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VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:26 pm

Just heard it reported on MSNBC, it will be landing in New Brusnswick.

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:30 pm

According to the MSN alert - LHR->NYC flight.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:30 pm

Just heard it too, scary...
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:32 pm

The pilot called over voice channel to say he was not hi-jacked. But they are being escorted anyway... latest from ABC News.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:32 pm

Hi, They say its diverting to Moncton.


Matt

EDIT It says here That its diverting to Halifax.

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:33 pm

Yup.. sounds like an accident, but not taking any chances. It's VS flight 45, an A340...should be on the ground shortly. FoxNews is reporting squawking 7500

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:33 pm

Well a 7600 (lost communications) isn't that much of a disaster. I'm sure everything will be al right.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:34 pm

7600 is communication problem, most likely radio failure.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:35 pm

No, he is squawking 7500, the hijacking code. It is flying from LHR to JFK. Canadaian Forces have scrambled fighters to it. According to FoxNews.

Is this flight an A-340 or B-747?

FoxNews does not have the flight number for Virgin, yet.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:35 pm

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 3):
The pilot called over voice channel to say he was not hi-jacked.

How could he call if 7600 means they have no communication with ATC?
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:37 pm

NEW YORK - A Virgin Atlantic flight from London to JFK Airport in New York was being diverted Friday after air traffic controllers heard the hijack code coming from the crew.

Virgin Atlantic said it had contacted the pilot, who said the aircraft was not being hijacked, but as a precaution the plane was being sent an airport in Halifax, Canada.

Canadian fighter jets were to escort the jet, which is carrying 271 passengers and 17 crew.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:38 pm

It's VS Flight 45 from LHR to JFK.


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London Heathrow Jun 03 09:58 AM New York (JFK) Jun 03 01:09 PM

Departed 5 hrs. and 39 mins. ago. Expected to arrive in 2 hrs. and 31 mins.

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London Heathrow Jun 03 09:47 AM Moncton NB Jun 03 02:09 PM

Departed 5 hrs. and 50 mins. ago. Expected to arrive in 2 hrs. and 31 mins.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:39 pm

FoxNews now says VS-45(H) is an A-340 with 271 passengers aboard. Now he is diverted to Halifax. CF-18s have arrived on her wings.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:39 pm

According to FOX News Channel, the squawk was 7500, not 7600, and there are fighter escorts that are going to meet the plane, which is VS 45 by the way. LHR-JFK
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:39 pm

Aircraft is G-VEIL

A346

Departed Heathrow this morning at 09:35L Took off 09:59L

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:39 pm

This is a flight LHR-JFK. Apparently it was an error by the pilots whom used the 'hijacking' code. From the above suggestions, it seems to be very close to the code for communications problems. One report said it was being diverted to Halifax, but who knows, maybe they don't want the exact info until on the ground for security reasons. Bet those pax are going to be a bit wired about this!  scared 
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:40 pm

So 7500 or 7600? Quite a difference.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:40 pm

Virgin Atlantic 45 is an Airbus A340-600.

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 15):
This is a flight LHR-JFK. Apparently it was an error by the pilots whom used the 'hijacking' code. From the above suggestions, it seems to be very close to the code for communications problems.

A difficult error to make for trained pilots.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:44 pm

I can't imagine the pilots accidentily used the 7500 squawk code in stead of 7600. ACARS is probably still on line so they told the Virgin dispatchers nothing was going on, just loss of radio contact.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7600 Over The Atlantic

Fri Jun 03, 2005 11:55 pm

Sorry about the title I meant 7500 the hijack code, in my haste to paste i missed it.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:03 am

Has VS-45(H) landed in Halifax, yet?
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:07 am

According to FOX, plane is now on ground
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:08 am

Quoting Vunz (Reply 10):

Virgin Atlantic said it had contacted the pilot, who said the aircraft was not being hijacked, but as a precaution the plane was being sent an airport in Halifax, Canada.

Do they really contact the pilot? IF it had been a real hijacking wouldn't that have made the hijacker angry to find out that the pilot had sounded the alarm?
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:09 am

All is well. Just an error/malfunction, according to latest news, and plane will be on way shortly to JFK. 2pm arrival.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 24):
All is well. Just an error/malfunction, according to latest news, and plane will be on way shortly to JFK. 2pm arrival.

I hope they use their second transponder.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:15 am

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 21):
Has VS-45(H) landed in Halifax, yet?

According to Aeroseek.com, this is what it shows:

FlightID: VIR45 (Commercial Jet)
Status: ARRIVED
Owner: VIRGIN ATLANTIC
Radio Call: VIRGIN
Type: A346 (Airbus Industries Airbus A340-600)
Origin Apt: EGLL HEATHROW
Dest Apt: CYHZ HALIFAX INTL
Departed: 08:58 AM GMT (0858Z)
Original ETA: N / A
Actual Arrival Time: 02:59 PM GMT (1459Z)
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:17 am

Good news to hear this was nothing serious. When the news was brought to my attention I feared for the worst possible ending.

Out of curiosity, if this had turned out to be a major issue and this plane was in the event of being hi-jacked, what would the outcome be? Would the aircraft be shot down to minimize any more tragic events like 9/11?

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:36 am

Squawking 7500 instead of 7600 can get you into trouble... this happened not long ago here in Hungary. An austrian GA aircraft was flying a VFR route, when he lost his radio, and managed to squawk 7500 instead of 7600. NATO ordered a pair of Hungarian Airforce MiG29-s to intercept and escort. The aircraft was forced to land at a nearby airport. Poor guy... imagine flying your cessna when all of a sudden two fighters pull up next to you  white 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:36 am

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 27):
Out of curiosity, if this had turned out to be a major issue and this plane was in the event of being hi-jacked, what would the outcome be? Would the aircraft be shot down to minimize any more tragic events like 9/11?

Good question. There's no doubt in my mind that in U.S. airspace, with an escort of US fighters, the order to shoot down would come from Washington and would be immediately carried out.

But this aircraft was intercepted by Canadian fighters and escorted into Canadian airspace. Canada is part of NORAD and NATO. I can't imagine how our government would handle this, or how it would respond to an order from Washington to have Canadian fighter aircraft shoot down a civilian airliner that appeared to be a serious threat. My guess is that if Canada refused a shoot-down order, the US would send its own fighters into Canadian airspace (if necessary) and shoot it down. Pray that this day never arrives.

Canada and the US are already sniping at each other over a pending US requirement that domestic Canadian airliner flights using US airspace (great circle routes) submit passenger lists to the U.S. and enforce the U.S. no-fly list.

This little incident should spark a healthy debate on all this in Ottawa -- but I bet there is zero discussion because they are a) scared s**tless to confront the issue, and b) far too distracted by their tenuous grip on political power as a minority government.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 12:59 am

Quick question, why divert to Halifax and not Bangor as other Trans-Atlantic diverts have done?
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:03 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 30):
Quick question, why divert to Halifax and not Bangor as other Trans-Atlantic diverts have done?

Probably becuase it was intercepted by the Canadians, and therefore will divert to Canada.

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:05 am

To all pilots out there still with the confusion with the special sqwaks:

Seven-five: Caught a life. (Hijacking).
Seven-six: Need to fix. (duh).
Seven-seven: Go to heaven. (Emergency).

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting MKEdude (Reply 30):
Quick question, why divert to Halifax and not Bangor as other Trans-Atlantic diverts have done?

From what I understand, the US flatly refused the plane clearance to enter US airspace or land in the US until they figured out what was going on...thus Halifax....interesting to see how Canada is very quick to take care of some of our problems (since the plane was headed for the US, not Canada)
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:16 am

only 271 pax on the flight  Smile

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:40 am

is this a VS A340?


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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:59 am

Media coverage of this is priceless

From MSNBC
- The aircraft is a Boeing 340
- Canadian authorities heard the pilots hijacking code

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:59 am

An assumption that ANY hijacking would result in an immediate order to shoot-down when in US airspace is absurd IMHO. Yes, I'll grant that the US authorities are very happy to have this plane land in Canada instead of the US, but to think that it would be immediately shot down without some serious threat and situation analysis before hand fails to consider the political ramifications of intentionally killing 288 persons.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:07 am

More info here on a British site
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4607657.stm

My knowledge of this is not too good, could anyone explain to me how this happened ?

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:07 am

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:22 am

Quoting Arrow (Reply 29):
There's no doubt in my mind that in U.S. airspace, with an escort of US fighters, the order to shoot down would come from Washington and would be immediately carried out.

Thank God you don't run your country, quite an absurd generalization you make there. How fast can you pull a trigger?
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 2:44 am

Man, guys...You are all acting like this is the biggest deal of the year...It was a simple mistake and you are all sitting here acting like experts analizing the situation to death, speculating about what kind of mistake it was. How about you let the airline tell us what the mistake was, instead of trying to be know-it-all wannabe analists...lol Sheez.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:12 am

If a hijacking signal was sent on the transponder then the pilot accidentally dialed the hijack transponder code or purposely dialed the hijack transponder code. A techical malfunction does not randomly choose to send the hijack signal. If the transponder was not the method of indicating a hijack then it is not possible that the pilot sent a verbal signal to ATC that a hijack is in progress and confirmed it by accident. The only logical answers as to how the hijack signal was sent are "the pilot did it purposely" or "the pilot dialed the hijack signal on the transponder accidentally". If the pilot dialed the hijack signal on the transponder accidentally there is a good likelihood that he was dialing something similar to the hijack signal and got mixed up.

The most likely diversion airports for trans-atlantic flights are Gander, Halifax, and Bangor. They will choose the one closest in most cases. When CNN first reported that they were diverting to Moncton New Brunswick Ontario I rolled my eyes... partly for saying Ontario and partly because I couldn't imagine a Virgin Atlantic flight diverting to Moncton when Halifax is so close and much more equipped.
 
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 3:38 am

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 4:12 am

MSNBC was pretty dumb with the coverage, their map showed the great circle route going southerly. They showed a picture of an A343 in the old livery. They kept screwing up simple details.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:48 am

Quoting EnviroTO (Reply 43):
The only logical answers as to how the hijack signal was sent are "the pilot did it purposely" or "the pilot dialed the hijack signal on the transponder accidentally".

EnviroTO,
Thats pretty darn unlikely. In fact, its wrong. If it was "dialed accidentally" as you say, it could have easily been "undialed". On purpose? If the pilot wants a quick end to his flying career sure. lol. Mechanical failure - absolutely. Yes, transponders can squak whatever they please when they malfunction. I've seen it.

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:08 am

Quoting Danny (Reply 9):
How could he call if 7600 means they have no communication with ATC?

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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:08 am

The pilot was probably just cycling his codes, which aircraft do when they enter sovereign airspace, and the beacon interrogator picked up the 7500 squawk. It happens all the time. It must have been on 7500 for a while to get him scrambled on, though. The parrot probably got stuck on it.

Quoting Jkw777 (Reply 27):
Out of curiosity, if this had turned out to be a major issue and this plane was in the event of being hi-jacked, what would the outcome be? Would the aircraft be shot down to minimize any more tragic events like 9/11?

That would be CINC--excuse me--*COM*NORAD's call. The region commander at NEADS could also make the call if COMNORAD could not be reached. Rest assured, though, it would take an overtly hostile move on the part of the aircraft to convince anybody to resort to shooting it down.

Quoting AA54Heavy (Reply 33):
From what I understand, the US flatly refused the plane clearance to enter US airspace or land in the US until they figured out what was going on...thus Halifax....interesting to see how Canada is very quick to take care of some of our problems (since the plane was headed for the US, not Canada)

Since NORAD is a joint operation, where it landed really has nothing to do with the Canadian government. The region commander at NEADS would have told him where to go. The route to Halifax simply had fewer potential targets for a hijacker.
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RE: VS Plane Squawking 7500 Over The Atlantic

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:12 am

It would have been CANR not NEADS at that point DarthR.

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