DavidJ
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Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:04 am

Hi,

I'll be undertaking a lot of travelling with Iberia and American Airlines in business class.

I was wondering if somebody would be able to advise me as to which Oneworld airline frequent flyer scheme is the best.

David
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:10 am

AA is very generous. The highlights:
- Gold and higher may check in using Biz Class line.
- Gold and higher may prebook exit row seats <- Clearly the best feature since American exit rows are very generous.
- Platinum and higher may check in using First Class line.
- Platinum and higher may use any OneWorld lounge if flying internationally on OneWorld carrier that day. BA even allows me to use the lounge for UK domestic travel (thx BA!).
- Very generous North American/Carribean travel upgrade policy.

If you're wondering, AA does not allow international check-in to be online or via kiosk, so the line thing is important.


Don't know much about Iberias program I'm afraid..
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:14 am

The only hitch with the Oneworld mileage programs is transatlantic between the US and London you have to choose between AA or BA. You can't accrue one on the other. I guess the big question is where would you be flying most of the time?
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:18 am

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 2):
The only hitch with the Oneworld mileage programs is transatlantic between the US and London you have to choose between AA or BA. You can't accrue one on the other. I guess the big question is where would you be flying most of the time?

Don't I know it. ARGH! Seeing as I fly this route all the time I would really like to fly BA every now and then, but nooooo...
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:49 am

Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles. A friend flew STR-ZRH-DFW-GRU and back with LX and AA and received no miles because he was not eligible as a result of the the coach fares he paid (even though he paid more than US$1,100 for his ticket). The same happened to me last year when I flew LHR-BRU with SN. I took my boarding pass and receipt to AA's ticket office in Mexico City and a few weeks later I received a post card from AA stating that accrual was not available for flyers of the fare class I had paid. I have never had such a problem with MX or DL, so I would choose someone else's frequent flyer program.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles.

What? I've flown on all sorts of fares on AA and OneWorld partners (even the cheapest) and they all give miles. You fly'em, you get'em. the difference is the number of bonus miles you get. The cheaper the fare, the lower the multiplier. But you always get the base miles (and those are the ones that count for higher status).

Re LHR-BRU, did you fly with SN but NOT on an AA flight number? This can happen even though the ticket is the same as your transatlantic segment. If you fly a non AA flight number with a non OneWorld airline, you get normally no miles. If you fly a non AA flight number with a OneWorld airline, you get a limited number of miles. If you fly an AA flight number, you get the full mileage.

Re STR-ZRH-DFW-GRU, was it on AA flight numbers or LX?

[Edited 2005-06-01 20:58:02]
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 3:54 am

u just have to make sure when booking ur in a class that means u will get miles.

Normal full or semi flexable Economy, where u can make some changes means (at least with ba) that u can get miles
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:08 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 5):
Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles.

What? I've flown on all sorts of fares on AA and OneWorld partners (even the cheapest) and they all give miles. You fly'em, you get'em. the difference is the number of bonus miles you get. The cheaper the fare, the lower the multiplier. But you always get the base miles (and those are the ones that count for higher status).

Well, I consider myself the king of CHEAPO and I have never been denied miles on AA, and I usually fly international. So I'm not familiar with this problem. As Starlionbule said, the difference is the multiplier.

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 1):
- Gold and higher may check in using Biz Class line.
- Platinum and higher may check in using First Class line.

One slight correction. In many airports, the biz and first class lines are the same, so Gold gets to check in via first class. I know that's the case at SFO, SJC, MIA, and LIM.
And yes, the time you save in line makes a HUGE difference.

My recommendation would be to accumulate miles on AA. It's a bigger airline and it offers more choices, at least for a US based traveler.

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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 4:14 am

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 7):
My recommendation would be to accumulate miles on AA. It's a bigger airline and it offers more choices, at least for a US based traveler.

Quite right. I think the whole "where are you based" thing is what counts. If you are based in the UK, get BA. If you are based in the US, get AA. And so on. the exception would be if you fly disproportionally much within and airline's system. For example if you live in London but fly a lot of US domestic you should still get AA.

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 7):

One slight correction. In many airports, the biz and first class lines are the same, so Gold gets to check in via first class.

I knew that, just couldn't be bothered to write it  Wink
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 7:16 am

Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles

The only time I remember them ever doing that was in conjunction with IT/wholesale fares. I remember a very irritated client once upon a time who took a rather expensive all inclusive trip to europe on AA from LAX that was air inclusive only to find out that he didn't get mileage on the trip. Mind you this was 10 years ago and I haven't seen anything since then that would support that they're still doing it. That doesn't mean that trips that are inbound to the US are treated the same way, however.

I know that some asian carriers do/did that on fares that were not in F/C/Y.. but not AA. As mentioned above I'm also a big fan of paying as little as possible to get where I'm going.. and an absurdly low round trip DCA/LHR run this past winter still managed to net me full mileage.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:18 pm

Click on this site for comparisons to ALL ONEWORLD FF programmes:

http://members.shaw.ca/fewmiles/oneworld/chart.html
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 2:47 pm

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 10):
Click on this site for comparisons to ALL ONEWORLD FF programmes:

http://members.shaw.ca/fewmiles/onew....html

Just had a look and the site is very out of date. Try the 1world home page.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Thu Jun 02, 2005 5:04 pm

Re the BA/AA transatlantic mileage thing, check with the airline. AA members can't earn points on BA & vice-versa. As I'm in QF, I can earn points on either carrier transatlantic. I'd check out the rules for IB, as that might be a way around the problem.

The non earning booking classes is not confined to oneworld, it is common in all alliances.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 12):
AA members can't earn points on BA & vice-versa.

Just to be clear this is only across the Atlantic.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:43 am

I agree AA is very generous. Booking my summer trip in August well in advance, AA and Oneworld had tons of options. All other alliances had almost none (if not none). Only complaint, you can not change your non AA flights after ticketing your award travel without a fee. Why? It makes things a royal pain. Delta allows you to change whatever flights on their alliance partners. AA says it is because they can't re-ticket other airlines (everything is electronic now, so it shouldn't be a problem). But hey at least they offer award seats in coach!
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles.

As far as I know, that is incorrect. AA allows you to accrue miles on every published fare in its system (this obviously excludes wholesale/consolidator fares, though). You receive 100% mileage for all miles flown. However, some fares do not accrue elite qualifying points at 100% rate. Very cheap, deeply discounted Y fares only accrue 50% of the Q-points. I think that the whole Q-miles/Q-points system AA has is so unique and a huge benefit to AA FFs. For more info, see http://members.shaw.ca/fewmiles/AA/index2.html
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:33 am

DavidJ:

It would probably be best to choose the FF program of the airline you will be using more(AA or IB).

I say that because in order to reach the higher status(Oneworld Ruby, Emerald, or Saphire) you need to accrue a certain amount of miles/points on the issuing carrier.

For example, lets say if you had the IB FF card and you flew more on AA, in essence not achieving the correct amount of points on pure IB flights....you would not get transferred to the next card level.

So in the end, basically you need to choose which one you will be using more.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:59 am

Quoting Shawnnyc (Reply 14):
AA says it is because they can't re-ticket other airlines (everything is electronic now, so it shouldn't be a problem).

On some interlines, even within OW, you have to get a paper ticket.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 15):

As far as I know, that is incorrect. AA allows you to accrue miles on every published fare in its system (this obviously excludes wholesale/consolidator fares, though). You receive 100% mileage for all miles flown. However, some fares do not accrue elite qualifying points at 100% rate. Very cheap, deeply discounted Y fares only accrue 50% of the Q-points.

Exactly right. Also, premium fares accumulate more than 100% of the points, so you get status faster.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting EddieDude (Reply 4):
Something about AA that is terrible is that not all fares of coach service entitle you to accrue miles.

You will accrue miles on ALL AA flights - including AA code shares. If you fly other Oneworld, not AA code share flights, then the fare base does make a difference. I flew 30,000 miles on CX before I knew about this.

Another nice to know is, if you are on the elite status (i.e. Gold, Platinum, etc...) and fly other Oneworld flights, you may or maynot get the bonus miles.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:44 am

Quoting Aeronuts (Reply 18):
You will accrue miles on ALL AA flights - including AA code shares. If you fly other Oneworld, not AA code share flights, then the fare base does make a difference. I flew 30,000 miles on CX before I knew about thi

OK here's a question.....

If the flight you're on is a code share, but your ticket isn't booked as a code share, does AA still consider it "their" flight in terms of your AAdvantage mileage accrual or is it subject to the fare rules published on the AAdvanatge page with regards to Oneworld members.

Reason I ask is I have a QF flight coming up that will be a code share for AA but I have it booked through Qantas. If I accumulate mileage based on AA's QF Oneworld rules, I'll get 25% of the total mileage. If it's booked as a code share I'll get 100%.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:09 pm

777STL: The codeshare makes a difference.

For example, I'm a Qantas Frequent Flyer and fly PER-MEL/SYD-LAX-SFO semi-regularly. I no longer earn points for LAX-SFO because of fare class, however in the past, if the flight was booked under the QF flight number I earned the minimum 1000 points for a QF flight, however if it was booked under the AA flight number I only rearned the minimum 500 points for an AA flight.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:16 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
If the flight you're on is a code share, but your ticket isn't booked as a code share, does AA still consider it "their" flight in terms of your AAdvantage mileage accrual or is it subject to the fare rules published on the AAdvanatge page with regards to Oneworld members.

It depends on the airline. If you are flying on a oneworld partner, you accrue miles whether it is an AA codeshare flight or not (except, of course, BA transatlantic from LHR). However, if it is a non-oneworld partner, then you only accrue miles on AA coded flights.
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:21 pm

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
f the flight you're on is a code share, but your ticket isn't booked as a code share, does AA still consider it "their" flight in terms of your AAdvantage mileage accrual or is it subject to the fare rules published on the AAdvanatge page with regards to Oneworld members.

If it's not booked as a code share, it's not a code share  Wink

Example with OW partner:
- If you fly BA LHR-EDI with an AA fllight number, you get the full amount of AA miles as if you were flying AA.
- If you fly BA LHR-EDI with a BA flight number, you get a smaller amount of AA miles (somewhere around a quarter I have noticed).
- This is regardless of the ticket issuer.

With non OW partner it's as Commavia explains it. Only miles on AA coded flights.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:49 am

If you're an AAdvantage member, you won't get miles on BA US-UK transatlantic flights only. You will still earn miles on BA flights (subject to certain booking classes) if you fly to/from Canada, Mexico/Latin America/Caribbean, & South America.

If you're booked on an AA codeshare flight, you will earn miles and bonus miles ONLY if you're an elite (Gold, Plat and Exec Plat) member. eg flight between TPE -LAX on BR. If you're booked on BR ticket on a BR flight number, you earn no miles. But if you have an AA flight number on BR plane, you will earn miles.

ON CX and QF flights, only certain fare codes allow mileage accrual. Be sure to check out the information on aa.com

Click on the appropriate airline for more information on mileage accrual on AAdvantage: http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...?anchorEvent=false&partnerType=Air
 
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 21):
If you are flying on a oneworld partner, you accrue miles whether it is an AA codeshare flight or not (except, of course, BA transatlantic from LHR)

Blatantly false. Check out the number of fare classes in coach on Aer Lingus between the US and Ireland that don't earn miles in the AAdvantage program, even though they're a OneWorld partner. Only Y, H, and K earn miles on EI in coach.

http://www.aa.com/apps/AAdvantage/Vi...scriptor=AAdvantagePartnersContent

Quoting GuyBetsy1 (Reply 23):
If you're booked on BR ticket on a BR flight number, you earn no miles. But if you have an AA flight number on BR plane, you will earn miles.

Absolutely correct, because Eva isn't a member of AAdvantage, but AA code-shares on their flights, so you have to fly as a code-share to earn the miles.
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RE: Oneworld Frequent Flyer Programs

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 22):
With non OW partner it's as Commavia explains it. Only miles on AA coded flights.

To add to my post above (I had to find the right citation for it), the statement that you only receive AAdvantage miles on AA-coded flights on flights operated by other airlines is also incorrect.

The "earning miles" section of the AAdvantage program at aa.com makes this quite clear. If an airline is an AAdvantage member, you may earn miles for the qualifying fare classes, even if the airline is not a OneWorld member, and it doesn't have to be on an AA-coded flight.

Secondly, Alaska is an oddity in the AAdvantage program. You can credit your Alaska/Horizon flights to AAdvantage and earn miles, EQP's, and class of service bonuses in the AAdvantage program, even though Alaska/Horizon aren't OneWorld members.

What does all this mean? Use the web and the phone to make sure you know what earns what before you step on a plane, or give out a mileage program number, if you want to maximize your earning capabilities.
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