katekebo
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Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:16 pm

http://www.iht.com/articles/2005/06/02/business/airbus03.php

quote:

"The delay that Airbus announced on Wednesday in delivery dates of its A380 jumbo jet is linked to production problems at one of its main parts plants in Germany..."

"...the Hamburg problems had more to do with production misunderstandings or failures than with any safety or quality-related issues, the sources said, and the problems are not related to suppliers."

"The Airbus sources also insisted that none of the delay was related to problems with the aircraft's weight or performance."
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:19 pm

oops, clicked on the post button too early, before finishing my note.

The reasons stated in the article are quite different to the explanation given just a day or two before by Airbus management - who blamed the delays on interiors customization.

This does not help Airbus credibility.
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:21 pm

Do you have a link to Airbus management blaming it on interior customization? I havne't seen such a comment from them; only speculation to that effect on a.net.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:25 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...fp/francetransportair_050601175500

quote:

"Airbus said Wednesday the delays were due to production problems linked to the cabin fittings demanded by the different clients.

"The first 15 planes to produce are completely different, one from another," an Airbus spokesman said."
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:25 pm

Quoting Jean Leloup (Reply 2):
Do you have a link to Airbus management blaming it on interior customization?



Quote:
Leahy said in an interview that he was embarrassed about the delays, but he attributed it, in part, to the new cabin configurations on the A380 sought by customers.

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/226713_airbus02.html
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Thu Jun 02, 2005 11:35 pm

I figured there must have been more to it than the interior issues. Obviously the interiors are complex... but for a company that was touting day spas and resturants, you'd think some seats and galleys wouldn't be so bad  Wink.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:28 am

Thanks! Ok, so, attributed in part to issues with cabin fittings. And if you read the whole article linked to in the thread starter, it still says that cabin fittings are part of the problem. (Not to take away from the importance of the main revelation of the article.) So I don't see any reason to suggest that earlier comments about cabin configurations were lies, and thus I don't see this as a huge credibility problem.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:54 am

Ehh, guys... The interior designing and production for the A380 is also in Hamburg if I recall the documentary on Discovery correctly. I don't see any problems here. Airbus says it's having difficulties with the interiors which are being made at Hamburg. Why the fuss about this article. I think it's the wiring of the cabins... So, nothing wrong with Airbus' credibility.

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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:59 am

Katekebo, there´s a small button down to the right called EDIT, use that.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:00 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 3):
"Airbus said Wednesday the delays were due to production problems linked to the cabin fittings demanded by the different clients.

"The first 15 planes to produce are completely different, one from another," an Airbus spokesman said."



Quoting Katekebo (Thread starter):
The delay that Airbus announced on Wednesday in delivery dates of its A380 jumbo jet is linked to production problems at one of its main parts plants in Germany..."

Perhaps the cabin fittings in the first release are the parts referred to in the later release.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:10 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 7):
Ehh, guys... The interior designing and production for the A380 is also in Hamburg if I recall the documentary on Discovery correctly. I don't see any problems here. Airbus says it's having difficulties with the interiors which are being made at Hamburg. Why the fuss about this article. I think it's the wiring of the cabins... So, nothing wrong with Airbus' credibility.

Cheers!

Yep that's correct. The cabin interiors are taken care of in Hamburg so it makes sense that both articles are valid and not just "lies".
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 1):
This does not help Airbus credibility.

Searching for scandle under every rock is far less credible.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:47 am

Airbus official communications during the last months have not been precisely very professional.

First, immediately after B787 launch, they dismissed it as a non-threat saying that A330 could easily compete against the new Boeing. Now, roughtly 6 months later, they acknowledged that they have gone through a 4th iteration of performance specs in order to close the gap between A350 and B787.

Now, immediately after announcing a flawless initial tests of the A380, they communicate a 6 months delay in delivery to customers.

Also, contrary to Boeing practice, they only list new orders on their web page and conviniently avoid showing any cancellations.

Not a very coherent and professional message.
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:55 am

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 12):
Also, contrary to Boeing practice, they only list new orders on their web page and conviniently avoid showing any cancellations.

Not a very coherent and professional message.

I smell an A-B war smouldering here. Why should Airbus do everything the same way Boeing does it? Or vice-versa, for that matter. This is a tempest in a teapot.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:17 am

I don't think Airbus is the only one to blame for having different stories out in the open. I also think the media isn't doing a great job on aviation coverage these days. Journalists (and also sometimes the A.net community) tend to tell their own story or just what suits their needs.

20 different journalists mean 20 different stories while they are in the same press room...  blockhead 

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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:22 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 14):
20 different journalists mean 20 different stories while they are in the same press room...

And all 20 of them have no f****** clue what they're talking about be it Boeing, Airbus, Fokker or Embraer! Sad...
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:23 am

I would think that the A380 has one hell of a big setup for the various IFE options! Customers are going to want the top of the line in the aircraft, and that's a lot of potential bugs to work out.

Are any going to have Connexions or similar systems available at their EIS? That's even more complexity.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:09 am

Just a question on the weight and performance aspects... Will the 380 be able to operate from Denver during our hot season? I've been told that with Denver being high in alt. and when it gets hot the ability to lift goes in the toliet.. Just wondering

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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:35 pm

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 12):
Not a very coherent and professional message.

Thats europe for you  old  I'm surprised everyone hasn't worked this out already..

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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:27 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 17):
Just a question on the weight and performance aspects... Will the 380 be able to operate from Denver during our hot season? I've been told that with Denver being high in alt. and when it gets hot the ability to lift goes in the toliet.. Just wondering

I don't think even airbus can answer this question for you at the moment. All we know so far is that the aircraft has outdone it's flight envelope pulished on paper based on the designs, but there is not much disclosed so I guess we'll have to wait and see.

How long is the runway at Denver and what is the aerodrome altitude?
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:41 pm

I would expect to hear a detailed update on the A380 at Paris. Confirmation of any delays in delivery, but also confirmation that the plane is performing better than expected given it's limited flying time so far.

Given this will also be the first 'public' showing of the A380, I'd be very surprised if one or two new customers weren't announced.  wink 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:53 pm

True for the 772LR as well, no doubt. Haven't heard much about that flight testing from Boeing, other than where it will be on the way to Paris, and some random cities it will visit over time.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:58 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 20):
I would expect to hear a detailed update on the A380 at Paris. Confirmation of any delays in delivery, but also confirmation that the plane is performing better than expected given it's limited flying time so far.

Given this will also be the first 'public' showing of the A380, I'd be very surprised if one or two new customers weren't announced.

You're probably right...

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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:08 pm

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 22):
I can't wait Are you going to the show as well?

Afraid not.  crying  I'm having to limit myself to Moscow in August and Dubai in November. Too many air shows, too little time.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:11 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 23):
Moscow in August and Dubai in November.

Yeah life is tough eh, going to all those places  tongue 

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 23):
Afraid not

Alright, I'll do my best to not rub it in too much when I am back  innocent 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:49 pm

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 12):
Now, roughtly 6 months later, they acknowledged that they have gone through a 4th iteration of performance specs in order to close the gap between A350 and B787.

Since when has Airbus stated that they have altered the specs on the plane, to close the gap between the A350 and B787? I would put my money on Boeing altering its specs of the B787 before commercial service.

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 12):
Now, immediately after announcing a flawless initial tests of the A380, they communicate a 6 months delay in delivery to customers

Lets just wait until the B787 starts flying then well talk.
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:37 pm

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 1):
This does not help Airbus credibility.

With whom? I don't think Airbus could care less about its credibility with members of this forum. How many airlines have cancelled orders as a result of this delay? Answer - none, so your comment about credibility is silly to say the least.
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:45 pm

I think it is the pillows. Very difficult to get them just right.
 
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RE: Airbus Provides Additional Info On A380 Delays

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:54 am

Now apparently Airbus factories are starting to fight each other over they cause of the delay.

http://today.reuters.com/Stocks/Quot....L&storyID=171891+03-Jun-2005+RTRS

Yesterday, one Airbus spokesman blamed Airbus Hamburg plant for the delays. Today Airbus Germany is denying it.

Very professional....

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