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Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:13 pm

I suppose the title is pretty straight forward. Does EK or another carrier have the legs to make it to IAD or BWI? Assuming that they do have the range for it, are there any reasons why they would not start the route. I would think that the DC area would be a good yield route for them.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:29 pm

They'd have at least one full-fare business class passenger in me if they did, as I fly between DC and DXB 4 times round trip every year as i am now living in Dubai.

Right now I go through FRA on LH/UA or LHR on BA, better than dealing with the long flight then a short flight on EK/Whatever through JFK
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:33 pm

I think a 787/350 would be better for BWI/IAD rather than a 345!

Do any Arab/Middle Eastern airlines currently serve IAD or BWI?

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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:38 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Do any Arab/Middle Eastern airlines currently serve IAD or BWI?

SV serves IAD several times a week
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 10:41 pm

Saudia has service into IAD from JED stopping in JFK and service from RUH through JED and JFK on Wednesdays and Saturdays. They're currently using 777 service though I thought for some reason they were using a 744 before.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:29 pm

Any idea what the loads are like on the SAVE flights? I would think that they get some good loads with lobbyists and what not coming out of DC.

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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 5):
Any idea what the loads are like on the SAVE flights? I would think that they get some good loads with lobbyists and what not coming out of DC.

They clearly are not extraordinary, or else the flights would not stop in New York City. The flight is flown mainly for political purposes, and I doubt that SV makes money on their DC services.
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:15 am

Are there any business synergies between IAD and DXB? However this seems a good option for ethnic/business travel from the mid-Atlantic area to the Indian subcontinent.

[Edited 2005-06-02 23:16:13]
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:01 am

I just spoke to an EK Reservations agent on their 1800 # in JFK as I had some work with them concerning a PNR and she told me that the next EK destination is ORD or SFO and then EWR and IAD will be considered but ORD and SFO are the next 2 in line for EK she confirmed.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:26 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 8):
just spoke to an EK Reservations agent on their 1800 # in JFK as I had some work with them concerning a PNR and she told me that the next EK destination is ORD or SFO and then EWR and IAD will be considered but ORD and SFO are the next 2 in line for EK she confirmed.

And both of them UA hubs.
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:37 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 8):
I just spoke to an EK Reservations agent on their 1800 # in JFK as I had some work with them concerning a PNR and she told me that the next EK destination is ORD or SFO and then EWR and IAD will be considered but ORD and SFO are the next 2 in line for EK she confirmed.

Are they flying to LAX...? And if not, why SFO before LAX...?

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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:53 am

SFO because to tap into the India/Arabia-SFO high yielding IT-Computer sofware market segment. Unfortunately EK doesnt fly to BLR but it does to HYD which is a big IT hub city in India too. But BLR-DXB-SFO flights would have been the icing on the cake 4 them if they got the opportunity.

Also SFO/San Jose area combined has more Indians living there than the LAX area.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:04 am

Behramjee

Wouldn't the fact that airlines from India such as Air India and Jet are going to have ULR aircraft in their inventories, suggest that Air India and Jet are better poised to offer direct BLR-SFO and HYD-SFO services, thereby undercutting EK's strategy of flying through DXB. The only possibility that I would see for EK grabbing market share would then be on the basis of price, by undercutting airlines that have direct routing.

Also, has anyone heard whether any airlines from the US are planning on having direct flights to BLR or HYD.

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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:43 am

Quoting AirScoot (Reply 4):
Saudia has service into IAD from JED stopping in JFK and service from RUH through JED and JFK on Wednesdays and Saturdays. They're currently using 777 service though I thought for some reason they were using a 744 before.

They actually fly Thursdays and Sundays  Smile
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:37 pm

Hanging out,

Most don't know this, but roughly 50% of the total population of the UAE is indians.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:48 pm

I had a long chat with the US sales managers at EK. SFO was scheduled next, but put on hold due to fuel prices (don't you just love the irony!). The A345 aircraft had already been secured for the route, but redeployed elsewhere. They now have hard numbers on the profitability of ultra long haul operations from their JFK flight. They figure that fuel needs to remain under $50 a barrel for the SFO operation to turn a profit.

One reason for EK's phenominal success is that they run the airline very frugally. They will not commence a new route until they are absolutely sure they can operate it profitably.

If fuel prices do go down, I'm not sure when the route is next up for reconsideration.
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:15 pm

Quoting PA110 (Reply 15):
I had a long chat with the US sales managers at EK. SFO was scheduled next, but put on hold due to fuel prices (don't you just love the irony!). The A345 aircraft had already been secured for the route, but redeployed elsewhere. They now have hard numbers on the profitability of ultra long haul operations from their JFK flight. They figure that fuel needs to remain under $50 a barrel for the SFO operation to turn a profit.

Could be about fuel prices, but personally I don't buy it. SFO is their number two destination in the US because it is the #2 Indian-American population center in the US (notice they don't want to serve Detroit, the #1 Arab center in the US). They delayed the flight becuase of all the liberalization in the Indian market. As good as EK's service between the US and DXB is, on the DXB - India route you probabaly have to deal with a high density configuration. When given a reasonable choice, most indians and Indian-Americans choose to not fly through the Middle East, and I think EK is finally realizing that India may not be their "give me" destination.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:32 pm

I think EK is also delaying DXB to SFO because the A345 would have to be configured in reduced seating configuration to fly DXB-SFO nonstop year-round. That would drive CASM on the flight very high, to say the least. Maybe this might explain why EK may end up buying the 777-200LR and/or converting some of their 777-300ER orders/options to the 772LR, with an announcement to be made at the Paris Air Show? With the 772LR's potential range of 9,400 nautical miles, this gives a substantial safety margin for the westward flight from DXB to SFO, especially in Northern Hemisphere winters.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:26 am

I wish they would... I'm itching to try JFK-DXB-LOS-ACC, booked far enough out the fare is consistently 400-500usd less than IAD/JFK-LHR-ACC on BA in Y. But, I don't think I'd bother with EK over BA if I was in J. I like NCW too much.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting Arkhem (Reply 18):
I wish they would... I'm itching to try JFK-DXB-LOS-ACC, booked far enough out the fare is consistently 400-500usd less than IAD/JFK-LHR-ACC on BA in Y. But, I don't think I'd bother with EK over BA if I was in J. I like NCW too much.

You understand that going to DXB first to get to ACC is like flying from DXB to LAX then going back to JFK (or longer)? Or are you doing it for the thrill of it? A 4000 mile difference!
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 11):
But BLR-DXB-SFO flights would have been the icing on the cake 4 them if they got the opportunity.

This would have been great had it been launched in the past, but now (winter 05) with 4 airlines offering 1 stop BLR-SFO (KL, AF, BA and LH), I don't think EK has a chance to make too much money on this route. And once SQ/TG launch non-stops to SFO (not sure if that's planned though), that will add another couple of one stop services.

The non-stops BLR-SFO are not worth discussing at the moment, given the state of the AI or 9W ULR aircraft.

Given EK's phenomenal push into Europe, specifically the UK, I wonder why they aren't moving more aggressively in the US. Is it due to the lack of equipment to offer non-stops?
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
Is it due to the lack of equipment to offer non-stops?

That, and the fact that there simply isn't much demand by USA travelers to fly to DXB which is not already fulfilled by other carriers.
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting Nimish (Reply 20):
And once SQ/TG launch non-stops to SFO (not sure if that's planned though), that will add another couple of one stop services.

SQ flights will be much longer than the one offered by BA, LH, and others with one stop through EU. TG will be more competitive time wise(perhaps price wise too), but would involve a very short flight and then an extremely long flight, which, IMO is not very attractive relative to EU one stop options.
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:09 am

Quoting RayChuang (Reply 17):
I think EK is also delaying DXB to SFO because the A345 would have to be configured in reduced seating configuration to fly DXB-SFO nonstop year-round.

Are you sure, i know DXB is hot, but that route is a good 1,600nm's under the A345's (372t) 8,650nm range.

EK have quite a light configuration in their A345's anyway (250ish seats), less than in their A343's, and two class A332's!
 
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RE: Will EK Ever Fly To Washington DC?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:54 am

talking about accra, i was on a dxb-acc and the guy sitting next to me flew HNL-LAX-LHR-DXB-ACC Weird routine
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