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Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 8:28 pm

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050601/clw018.html?.v=13
Three new routes for Song announced today. Beginning September 6th, Song will start twice-daily service from BOS to both SFO and LAX. Also, they will launch the only nonstop service on BDL-LAX, operating a single daily flight, starting September 6th as well.

Comment: The two new Boston routes were only a matter of time, however I'm a bit surprised by BDL-LAX. I could have seen that flight sometime down the road, but would have expected SLC service first. Still, great news for BDL.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:30 pm

I was surprised by BDL-LAX as well...I would have expected UA or AA to offer this route first. It won't be easy for DL to fill a 199 seat plane on this route, but I guess they believe they can.

The extra BOS flights are no surprise, but it's good to see BOS finally getting some growth. DL's got a huge new terminal to fill and this is a start.

Any news about the rumored SLC-MCO and SEA-MCO Song flights??

[Edited 2005-06-01 14:31:55]
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:31 pm

AA used to run daily 738 service from BDL to LAX, so hopefully this will work out.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:32 pm

This does come as a surprise. Be nice to see more of the snot covered 757's on the west coast and specially here at SFO where some color is needed. I wonder if United will or is in the position to make any response.

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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:41 pm

According to faremeasure.com, 342 people per day travel between BDL and LAX. Obviously not all of them fly DL, but if they can convince 199 of 342 to take the flight, then the flight will work. A nice addition for BDL. Nice pickups for BOS too.

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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:44 pm

Everyone knows that I am going to say this..

Where the Heck is the RDU-LAX service? I'm getting so disappointed at this.. somebody needs to jump on the RDU-LAX..
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:45 pm

But congratulations to BDL for getting some LAX service..
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:53 pm

Yes, good for BDL, however, I thought PVD-MCO on Song would be above that on the priority list. AA and UA just got an early morning wake-up call on their beloved BOS-LAX/SFO service. First B6 trims at the edges (LGB & OAK) and now DL Song throws the round-house...
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:57 pm

That is good news for BOS, BDL, LAX and SFO. Now if we can only convince Song to add a stop each way at DFW, for one of their BOS-LAX and BOS SFO dailys. That still leaves the other one as a non-stop.  Cool
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 9:59 pm

Well BDL had announced an incentive package for west coast service so it's obvously ties into that. However with only 342 daily O&D pax and 398 seats both ways (and not everyone flies DL, or at those times) I would expect the flight to perform rather poorly. However, that said, since its a red eye ( not parked overnight) in addition to the incentives may have made it work a try. AA was not sucessful with a 738 when O&D #'s were higher than they are now and AA had connection opportunities unlike DL, so we'll see...
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:11 pm

The BDL flight should do very well. Delta averages 58 passengers a day now connecting. Not only will Delta take some market share from UA/AA, BDL should see some passengers driving to JFK/BOS for non-stops and lower fares start come back.

This is a good sign for Song. I think if JFK-LAX had terrible numbers, they would have held these markets back and gone for more leisure destinations or Delta friendly markets. But they're still taking the fight to Jetblue and AA/UA.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:16 pm

The 342 figure is OW, not a combined bi-directional total.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:22 pm

I hope the BDL service works. We did have AA with the 738, and prior we had UA do SFO with the 319, both of which were dropped. With Songs fare structure, they could pick up new cheap ticket pax. Like somebody else said, it keeps a 757 from sitting idle overnight. Now we need jetblue!
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 10:28 pm

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 10):
Not only will Delta take some market share from UA/AA, BDL should see some passengers driving to JFK/BOS for non-stops and lower fares start come back.

I agree with Padcrasher on this. There are a lot of people who live in New Haven/Waterbury and Worcester areas that routinely drive to New York and Boston areas for longer flights. But at the end of the day, I am not sure if it will work. BDL has had BDL-LAX before (as well as BDL-SFO on UA) but this is the first time with an LCC. Maybe it will be different this time around.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:11 pm

DL will have to more than triple it's market share on this route/market to fill the 757, and with a red-eye return flight, this may prove difficult. Having said that, I think it's good for BDL that they got DL's attention on this route to begin with - somthing we seem to be unable to do here in PVD  Sad
 
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Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:16 pm

In all honesty, PVD has 2 good candidates for service to LAS/PHX/LAX.. and that would be either WN or US.. both seem to do well in the area..

Therefore, those 2 would be my first and highly prioritized carreirs to go to for that service..

US could do a 321 or757 redeye to LAX from PVD as they use both of those aircraft their nightly..
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 5):
Where the Heck is the RDU-LAX service? I'm getting so disappointed at this.. somebody needs to jump on the RDU-LAX..

Maybe a lack of market to support this service could be the reason.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:41 pm

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 16):
Maybe a lack of market to support this service could be the reason.

At 333 passengers each way, RDU-LAX is one of, if the not the largest O & D markets without nonstop service (now that BDL-LAX is coming to fruition).
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Wed Jun 01, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting Padcrasher (Reply 11):
The 342 figure is OW, not a combined bi-directional total

That is total passengers in the market, so 171 each way. Looks like DL has a uphill battle if you ask me...
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:23 am

The Hartford-Los Angeles market is actually 576 daily passengers. Remember, DOT does not combine the LA-area airports (nor the SF or Miami-area airports) like they do for Chicago, NYC, Dallas, Houston, and DC.

BDL-LAX: 342
BDL-SNA: 139
BDL-ONT: 63
BDL-BUR: 32
BDL-LGB: >10
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:32 am

I stand corrected that 342 figure is both ways.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:49 am

Good point MAH, but it is clear the bulk of the market is pure BDL-LAX. Opening up an entire region's O & D in many cases clouds the actual service. If I could count BOS's O & D (only 50 miles from PVD), we would have nonstop service to 20 more markets than we do now...

Top O & D markets with at least 125 average one way passengers without any nonstop service (DOT 3Q04 data only - annual average numbers will vary):

1) MCO-SAN 356 avg. daily total pax
2) ORF-SAN 347
3) RDU-DEN 346 (go nuts ERJ170!)
4) SEA-TPA 336
5) PIT-SEA 335 (US drops this 8/22/05)
6) SEA-FLL 334 (long flight!)
7) RDU-LAX 333 (calm down ERJ170!)
8) PVD-SAN 296
9) PVD-LAX 282 (we've been loosing many more pax to B6/BOS)
10) PDX-MCO 282
11) BUF-FLL 275 (anyone from NK reading this???)
12) FLL-SAN 269
13) PVD-LAS 267 (between WN and US/HP, this should become reality soon)
14) ORF-LAX 263
15) PHL-PDX 256 (US/HP merger should knock this one off the list too)
16) PDX-BOS 256 (long term US/HP route?)
17) BDL-SEA 254 (AS future route?)
18) RDU-MCI 248 (too close to the cut to leave off)

# of times on this list:

SAN 4
SEA 4
PDX 3
PVD 3
RDU 3
LAX 3
FLL 3
MCO 2
ORF 2
BDL 1
PHL 1
BUF 1
PIT 1
DEN 1
TPA 1
LAS 1
BOS 1
MCI 1

let me know if I missed any markets you think should be on here...
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
Good point MAH, but it is clear the bulk of the market is pure BDL-LAX. Opening up an entire region's O & D in many cases clouds the actual service. If I could count BOS's O & D (only 50 miles from PVD), we would have nonstop service to 20 more markets than we do now...

Good point, covering market leakage can be difficult, so that's why I just put it by metro area. MIA/FLL/PBI, LAX/ONT/SNA/BUR/SNA, and SFO/OAK/SJC are used as coterminals by most majors. BOS/PVD/MHT are, IIRC, not. Although there is definitley market leakage between BOS/PVD/MHT, and other airport pairs (MOB/PNS/VPS), it is hard to measure the tru effects. Of any two airport pairs, MIA/FLL and SFO/OAK probably have the most market leakage to each other. Also, there are cases where an airline's presence in the market makes the market to a secondary airport simply larger. Look at how big the FLL-LGB market is thanks to jetBlue (276 daily passengers).

In the case of MIA especially, the majority of the domestic traffic has always gone through FLL. Combining the fitures, the RDU-QLA is 616 passengers, MFW-BUF has 527 daily passengers; PVD-QLA has 443, and MFW-SAN has 426.

(also, side note, but I am using older numbers than those recently updated on Faremeausure).
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:34 am

Okay.. somebody explain QLA and MFW..

Don't forget RDU-Bay is 400 (256 SFO + 134 OAK)...
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:40 am

Huh, I have to thank you MAH, as I had stopped checking faremeasure and was relying on farewatch since faremeasure's data was from 3Q03 or something...thanks! Oh, by the way, BOS/PVD/MHT has a huge amount of leakage. As the networks become more point to point, there will be less relyance on the MSA to MSA routes (since they are mostly already served) and the second tier or "competeing" airports will become more attractive. As a route like BOS-LAX becomes saturated with capacity and the fares come down, there is less incentive to ignore PVD/MHT since the playing field becomes more level. In this case, a carrier can offer the 1x daily service PVD-LAX at the lower fare because the fare premium at BOS has been dilluted, therfore reducing the oppurtunity to make more money at BOS, while at the same time enjoying no competion at PVD driving up demand as the people seeking the nonstop come back to PVD...
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:52 am

MFW=MIA/FLL/PBI

QLA=LAX/BUR/LGB/SNA/ONT
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 1:57 am

I think this is great news for New Englanders. This should make it much easier than it is right now to get a flight to the West Side from a convenient airport like Bradley. Logan may be a bit crazy, but I would be surprised if there weren't enough passengers to support a non-stop route given the size of the populations in each market, not to mention the touristy appeal of L.A. and Boston. If Song is good about getting the word out, I think it will work out surprisingly well.

Quoting FlyPNS1 (Reply 1):
Any news about the rumored SLC-MCO and SEA-MCO Song flights??

It would be nice to have a direct flight from Sea-Tac to Orlando, but that would also mean that it would be less expensive to go and visit my in-laws. Damn it.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:24 am

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 21):
17) BDL-SEA 254 (AS future route?)

Interesting. I had no idea so many pax flew BDL-SEA. Wouldn't it be something to an Alaska bird in BDL? BDL-SEA could work as you have a fair amount of O&D plus connecting opportunities with Horizon Air.

I noticed the flight number for BDL-LAX is DL 9742 or something like that. I wonder why such a high number.

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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:44 am

disregard the previous list I posted in reply #21, here's one that is more accurate:

3Q04 DOT total average daily pax (only - annual numbers will vary). Largest markets without any nonstop service (minimum 137 pax in each directon).

1) SEA-BWI 642 (AS or WN? - surprised nobody is flying this route)
2) CMH-LAX 430 (WN or AA?)
3) BWI-PDX 357 (WN?)
4) SAN-MCO 356 (WN, FL or B6?)
5) FLL-SFO 350 (AA/UA?)
6) SAN-ORF 347 (WN Navy run?)
7) RDU-DEN 346 (get mad ERJ170!)
8) SEA-TPA 336 (AS or WN?)
9) SEA-PIT 335 (AS or WN?)
10) SEA-FLL 334 (AS, B6, or WN - long flight!)
11) RDU-LAX 333 (AA, UA, WN, Song?)
12) BWI-SJC 329 (wonder if WN will try it again?)
13) MCO-SMF 308 (FL, WN or B6?)
14) RDU-SEA 304 (AS or WN?)
15) AUS-SEA 304 (AS or WN?)
16) PVD-SAN 296 (WN?)
17) RDU-SAN 291 (WN?)
18) SAN-IND 289 (NW or WN?)
19) SAN-CMH 287 (WN?)
20) PVD-LAX 282 (WN? - we loose a lot of pax to BOS too)
21) MCO-PDX 282 (AS, WN or FL?)
22) FLL-BUF 275 (how about NK?)
23) PVD-RDU 274 (WN or DL connx)

PVD is on the list 3 times
RDU is 4
FLL is 3

SAN is on there 6 times, time to for SAN to get some new service!
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:45 am

The new Song flight from LAX-BDL will be a red-eye, correct? Then Delta doesn't have to fill it to make it worth while. They simply need to have enough revenue passengers (plus whatever subsidy is coming from BDL) to make it more attractive financially than leaving the plane on the ground.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:53 am

But having one day flight one-way gives Delta the clear advantage here. Even with one-way fares, people that dont' care for red eye's will book the non-stop with Delta on the outbound and return with DL connecting on the return.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:57 am

The biggest reason BDL is awarded with their nonstop to LAX by Song is that it continues to be right up there with SJU as one of Song's most profitable stations.
The travelers that use BDL have grasped Song nicely since the beginning and their ridership continue to grow with a great word of mouth advertising.

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 27):
I wonder why such a high number.

I am fairly certain this will change in the next week or so.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:03 am

Oh boy,

I certainly didn't see the ERJ "why don't we get service to LAX!??!?" post coming.  Yeah sure
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:07 am

Are the O&D numbers combined for BWI/DCA/IAD. BWI may not have a nonstop to SEA, however DCA has 2 and IAD has 5
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:44 am

I think the AA BDL-LAX 738 service was around for a decent period of time before being dropped after 9/11.

Can't say my facts are accurate though as I'm going off memory.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:36 am

BDL had LAX on AA twice i believe... once before 9/11, then it was gone for a little while, then came back, and i believe it was supposed to come back a 3rd time seasonally, but it never happened. AA had connecting opportunities which DL does not. This will be interesting to watch...

Things going for the service:
1) BDL's Incentive package
2) Its a red eye flight vs being parked

Things going against the flight
1) No connecting opportunities
2) More seats than O&D pax (very bad when you factor in airline loyalty)

We'll have to see which one wins out, I wouldnt be suprised to see it go X23 or X236 before it starts.

[Edited 2005-06-01 21:38:44]
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:52 am

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 33):
Are the O&D numbers combined for BWI/DCA/IAD

BWI is seperate whereas DCA and IAD are combined to make the "WAS" market.

NYC is EWR/LGA/JFK combined.

HOU is IAH and HOU combined.

All other markets are seperated.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:57 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 23):
Okay.. somebody explain QLA

Los Angeles Metro Airports. All 5 of them

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 23):
Don't forget RDU-Bay is 400 (256 SFO + 134 OAK)...

You left out SJC

Quoting Eric777 (Reply 27):
I noticed the flight number for BDL-LAX is DL 9742 or something like that. I wonder why such a high number.

It is a Song flight
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:58 am

Actually- Song would have connection oppotunities at LAX. The Song website won't show them, but I think Delta.com will. There will not be many, but some through the American Eagle codeshare, a KAL flight to ICN, and a few others.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:58 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 37):
It is a Song flight

True, but the flight numbers for Song usually are in the 1975-2099 range. In the 9XXX range, DL currently uses the numbers -9024 for FlyBE and 9025-9124 for Alaska flights. Flight numbers like 9742 get rather close to the assigned flight numbers for positioning/maintenance flights, which I have seen using numbers both below the Song numbers (like 9682) as well as above (99XX). So I am wondering if these numbers are just temporary dummy numbers while DL changes their flight numbers around so that there are enough new flight numbers available below 1975 or above 2099, to have constant flight numbers.

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 38):
Actually- Song would have connection oppotunities at LAX. The Song website won't show them, but I think Delta.com will. There will not be many, but some through the American Eagle codeshare, a KAL flight to ICN, and a few others.

A single flight each to TPE, ICN, PPT and CAN, plus FAT, SAN, SBP and SBA in Cal.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:09 am

I'd expect them to be just dummy flight numbers. I'm sure they'll change these and the times when the Fall schedule is released. The BDL-LAX flight is currently about a 5h10 flight (which is the time it takes for CLT-LAX, 400 miles shorter than BDL-LAX), while the LAX-BDL flight is a 6 hour flight (while LAX-BOS is only 5h26 on UA at roughly the same time). I'm sure when the final schedule comes out, BDL-LAX will be slightly longer, while LAX-BDL will be shorter.

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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:16 am

Interesting to note that the cheapest fare Song is selling those flights for is $448.40 round-trip. Not sure if passengers will pay for those types of fares in droves, although they are sure to have very solid yields on the flights.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:26 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 41):
Interesting to note that the cheapest fare Song is selling those flights for is $448.40 round-trip

Only because Song hasn't offered introductory fares yet  Wink .
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 41):
Interesting to note that the cheapest fare Song is selling those flights for is $448.40 round-trip.

The lowest WN fare is $432 round-trip with some stops. Presently it isn't necessary to offer a low fare to LAX in the high traveled month of Sept. Fare sales will come though.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 35):
BDL had LAX on AA twice i believe... once before 9/11, then it was gone for a little while, then came back, and i believe it was supposed to come back a 3rd time seasonally, but it never happened. AA had connecting opportunities which DL does not. This will be interesting to watch...

It never came back after 9.11. It was announced to return in June 2002, but it never started.

Quoting Lax44 (Reply 34):
I think the AA BDL-LAX 738 service was around for a decent period of time before being dropped after 9/11.

Yes, IIRC, it was.

Quoting PVD757 (Reply 36):
NYC is EWR/LGA/JFK combined.

HOU is IAH and HOU combined.

All other markets are seperated.

CHI is MDW+ORD and DAL is DFW+DAL. MFW, QLA, and QSF are seperated. As well, TPA/PIE and MCO/SFB are seperate, although the latter airports receive very minimal scheduled traffic. IIRC, WAS used to include BWI a few years ago, but no longer does.
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 8:55 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 44):
It never came back after 9.11. It was announced to return in June 2002, but it never started.

Ok...i knew one time I was announced and never started, perhaps it may be been prior to 9/11 but i think i recall the service ending and comming back seasonally. In adition to adjusting it seasonally, I believe they also played with the times starting as an AM, ending as a PM departure. With the amount of adjustments during its short time, it looked as if AA had difficulty on the route from when it started....I'll have to dig through my archives!
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chrisnh
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 9:51 am

Taking Song as part of Delta, this is, what, the third time they've tried transcon out of Boston? Each time they retrenched with tail between legs. So good luck to them this time. In their favor: AA is using 737s BOS-LAX and UA has fewer flights than they used to, so overall seat counts are down from the time when DL tried this trick before.

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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:42 am

Actually, AA had BDL-LAX flights in the 70s on 707s, and UA had BDL-LAX nonstops in the late 70s and around 85-86 on DC8s.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:34 am

delta DOES have connection options available at LAX. Besides and additional route to Hawaii, delta DOES codeshare with american eagle out of LAX to a bunch of cities in california. (that is why it says delta counts :::delta, delta connection, skyteam and american eagle codeshare as its number of flts.) its on the bottom of every one of there press releases.
 
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RE: Song To Start BOS-LAX/SFO; BDL-LAX

Thu Jun 02, 2005 12:44 pm

No, no connecting opportunities at all.

Unless you count the ICN codeshare, the CAN codeshare, the TPE codeshare, the PPT codeshare, the KUL flight on mileage partner MH.