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Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:35 am

I have found a source that confirms to me that several major airlines have been meeting with Boeing lately, indicating they might shopping or at least interested in new aircraft.

So I thought I'd share what information I had and get some speculation from you guys as to what may come of it.  smile  (Most of the information I have regards an airline and a time, but not a specific aircraft they were shown/pitched. Though one of the airlines is specific.)

Specifically:

  • Qantas was here in January (772LR or 747Advanced?), as was EVA (747Advanced I think).

  • EVA was here again in March (a 2nd pitch, shows more serious interest to me), as well as Emirates (772LR).

  • Cathay Pacific and Lufthansa were here in April.

  • The 747Advanced Freighter and the 777F were pitched to unnamed airlines in February, and again in May, though this presentation was in Dubai. (The location of the May meeting tends to tell us something I think.  wink  Wink

    Finally, and the most interesting piece, at least to me:

  • The 747Advanced was specifically shown to Singapore (SQ) in May.

So what do you guys make of all these confirmed airline visits to the Big B?  Big grin

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:30 am

I would offer the suggestion that the playing field is finding a balance again. Airbus enjoyed probably more of the market share for sometime, but now Boeing is recovering. This is no different to the old days when Boeing and McDonald Douglas fought it out for market share. Eventually there was a good split between 707, 727, 737 and the DC-8, 9 series.

Boeing is probably being more competitive and maybe the companies you mentioned are somewhat loyal to Boeing.
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:49 am

For what it's worth, ILFC recently made an order for 2 (now it appears to be for 3) 772ER's to be leased to AM early 2006. In addition, AM is getting more 737NG aircraft, some of them new, some of them second-hand probably, some purchased and perhaps some lease. Among them, theoretically, 6 -800's (likely with blended winglets). Boeing is very interested in keeping AM happy, especially because AM decided to replace its DC-9/MD-8x fleet with 737NG aircraft (thus becoming an all-Boeing operator) and because Airbus sent a high level team to Mexico City some months ago to try to sell the A340 to AM for its flights to MAD and CDG. In addition, I believe AM is one of the airlines that cooperated with feedback in the design of the 787.
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:56 am

The question is, how many of these displays will result in an order?
 
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 4:01 am

I wonder if the 787 was pitched (re-pitched) to LH and perhaps SQ? Those would be very important orders for that program.
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 5:47 am

Quoting BOAC707 (Reply 1):
This is no different to the old days when Boeing and McDonald Douglas fought it out for market share

When I want a Big Mac with my airplane, I'll go to McDonald Douglas... Until then, I'll continue to purchase from McDONNELL DOUGLAS... Sorry, it just miffs me when people, especially airline fanatics get that one wrong...  Angry
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:00 am

Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 5):
When I want a Big Mac with my airplane, I'll go to McDonald Douglas... Until then, I'll continue to purchase from McDONNELL DOUGLAS... Sorry, it just miffs me when people, especially airline fanatics get that one wrong...

Point taken. However, part of the confusion stems from the fact that the patriarch of the original Douglas Aircraft Corporation was Donald Douglas.

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Thread starter):
I have found a source that confirms to me that several major airlines have been meeting with Boeing lately, indicating they might shopping or at least interested in new aircraft.

I concluse nothing out of this. Back in the days when Fokker was alive and kicking, the company got representatives from a lot of airlines knocking on their door on an almost daily basis. People visiting from an airline doesn't mean a lot. They can just be there to see the latest on maintenance.

KLM sends people to factories a lot just for networking. Not only for sales, but also for technical support.

So, no big thing in my opinion.

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 7):
KLM sends people to factories a lot just for networking. Not only for sales, but also for technical support.

So, no big thing in my opinion.

Lifeliner - They were here specifically for marketing presentations / to meet with our sales representatives. I made no mention of other visits (which there are many), I was talking only about meetings with our sales & marketing people... which to me, means they're at least partially interested or in the market...

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:54 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 8):

Random question, but have you met or do you know Randy B?
 
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:01 am

Quoting NorCal (Reply 9):
Random question, but have you met or do you know Randy B?

Nope, I've heard him speak several times and been in meetings with him; but I don't know him. I've meet Alan Mulally though and got the chance to grill him about the 747 Advanced last year. Run a search through archived Civil Av for more information..

Why do you ask?

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:10 am

SQ,LH,CX,QF and EV are all potential 747A customers - thus is sounds like Boeing may be getting very serious about lauching the updated 747 product. This is obviously nothing more than a guess, but Boeing has to make a decision soon if its going to stay in the large aircraft market and offer something bigger than the 773 to its customers. Time is becoming of the essence, the backlog of orders for the 744 is getting shorter and shorter, and as the oldest 744s are nearing 15 years of age, airlines (especially those such as SQ which fly a very young fleet) will soon be finalizing their fleet plans for the coming decade.

Maybe we will get an answer at Paris.
 
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:13 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 8):
which to me, means they're at least partially interested or in the market...

I think airlines are always partially interested in the market. However, I do know that when things are getting more serious Airbus and back in the days, Fokker, send out it's people to the airlines.

Ah well, I do hope something comes out! Would be very cool to see the B747 getting a new impulse!

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:16 am

I think we may see the 747 Advanced launched very soon, with the freighter version launched first. I can foresee the air cargo divisions of CX, KE, LH and SQ lining up to buy the plane, along with CargoLux, NCA, and a few others!

Besides commonality with current 747 freighters, the 747 Advanced freighter can carry outsized cargo, something that the A380-800F can't do.
 
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:29 am

Means absolutely nothing that the airlines have been to Seattle/Chicago.

Airlines keep themselves up to date on products from all manufacturers constantly. Even Southwest is regularly briefed on Airbus products.

It's part of doing business effectively. Until contracts are signed, speculation is just so much hot air and cheerleading whoever the manufacturer is. If this activity did not go on then shareholders and board members would be asking awkward questions of the various leaderships.

It is also good practice for the manufacturer as it means relationships and data are exchanged for potential orders which haven't even been formulated or discussed yet.
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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:36 am

I'd love to see the 747 Advanced get some orders...

In regards to the frequent confusion regarding the name of McDonnell Douglas, remember you're talking about two companies named after founders with Scottish names, that have a lot of similiarity. It is pure serendipity that the company of Donald Douglas was taken over by McDonell, rather than by Lockheed or Northrop. Imagine Lockheed Douglas...doesn't have the same ring to it by any means...

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RE: Airlines Shopping For New Boeings?

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:14 am

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 10):

Just wondering thats all.

I'll search for that thread about Alan and the 747A

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