be carrying me again at any point in the future. Either them or EasyJet. These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN, despite their protestations to the contrary. I will be starting my own thread about this when I get back to the states.

Actually, I did a thread on this a few weeks ago. With the new "recover a thread" feature, you should check it out

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 4):
Maybe because they dont want to be like Southwest?

You mean grow to almost 5 times their current size, enjoy 30 years of profitability, and not treat customers like $hit? I guess not

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 7):
FR are also hedging at 72% / £47 a barrel

At 47 pounds per barrel, they would be paying roughly $35 USD more than the highest price paid currently. I am sure you mean $47, since oil is priced in dollars on the world markets

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 7):
You get what you pay for.

WN offers similar or better fares (especially when you can get flexibility with WN) and gives much service. That argument is moot
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RE: Ryanair Bashing............what!

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:20 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 6):
Quoting Brons2 (Reply 2):
These UK based LCC's are nothing like WN

You mean the canadian based WN?

Yeah, a UK airline could never dream to better a Canadian airline!
 

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 13):
Who owns Ryanair? Is it a private company or public? Is it owned by another company? Just wondering.


Its a PLC, listed on the Dublin, London & New York stock exchanges. MOL has quite a few shares, as does the Ryan family in Ireland, the airlines founders.

Tony Ryan was also one of the drivers behind the GPA (Guiness Peat Aviation) leasing company, now called GECAS.

Tony Ryan is also involved in a new LCC in singapore, called Tiger Airways.

Cheers,

EI321

[Edited 2005-06-01 01:34:05]
 
mrniji
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting NWOrientDC10 (Reply 13):
Who owns Ryanair? Is it a private company or public? Is it owned by another company? Just wondering.

Thanks

A private company (receiving indirect state subsidies Big grin )
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scotron11
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:40 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 17):

A private company (receiving indirect state subsidies Big grin )

Maybe the argument over subsidies/incentives belong in a different post. But to put it in perspective, Ryanair does not get subsidies. It may receive incentives from local authorities to fly to their local airport, thereby creating jobs for the local economy, enabling folk to pay taxes, spend money and of course, the added benefit of thousands of travelers spending their monies too.

There are countless areas of France, for one example, that have benefited enormously because Ryanair offers service to their local airport at cheap, affordable prices.

That is a huge difference to an entity owing their entire existence to state bailouts and that would not otherwise survive in a free market economy.
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 4:25 pm

Has Pe@rson been banned? I've noticed there isn't any comments whatsoever from MOL's brown-noser, lol.
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:10 pm

Quoting Alcregular (Reply 19):
Has Pe@rson been banned? I've noticed there isn't any comments whatsoever from MOL's brown-noser, lol.

Alas no - I expect he is just in a student-hibernation (ie. no lectures this week) and so is permanently ensconced in front of UK Gold, dribbling.

FR may make a lot of money, but that just goes to prove that theres a sucker born every minute. FR are Evil and must be destroyed !!  Smile
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:18 pm

Congrats Ryanair!

Quote:
You mean the canadian based WN?

That would be Westjet...following in the low cost model.

[Edited 2005-06-01 13:20:10]

[Edited 2005-06-01 13:21:32]
 
mrniji
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:25 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 20):
Quoting Alcregular (Reply 19):
Has Pe@rson been banned? I've noticed there isn't any comments whatsoever from MOL's brown-noser, lol.

Alas no - I expect he is just in a student-hibernation (ie. no lectures this week) and so is permanently ensconced in front of UK Gold, dribbling.

T heard he has been admitted into prison.. Big grin
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:33 pm

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 22):
T heard he has been admitted into prison..

For murdering Mrniji. Yes, I heard that too.  Wink

I won't be around much from now on, mainly just the occasional visit once- or twice-weekly.

It is hardly surprising that FR's profit has increased, as it does every year. It is, once again, testament to the fact that it is an ever-popular airline and is increasing its efficiency still further. Well done.
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:40 am

For the first time this year I've flown with FR between BLK and STN 4 times and I've not had one problem, admittedly I had to scrape off from my seat someone's half eaten butty from a previous flight!  Smile
I found the cabin crew to be nice and the pilots to be quite professional (I got to pop into the flightdeck after landing at STN once).
Well done Ryanair!
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EI321
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:55 am

Quoting Mrniji (Reply 17):
A private company (receiving indirect state subsidies )

Ryanair is a PLC - Public Limited Company.

And what is stopping any other airline from recieving such incentives? Answer: Nothing.
 
mrniji
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:23 pm

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 23):
I won't be around much from now on, mainly just the occasional visit once- or twice-weekly.

I don't believe you.. your addiction to alcohol will cause further late night visits to a.net Big grin
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Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:51 pm

Hard to fathom all that hate for an airline that lifted moribund airfields into life, offered hundreds of employees gainful employment, and offered millions the opportunity to travel to interesting places or make a business meeting within their means.
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