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AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:10 am

Air Canada introduces new non-stop routes Canada-wide; North American fleet renewal brings more point-to-point services and improved schedules

MONTREAL, June 2 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today announced the
introduction of a series of new non-stop services between Edmonton-Regina,
Edmonton-Saskatoon, Hamilton-Montreal, Hamilton-Ottawa, Calgary-Las Vegas,
Vancouver-Las Vegas and an improved schedule between Montreal and Las Vegas.
The new routes will be operated by Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz, and are
being implemented to respond to new market opportunities made possible with
the renewal of the carriers' fleets that has now begun with the delivery of
new, smaller jet aircraft.
"With the arrival of new, modern and fuel-efficient aircraft in our North
American fleets, Air Canada is now able to implement significant network
improvements that will benefit consumers with more point-to-point, non-stop
flights and enhanced schedules," said Ben Smith, Vice President, Network
Planning. "The introduction of new Embraer and Canadair Regional Jet aircraft
beginning this year allows us to redeploy existing aircraft to pursue new
market opportunities and meet travellers' needs with the best schedules, the
most choice and the lowest fares on an everyday basis."

With the renewal of its North American fleet, Air Canada will introduce
the following new services:

Edmonton-Regina: Effective August 1, 2005, Air Canada Jazz will introduce
twice daily non-stop flights operated using 37-seat Dash 8-100 aircraft. Air
Canada will thus offer the most flights between these cities and the
opportunity for same-day return itineraries, as well as connections to/from
Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray. To promote the new route, Air Canada is
offering a special introductory fare starting at $99 until July 2, 2005 for
travel until September 30, 2005.

Edmonton-Saskatoon: Effective August 1, 2005, Air Canada Jazz will
introduce twice daily non-stop flights operated using 50-seat Dash 8-300
aircraft. Air Canada will thus offer the most flights between these cities and
the opportunity for same-day return itineraries, as well as connections
to/from Grande Prairie and Fort McMurray. To promote the new route, Air Canada
is offering a special introductory fare starting at $79 until July 2, 2005 for
travel until September 30, 2005.

Hamilton-Montreal: Effective September 18, 2005, Air Canada Jazz will
introduce four daily non-stop flights operated using 50-seat Canadair Regional
Jet aircraft. Air Canada will thus offer the only non-stop flights between
these cities and the opportunity for same-day return itineraries, as well as
convenient connections at its Montreal hub. To promote the new route, Air
Canada is offering a special introductory fare starting at $99 until July 2,
2005 for travel until October 31, 2005.

Hamilton-Ottawa: Effective September 18, 2005, Air Canada Jazz will
introduce three daily non-stop flights operated using 50-seat Canadair
Regional Jet aircraft. Air Canada will thus offer the most non-stop flights
between these cities and the opportunity for same-day return itineraries. To
promote the new route, Air Canada is offering a special introductory fare
starting at $89 until July 2, 2005 for travel until October 31, 2005.

Vancouver-Las Vegas: Effective October 30, 2005, Air Canada will
introduce daily non-stop flights operated using 120-seat Airbus A319 aircraft.
To promote the new route, Air Canada is offering a special introductory fare
starting at $149 for travel until December 11, 2005.

Calgary-Las Vegas: Effective October 30, 2005, Air Canada will introduce
daily non-stop flights operated using 120-seat Airbus A319 aircraft. Air
Canada will thus offer the only daily service between these two cities, in
addition to convenient connections in Calgary to points within Air Canada's
extensive network in Western Canada as well as to/from London, UK and
Frankfurt. To promote the new route, Air Canada is offering a special
introductory fare starting at $149 for travel until December 11, 2005.

Montreal-Las Vegas: Effective October 30, 2005, Air Canada will increase
service from twice weekly to daily non-stop flights operated using 120-seat
Airbus A319 aircraft. In addition, Air Canada will offer an improved schedule
featuring convenient daytime departures.

Air Canada Jazz took delivery of its first 75-seat CRJ-705 aircraft on
May 27, 2005 and will be taking delivery of up to three new CRJ-705 aircraft
per month for a total of 15 by December 2005.
The new CRJ-705s are being introduced on the following routes: Calgary-
Houston (June 1, 2005), Toronto-Houston (July 1, 2005) and Toronto-Dallas
(August 1, 2005). Customers will have a choice of Hospitality or Executive
Class service, a new feature on the Toronto-Houston and Dallas routes.
Executive Class offers 37 inches of legroom, and Hospitality service offers an
industry leading 34 inches of legroom. Both cabins feature all-leather
seating, and in-seat audio and personal television systems will be installed
beginning in the fall 2005.
Air Canada will begin taking delivery of the first of 15 Embraer 175
aircraft in July 2005, joining 45 Embraer 190 aircraft set to begin delivery
in November 2005.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:11 am

Sadly, I don't see YYZ-SAN returning...I miss that one.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Sadly, I don't see YYZ-SAN returning...I miss that one.

Wait until 2006. New acft are arriving and this route will return.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:17 am

Any possibility of the return of RDU-YUL? Will RDU-YYZ go to one of the C75/E75 for the F class?
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 6:31 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 3):
Any possibility of the return of RDU-YUL? Will RDU-YYZ go to one of the C75/E75 for the F class?

AFAIK, they never flew it, they flew RDU-YOW.

And there is simply not a market to support RDU-YUL. US Airways Express twice tried, twice failed to fly YUL-CLT, despite the fact both are Star Alliance hubs.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:15 am

Any chance we will see a YEG-SFO using the CR705??? That is a destination YEG so needs and I think the 75 seater is quite suitable...
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:22 am

Lots of Vegas service increase. Is this seasonal only?
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:29 am

I see Jazz is taking on CanJet on the YHM-YOW route. That one will probably be a bit of a battle ground. When WestJet flew the route they had 5 daily 737s, but had more connecting feed than what will now be available.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:30 am

Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 5):
Any chance we will see a YEG-SFO using the CR705??? That is a destination YEG so needs and I think the 75 seater is quite suitable...

If Air Canada reenters Spokane, it will be from Calgary (liked it used to be until 2003) or Vancouver, not Edmonton.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 7:31 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 6):
Lots of Vegas service increase. Is this seasonal only?

The flights have yet to be loaded in our computers, so I am unsure at this time. However, with HP having a hub in Vegas and the US/HP merger it looks like AC is looking to add feed onto the merged airlines network as well as offer more service to Vegas.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:24 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 8):
Quoting Yegbey01 (Reply 5):
Any chance we will see a YEG-SFO using the CR705??? That is a destination YEG so needs and I think the 75 seater is quite suitable...

If Air Canada reenters Spokane, it will be from Calgary (liked it used to be until 2003) or Vancouver, not Edmonton.

um...last I checked SFO was San Francisco, California and not Spokane, Washington.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:46 am

how about YUL/BWI...or maybe YYC/NYC?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:45 am

I notice that the Vegas flights are in October. It looks like they are moving fast on their HP/US deal. I would imagine these will be permanent additions to the route network since they are aiming to have these run from gates next to HP/US with US codeshares on them. They hope to use Vegas-Vancouver to funnel traffic onto the asian network. Using Vegas-Calgary to go to Europe doesn't make as much sense since they might as well fly to Toronto where there are more European connections, but the connections to western Canada from there should work (Saskatoon, Regina, and Winnipeg).

I would like to see YXU-YWG and YHM-YWG for western connections. YXU-YYZ used to get delayed frequently due to traffic and YXU-YWG would avoid that.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting ACYWG (Reply 10):

um...last I checked SFO was San Francisco, California and not Spokane, Washington.

Very true. I have no idea why I though Spokane, probably from the "EG" in YEG. None the less, I think YEG-SFO has great potential. I don't see AC doing it though, but it would be a good route for America West. AC flew a daily YEG-SFO service during the summer of 2001. It was launched as a seasonal service, but never returned.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:12 am

Any new AC routes coming to MIA ?
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:24 am

I still hoping to get the Dash-8's back in PVD... irked 
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 10:37 am

MAH4564...you are correct, YEG-SFO was flown during the summer of 2001 using the old CP 732s...I flew a couple time that summer...allost always full planes both directions....

At any rate, AC has two flights from YYC to SFO in addition to two CR7's flown by UAL ....so the market to Alberta is looked after alright....
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:09 am

Interesting, someone mentioned BWI. I feel that BWI was always a possibility for AC from YUL...I don't know why they haven't tried it yet. I guess the market just isn't there.

Regarding YUL-CLT...the market size for that route is about 26,000 pax per year, which is enough for a daily non-stop with a CRJ. I don't exactly know why this route was cut, but last I heard, it WAS doing pretty well.

YUL-RDU: I guess the YUL-RDU market is smaller than the YUL-CLT market. If YUL-CLT can't work, neither can YUL-RDU looks like.

Wait until AC adds more EMBs and CRJ-705s to their fleet...then you'll see them connecting the dots and adding even more route, thin routes.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 12:35 pm

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 4):
AFAIK, they never flew it, they flew RDU-YOW.

And there is simply not a market to support RDU-YUL. US Airways Express twice tried, twice failed to fly YUL-CLT, despite the fact both are Star Alliance hubs.

Unless I'm not remembering correctly, and that could really be the case, AC has flown RDU-YYZ/YUL.. Canadian Regional (?? or something like that) flew RDU-YOW on F28.. The RDU-YUL was dropped when AC went from flying their DC-9 into RDU to their CRJ.

I don't know the RDU-YUL vs CLT-YUL market numbers.. all I know is AC flies 2 RJ to CLT and 3 to RDU.. US flies 2 RJ and 2 733 to YYZ (probably more for connecting that O&D).. Also, CLT and RDU are 2 different markets.. what could work for one would not necessarily work for the other..

And it is rumored AC wants to return F class to RDU for the business passengers.. but I can't confirm that, so it could be hearsay..
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:00 pm

I dont think it is much of a big secret we may see a lot of connecting the dots between the new US Airways and Air Canada.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:16 pm

I don't think Air Canada ever flew YUL-RDU.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:29 pm

I know that its whishful thinking, and its just something small, but I wish i could see AC make YYZ-PIT a CRJ flight again!
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:46 pm

Anyone know how AC is doing on the DEN-YYZ flight?

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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 1:55 pm

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 14):
Any new AC routes coming to MIA ?

Look for YVR-MIA/YYC-MIA in fall announcements.

Quoting PITA333 (Reply 21):
but I wish i could see AC make YYZ-PIT a CRJ flight again!

Likely be upguaged to a mix of DH8-300's and an odd CRJ flight in the fall.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:19 pm

As quoted in forum -ACJAZZ CRJ705'S-



ACJAZZ will ops CR705 YYZ-EWR/IAH/BOS/DFW/YQR/YXE
YYC-IAH/YVR/LAS/DEN/ORD/LAX/SFO
YVR-YWG/LAS/ANA/PHX/IAH/YXY
Western routes will go into effect gradually starting fall schedule change this year, with others starting as soon as proving flights have been completed out east.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Rout

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:32 pm

I guess Air Canada isn't interested in profitable routes. They are only the fifth airline (Alaska, America West/Mesa, Harmony, Philippine) to enter the Vegas-Vancouver run. They will be lucky to get $149CDN in this market. Talk about over capacity. We just need WestJet to enter the market for a royal flush. And CRJs on a 4 hour 1,700 mile run Calgary-Houston. Good call. That's called a bite my arm off flight. I hope they pass out the Prep-H on that flight. I know, it's the glorified CRJ-700. But it costs more to operate than the -700 with only 5 more seats. 4 hour flights are just too costly on the CRJ plain and simple. You can call it hostility class, but it's still a CRJ any way you look at it. If AC isn't makeing money today with the BabyBus Calgary-Houston, this won't be the answer. I would be flying Continental on that run for sure.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:37 pm

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 25):
But it costs more to operate than the -700 with only 5 more seats.

It actually costs less!!! RSM vs PSM is lower = more $
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 2:58 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 26):
t actually costs less!!! RSM vs PSM is lower = more $

Who cares about CASM? It's irrelevant if you dont put the extra revenue on the plane to cover the higher costs. It is the total dollars out the engines that counts. And that is flat out more than the -700. In fact on most routes the -900 (which is what this plane really is) needs about 6-9 more pax on the flight to make up for the additional cost over the -700. In this case there is only 5 more seats, so the CASM of the 75 seat -900 should be higher than the smaller -700 (at best the same CASM). On top of that AC has gone with a heavy cabin (PTVs). It will burn even more fuel. Now, put that on a 4 hour flights. They should be losing money by Colorado.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:29 pm

YYC-IAH is a high yield market with executive class requests and frequent flights..something WS cannot offer. 9 seats x 1515.00CAD = 13635.00CAD vs average seat sold at 593.00CAD = 37952.00CAD...if you ask me it makes more $$ as Executive class would make up almost 25% of revenue utilizing only 15% of the seats, and these figures are one way! The average PLF on AC'S A319 is 83 pax with all executive being sold out on a regular basis to full fare Executive class paying passengers, but, the A319 is almost twice the cost to operate using mainline payscales, hence the transition to ACJAZZ which can operate the journey at less cost in flight crew alone, and you cant tell me it costs the same to operate an A319 vs a CRJ705 based on engines alone!!
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 3:45 pm

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 23):
Quoting MIASkies (Reply 14):
Any new AC routes coming to MIA ?

Look for YVR-MIA/YYC-MIA in fall announcements.

That would be awesome. Air Canada has operated MIA-YVR for the past few winters, but it not operates this past winter. Hope it comes back. I assume both would be weekend, seasonal services, although I think MIA-YVR can work year-round and daily again with an A319. When it was introduced as such in June 2001 wasn't a great time to launch new routes.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 8:52 pm

Along with the 319 & 320, I have seen AC 762 and 763 at MIA over the past couple months; are these used as well on the Montreal and Toronto routes?
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:03 pm

TIMEAIR,

You intrigue me. Tell me where you get these stats.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 9:14 pm

CLT-YYZ was orginally one CRJ and D9S...then with the Canadian Airlines buyout and the addition of "other" equipment, they were flying Fokker F-28's and 73S into CLT...I would like to see them add the A-319 or A-320.

I live in the Atlanta, GA metro area and now all I see them fly into here is CRJ's and occassionally a BAE-146. Would love to see more "mainline" Airbus equipment back into here!
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:02 pm

Quoting MIASkies (Reply 30):
Along with the 319 & 320, I have seen AC 762 and 763 at MIA over the past couple months; are these used as well on the Montreal and Toronto routes?

The 767s are used on the MIA-YYZ route between November and April, daily. They are also used on the FLL-YUL route during the same period, also daily.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:20 pm

As an aside--I recall having seen just about every AC aircraft type modern and current in MIA, save for the 343s. Maybe they have been there but I have never seen one.

747s
L1011s
A333s
767s
DC8s
727s
DC9s

And of course going back before that all the older types.

Don't know if an AC 343 has ever been sked into MIA though?
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting CayMan (Reply 34):
As an aside--I recall having seen just about every AC aircraft type modern and current in MIA, save for the 343s. Maybe they have been there but I have never seen one.

The 343s operated MIA-YYZ daily between November 1999 and April 2000:


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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:18 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 27):
Who cares about CASM? It's irrelevant if you dont put the extra revenue on the plane to cover the higher costs. It is the total dollars out the engines that counts. And that is flat out more than the -700. In fact on most routes the -900 (which is what this plane really is) needs about 6-9 more pax on the flight to make up for the additional cost over the -700. In this case there is only 5 more seats, so the CASM of the 75 seat -900 should be higher than the smaller -700 (at best the same CASM). On top of that AC has gone with a heavy cabin (PTVs). It will burn even more fuel. Now, put that on a 4 hour flights. They should be losing money by Colorado.

I love it when I read a cost-only analysis. Sure, the CASM of the 705 is higher than for the 700, but AC's customer base won't fly in 31-inch seat pitch for four hours. Operating profit is the excess of Operating Revenues over Expenditures. It's all about the spread! You can have a higher CASM if you have a higher RASM than the competition. AC has made its 705 a comfortable airplane that its customer base will be happy to fly. And, if a route only averages 75 passengers per flight, flying the 705 (with Jazz wage rates) in place of an A319 (with AC mainline wage rates) means you hold 100% of your revenue while lowering your trip cost by 25-30%. The excess of Revenues over Expenditures rises. Airline pricing and profitability is a lot more complex than just comparing CASM.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:41 am

Any chance of new flights to SMF. I had heard that Sacramento was in the picture for AC.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:53 am

No new Atlantic region routes?  no  Why is it we maritimers often get overlooked when it comes to new routes? The only thing we tend to get is cutbacks in service due to our stagnant or decreasing population. Right now Halifax is the only city with a substantial increase in population.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:34 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 38):
No new Atlantic region routes?



Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 38):
cutbacks in service due to our stagnant or decreasing population.

Doesn't your second comment answer the first? There needs to be demand if you want increased services. PEI got increased service this summer, but had to pay for the privilege. Good on WJ for getting a guarantee of profitability from the gov't. Even your own Canjet is looking westward to increase profits. The airlines aren't going to provide services at a loss anymore.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:03 am

Quoting SuperDash (Reply 25):
I guess Air Canada isn't interested in profitable routes. They are only the fifth airline (Alaska, America West/Mesa, Harmony, Philippine) to enter the Vegas-Vancouver run. They will be lucky to get $149CDN in this market. Talk about over capacity. We just need WestJet to enter the market for a royal flush.

I wouldn't be surprised if WestJet gets back in YVR-LAS. They use to fly twice a week for years as a charter for various tour operators. (they still fly YYC-LAS and YEG-LAS 2x/week on charter). I've heard they may increase frequency on YYC-LAS by going scheduled and they may want to re-start YVR-LAS as scheduled themselves. Yup, lots of capacity!
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:19 am

Bmacleod... aren't you answering your own question? If the population isn't increasing, Canjet is in the area, and AC already serves most required domestic routes in the maritimes then there aren't many routes that need adding. I would expect a Halifax to PHL or IAD at some point but AC and DL already have YHZ-BOS, AA and CO have YHZ-NYC, NW has YHZ-DTW.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:03 am

Quoting CXH (Reply 40):
(they still fly YYC-LAS and YEG-LAS 2x/week on charter).

As for now, the last charters went out this week, and there is no more YEG-LAS or YYC-LAS scheduled till sometime in October, which is why there is speculation that it will become scheduled flight rather than resume the tour operators flight.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:42 am

For the Maritimes, AC is increasing frequencies on some routes by converting them partially or wholly to CRJs. They're bringing back seasonal YDF-YUL service and adding seasonal YQY-YUL service.

CanJet is also adding more flights to the Maritimes. YYT-YHZ to 3x daily & YHZ-YYZ to 4x daily. Seasonal 3x daily YOW-YHZ and 2x daily YDF-YHZ are also back for the summer. Plus WS's new flight to YYG, plus NW to YYG, plus CO now year-round to YYT.

Pretty good gains to say the least. It had been a long time since either YOW or YHM were given new services, so Atlantic Canada has done pretty good recently.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:37 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 1):
Sadly, I don't see YYZ-SAN returning...I miss that one.

With the E-Jets, YYZ-SAN and YYZ-ONT are likely to make a comeback

Quoting N77014 (Reply 6):
Lots of Vegas service increase. Is this seasonal only?

Could be, but Vegas has become a year-round sure bet to fill a plane, so perhaps not
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:13 am

" YYZ-SAN and YYZ-ONT are likely to make a comeback"

-E90 YYZSAN may be defying the range limitations of this aircraft.
 
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:50 pm

Quoting FLYYUL (Reply 31):
TIMEAIR,

You intrigue me. Tell me where you get these stats.

To which stats do you refer to???

Quoting Sebring (Reply 36):
love it when I read a cost-only analysis. Sure, the CASM of the 705 is higher than for the 700, but AC's customer base won't fly in 31-inch seat pitch for four hours. Operating profit is the excess of Operating Revenues over Expenditures. It's all about the spread! You can have a higher CASM if you have a higher RASM than the competition. AC has made its 705 a comfortable airplane that its customer base will be happy to fly. And, if a route only averages 75 passengers per flight, flying the 705 (with Jazz wage rates) in place of an A319 (with AC mainline wage rates) means you hold 100% of your revenue while lowering your trip cost by 25-30%. The excess of Revenues over Expenditures rises. Airline pricing and profitability is a lot more complex than just comparing CASM.

Thank you!..someone who understands more than just horsepower economics...!!! LoL
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:26 am

Quoting YOW (Reply 43):
and adding seasonal YQY-YUL service.

Don't you mean YQY-YYZ? This was a profitable summer route for Jetsgo until it's collapse. Canjet or Westjet hasn't shown any interest in pursuing this route so that presumably leaves AC to take over the route.
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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:46 am

YQY-YUL started June 1st.

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RE: AC Announces New Domestic And Transborder Routes

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:24 am

Quoting Bmacleod (Reply 47):
Don't you mean YQY-YYZ? This was a profitable summer route for Jetsgo until it's collapse.

How do you know it was profitable for SG?
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