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HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:41 am

With or without the merger with US, HP plans on serving Hawaii from both PHX and LAS in 2006.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepu...usiness/articles/0531hawaii31.html

They also plan on flying to KOA and LIH. Will HP use 752s of their own or the 752s and 762s from US? I doubt they'll use the A332s. LIH is 752 worthy, but KOA can handle heavier aircraft. TZ has increased service to OGG and HNL from PHX on 753s, so maybe fares will drop when US (or HP?) enters the market.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 6:48 am

Thats good news I think. HP/US might use the US 762s, if they have them. Don't forget, US uses a lot of those 762s on seasonal routes during the summer. As for the airbus, its an A333, not an A332 that US has. Anyway, I think it is good to see HP (prob. US) in the Hawaii market. I used United last year through US Airways Dividend Miles.

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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:04 am

Awesome indeed. I'm sure the the routes will benefit from the merger with the increased amount of 757's. I guess this might see the end of some of the current 757 routes that HP flies. They will need them for the new routes.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:19 am

I highly doubt many 762's would fly these routes. Yes quite a few are used for seasonal European routes in the summer, but in the winter they also fly high demand seasonal routes to CUN, STT, NAS, MCO, and SJU.
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:21 am

Quoting WA727 (Thread starter):
but KOA can handle heavier aircraft

Is this right, Kona CAN handle heavier a/c or CANNOT?

If you mean can, okeedoke.

If you mean cannot, then I beg to differ. I've seen DC-10s and 747s at KOA. 11,000 foot runway ought to handle just about anything.

http://www.airnav.com/airport/PHKO
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:32 am

ANCFlyer, KOA of course can handle heavies as I saw a UA D10 in 1991 and know that Japan flies some in there as well. Lihue, on the other hand, is limited by 6,500 foot runways. I've seen D10s and L10s there, but they were charters that hopped over from HNL. All the nonstop mainland flights to LIH are on 757s. So, I bet the HP/US service to both KOA and LIH will be on 752s. Hooray for more 6+ hour, narrow body over water flights ! (not)

PITA333, thanks for the correction.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:34 am

Just read it wrong, of course you're right . . .

Quoting WA727 (Reply 5):
Hooray for more 6+ hour, narrow body over water flights ! (not)

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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:37 am

I thought US was returning all ten of their 762's.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 7:48 am

I have seen no evidence of that. They did say they'd be transitioning to an Airbus international fleet, but not when.

Those 762s can be very useful.

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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:02 am

Byrdluvs747: Where did you hear this? Down the grape vine or a report? Either way, the 762 does more europe routes, as US has more 762s than A333s.
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:30 am

Quoting PITA333 (Reply 9):
Byrdluvs747: Where did you hear this? Down the grape vine or a report? Either way, the 762 does more europe routes, as US has more 762s than A333s.

Well they are supposed to be retired and replaced with the A332...but in the merger discussions they stated they were working with Airbus to transition the fleet to all Airbus more quickly. I do agree they do have some use still, but they are getting quite old. Does anyone know if they are completely paid for yet?
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:50 am

The 332's don't arrive until 2007 and i doubt they will arrive anytime sooner.
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:50 am

I do agree they do have some use still, but they are getting quite old.

They're exactly the same age as HP's 757s.

Does anyone know if they are completely paid for yet?

US owns 4 of them outright. The other 6 are leased.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:00 am

HP in KOA! Add yet another carrier to KOA. Talk about airports on the rise. This gives the state yet another reason to update and enlarge the terminal.

Too bad HP couldn't bring back their 747s!  cheerful 
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:28 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 11):
The 332's don't arrive until 2007 and i doubt they will arrive anytime sooner.

Yeah that's coming around pretty quick.

Quoting A330323X (Reply 12):
They're exactly the same age as HP's 757s.

Hehe..yes and ours are old too!

Quoting A330323X (Reply 12):
US owns 4 of them outright. The other 6 are leased.

Wow, cool....might be wise to keep them flying for a bit longer. The good thing about the 757/767 is the commonality between the two. I can't imagine much parts commanility, certainly not engines. But they might not want to keep them around because of the small fleet size.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:36 pm

Could US/HP fly from ONT to Hawaii or would the loads be to light?
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 12:51 pm

Quoting UA747400 (Reply 15):
Could US/HP fly from ONT to Hawaii or would the loads be to light?

Why would they--they don't have a hub at ONT. That flying will be left for HA and/or AQ to do.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:03 pm

The flights to Hawaii would most definitely be from PHX and probably LAS.

I recall some misled A.netter talking about how any Hawaii service would be useless because it would full of nonrev-ers.
Need I remind everyone that nonrev-ers fly standby. In fact it would probably be difficult to nonrev to Hawaii because loads are generally full.
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:20 pm

Isn't Hawaii a low yeilding market and most of the passengers that travel there use their free reward miles? Why would two broke airlines want to jump on that? Good PR for investors? Who knows...
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 1:31 pm

I don't think Hawaii is that low yielding, but if so just don't offer that many reward seats. Do what most airlines do offer 10 or so. (I know they offer more but it feels like unless you book a year in advance you can't get it)
 
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Wed Jun 01, 2005 3:38 pm

Quoting Neilalp (Reply 19):
I don't think Hawaii is that low yielding, but if so just don't offer that many reward seats. Do what most airlines do offer 10 or so. (I know they offer more but it feels like unless you book a year in advance you can't get it)

Yes it's very difficult to book reward tickets to HA these days. I found one a while back out of TUS...had to go to DFW first then to LAX then to HNL...lol...yeah ok....

Hawaii is not a low yielding as many think. It can be for tour operators who get seats really cheap. If you are buying a ticket yourself...which a lot of people do...you're gonna pay pretty good. I posted before that the normal fare out of PHX to HNL is around $600 roundtrip. Not very cheap.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:15 am

the article at the start of the thread says tourism to Hawaii is up 12% or so. I flew HA PHX-HNL R/T in February and both flights were full. Perhaps non-revs are down and paying pax are up. Hence, the increased service.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:32 am

Quoting UA2162 (Reply 13):
Too bad HP couldn't bring back their 747s!

I can't imagine a 742 in the current HP colors.  Wow!


More seats to/from Hawaii is a good thing. Will be curious to see how many flights HP/US actually adds.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 22):
I can't imagine a 742 in the current HP colors.

I think it would look pretty cool. There's actually some modified pictures of them out there.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting WA727 (Reply 5):
Lihue, on the other hand, is limited by 6,500 foot runways. I've seen D10s and L10s there, but they were charters that hopped over from HNL.

Right. UA used to operate a daily scheduled flight from HNL using DC-10s. I rode on it in Feb. '90. Some time after that, probably after retiring the DC-10, they started nonstops from SFO and LAX, using 752 ETOPS.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:10 am

Quoting StevenUhl777 (Reply 24):

Right. UA used to operate a daily scheduled flight from HNL using DC-10s. I rode on it in Feb. '90. Some time after that, probably after retiring the DC-10, they started nonstops from SFO and LAX, using 752 ETOPS.

I flew the 752 ETOPS LIH-LAX overnight on January 31, 2003. It was dark when we took off, but we used most of runway 3 on departure.

Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 22):
I can't imagine a 742 in the current HP colors

I flew the 742s PHX-HNL in the old HP livery in 1991. The galley drawers had the KLM logo on them.
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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting Azul320 (Reply 18):
Isn't Hawaii a low yeilding market and most of the passengers that travel there use their free reward miles?

AA has said time and time again that Hawaii is a real money maker for them. ATA obviously thinks so too.

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RE: HP/US Hawaiian Service In 2006

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:39 am

Yeilds on flights to/from Hawaii are average, at best, its mainly a tourist destination, therefore lots of passengers shopping for the lowest fare and not a huge amount of premium traffic.....but, since the distances are rather long, some leisure passengers do actually pay to sit up front. Now that airlines seem to have better control over their frequent flyer programs, Hawaii is not the difficult proposition that it once was - through updated yeild management programs, airlines limit award seats and upgrades to destinations like Hawaii - did you ever notice that you can no longer your miles when you want to?

There is growth in the Hawaii markets - resorts on islands like Maui and Kauai are booming and NCL Cruise Lines will homeport up to three large cruise ships in Honolulu, increasing demand to the islands.

America West has had its eye on Hawaii for a while, and with the US merger brewing, there should be adequate feed (plus reasonable O/D traffic) at PHX and LAS to launch services to the islands - I imagine that it will be all 757 out of the two hubs to begin and it will be interesting to see how the new HP flights affect existing services on the routes. A weekend only PHL-HNL service (with a 762) would not surprise me - US serves many resort destinations in the caribbean on a weekend only basis (part of the reason for these services is to spice up US's FF program, US has admitted this themselves) and I think that they will follow the same logic with a PHL-HNL nonstop on a weekend only basis.

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