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BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 6:56 pm

BD still cant get the concept of a common product to avoid confusion. They have now started playing with their regional product and introduced confusion. I feel sorry for the staff. Introduction date is today, different to the mainline date of August. Confusion reigns at BD - at least something remains the same.

Leeds Bradford - Cork Only
The business cabin/service is being removed from this route and will be replaced by a single economy cabin with a pay bar.

Edinburgh - Stornoway only
This route will continue with a business cabin product, however the economy service will now include a pay bar.

all other routes
Route will continue with a business cabin product, and a free bar / food in economy.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 6:59 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Thread starter):
Leeds Bradford - Cork Only
The business cabin/service is being removed from this route and will be replaced by a single economy cabin with a pay bar.

Edinburgh - Stornoway only
This route will continue with a business cabin product, however the economy service will now include a pay bar.

all other routes
Route will continue with a business cabin product, and a free bar / food in economy.

And this will achieve?.......................... sarcastic 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 7:01 pm

It is confusing, but looks like BD are trying to tailor service to perceived demand. As they aren't an operation which is the size and complexity of BA then it can be easier to implement.

There is no point flying empty chairs or uneaten food on poor yeilding routes. But some others need that service bump.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 7:23 pm

I dont see why a route like LBA-EDI is deserving of free drinks while LHR-BRU or LHR-EDI is pay bar/no food. Its nonsensical.
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 7:38 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 2):
There is no point flying empty chairs or uneaten food on poor yeilding routes. But some others need that service bump.

If you fly BD you might know that they load business food according to number of passengers aboard, with no room for error. On my last BD business class flight they had no meal for me as I switched from an earlier flight. (only three passengers in business).

The marginal cost of a short haul business cabin is tiny. Its the fixed cost support that goes with it. BD will still have Business class from LBA, but only to Scotland. Wheres the cost savings compard to the (potential) drop in yield from eliminating the business cabin?

I argue that All BD short haul business should go on all routes.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 7:42 pm

I agree, if they are getting rid of business class on short haul, it should apply to regional too.
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:00 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
I dont see why a route like LBA-EDI is deserving of free drinks while LHR-BRU or LHR-EDI is pay bar/no food. Its nonsensical.

Maybe it's more to do with time constraints. Would you be able to serve all pax on a short domestic sector adding the extra time of having to charge for each transaction? Isn't this why IB, I think it was, stopped charging for f and b on shorter sectors?
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:03 pm

The horrid WW manage to serve and charge for drinks on a 3 cabin staffed manned 737-500 from EMA-EDI so why couldnt the two cabin staff BD carry on their ERJ145s LBA-EDI do it????
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:10 pm

Interestingly BD are still selling C class on ORK LBA.... what muppets.

BD 472 C4 D0 Y9 S6 H. Q. V. W. ORKLBA 1635 1745 ER3

Quoting Flighttime (Reply 6):
Would you be able to serve all pax on a short domestic sector adding the extra time of having to charge for each transaction?

EDI LBA is scheduled for an hour. ORK LBA is for an hour ten -
How many Cabin Crew do BD have on their RJ's? I presume 1?
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:16 pm

On the ERJ145 they have 2 cabin staff!!! I fly Embraers from LBA fairly often and there has always been 2 members of staff for the at most 49 pax. Compare this with WW with 3 cabin staff on a fully loaded 737!
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:27 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
Interestingly BD are still selling C class on ORK LBA.... what muppets.

BD 472 C4 D0 Y9 S6 H. Q. V. W. ORKLBA 1635 1745 ER3

They are, and will continue to sell the C inventory, AFAIK, in the same vain as BA sell J. It is so they can identify pax entitled to the lounges etc, and for through ticketing (not that their is much of this from LBA or EDI !)

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:48 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 9):
On the ERJ145 they have 2 cabin staff!!!

Oh look - a cost saving.

1 cabin crew member, and free glass of water for what is a 160 mile flight, with a airborne time of 33 minutes this morning. Those with status can raid the cookies and G&T at either end. (33 mins airborne = about 15mins to serve cabin)
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:50 pm

I understand that by law two cabin crew have to be carried on the ERJ145? I know in other countries, only 1 is carried on the same aircraft type.

So two are needed on a 49 seat aircraft but only 3 on a 149 seat 737-300???
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:57 pm

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 12):
I understand that by law two cabin crew have to be carried on the ERJ145? I know in other countries, only 1 is carried on the same aircraft type.

Correct me if I'm wrong (and I might just be this time) but isn't it relative to the number of exits on the a/c as opposed the number of pax? Or is it both?

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:58 pm

I think some people have missed the point of the original post, i.e. that BD will not be offering a consistent product for its brand. It's all very well to say they're tailoring service to the route, but you should expect a consistent service level for what is offered. I'd imagine BA franchise carrier Loganair will be hoping to pick up some BD passengers on the EDI-SYY route now.

What is it with maintaining business class from LBA anyway? Are BD carrying a lot of Morrison's people to and from their Head Office in Bradford? The two companies could be made for each other!
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:58 pm

Its usually 1 CCM per 50 seats. Perhaps some lipstick and a pinny on the first officer?
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 8:59 pm

It may usually be one per 50 seats but due to the configuration of exits/cabins 2 cabin crew have to be carried by BD on the ERJ145
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 9:01 pm

True - back to the original post. What impact (if any) will this have on a/c scheduling, and cross feeding equipment and routes?
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 17):
What impact (if any) will this have on a/c scheduling, and cross feeding equipment and routes?

I cant see any schedule impact as these flights simply fit into flights around them. I dont expect a food purchase system to be put into place on LBA ORK though.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 11:28 pm

IMO, bmi has made a big mistake by differentiating their product, their service and their brand to the point that you may not know which you fly depending on the city you are flying to. bmi should standardize their entire shorthaul product on an all-Y, extra-legroom, middle way between Y and J, and use superior service and competitive pricing to combat BA at LHR in particular, but also in MAN, EMA, etc.
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 11:35 pm

I was at MAN yesterday, and noticed that BMI now have another hybrid scheme on one of their ERJs. It is in the old Blue, Grey and Red livery, with BMI written in LIGHT BLUE on the fuselage and the tail.

Looked cack.

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Tue May 31, 2005 11:55 pm

Time for Sir Michael to spin the Wheel of Random Service again ! What'll it be next week ?
- All Y on RUH routes, but free drinks for high-tier Frequent Flyers only ?
- Upgrade all ERJ's to full 3 cabin Business, Eco Extra and Economy with 2 crew per cabin, and free caviare and smoked salmon but only on INV-SYY ?
- C cabin on CAX-NWI but only on alternate Wednesdays unless the Moon is in Aries, in which case it will be 2 cabin service but no sandwiches.

Get a grip BD - it's only a few crap sandwiches and a g&t each - either give it or don't give it, would a decision either way be too much like work ?
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:42 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 21):
Time for Sir Michael to spin the Wheel of Random Service again ! What'll it be next week ?

According to the gossip, the next change will be paid access to the business lounges to be made available to the proles those travelling in pleb class (still free / included for full fare punters and those with Diamond Club and/or Star Gold cards). So instead of a quiet santuary for business travellers, the lounges will probably become opportunities for the chavs to get tanked up on "free" booze before they go off on their cheap "tiny fare" weekends away.

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting Skymonster (Reply 22):
the next change will be paid access to the business lounges to be made available to the proles those travelling in pleb class

Euwww - like those "First Class lounge" vouchers you can buy on your First Choice Holiday GBP99.00 special to Ibeefa, that get you into the Gatwick Handling "Edna Everage Suite" at LGW for free curly egg 'n cress sandwiches , a can of Vimto and a 3 week old copy of "OK!" magazine. How tacky.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:23 am

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 20):
Cack.

Sums the entire airline up in one word. Quite sad... I fly with a Cack airline.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 23):
"Edna Everage Suite"

Welcome to the BMI Diamante club Lounge - entry only through SMS on your Virgin pay and go mobile.
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:48 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 24):
Welcome to the BMI Diamante club Lounge - entry only through SMS on your Virgin pay and go mobile.

 rotfl 

Will they have special numbers so you can vote for who gets evicted from the Diamanté Lounge ? Hey, it's a money-spinner...
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 2:05 am

Im sorry Skymonster but I prefer the company of sometimes to the up their own arse businessmen, who dont even utter a word to you.

Last week I flew to Gatwich and sat next to a suit, I smiled at him and he didnt even smile back and the cheeky swine tried to read my Telegraph!
 
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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:44 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 26):
Last week I flew to Gatwich and sat next to a suit, I smiled at him and he didnt even smile back and the cheeky swine tried to read my Telegraph!

You do have an issue with people being perceived as better than you Orion.

If some random bloke smiled at me I'd find it a little odd! Given you asked Pe@rson for a date, I'm thinking that Telegraph was in fact Gay Times. Big grin

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:22 am

'The smile you send out returns to you' unless its a self-important man with rude manners. I was just being friendly though looking at his face I ought to have gave him a squeeze under my broadsheet, perhaps that might have raised a smile 

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:35 am

I wouldn't be surprised if BMI now opened a new lounge in the form of a porta cabin smack bang in the middle of LHR, what the hell is this airline doing?!

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 3):
I dont see why a route like LBA-EDI is deserving of free drinks while LHR-BRU or LHR-EDI is pay bar/no food. Its nonsensical.

I agree, and this will cause confusion and annoyance for pax. It seems Sir Michael is away with the bunnies again, we can only smile and remember the good old British Midland days,

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RE: BMI Now Have Three Regional Cabin Products

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:28 pm

Quoting 7LBAC111 (Reply 27):
Given you asked Pe@rson for a date,

Oh dear - talk about scraping the barrel !

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 26):
Last week I flew to Gatwich and sat next to a suit, I smiled at him and he didnt even smile back

Some people don't like to socialise on planes, I know I don't. It's unpleasant enough being squeezed into a toothpaste tube with 200 perfect strangers for a couple of hours, some people take their minds off it by pretending they're there by themselves.
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