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LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:45 am

For years, LH only served FRA from LAX, while SFO had both MUC and FRA service.

With the summer schedule showing two daily FRA and one MUC...

Is LAX best served by more FRA than MUC?

Was SFO such a different market than LAX that it got MUC service earlier?

Are there plans to increase MUC versus FRA for other USA destinations?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 7:00 am

As far as I know LH has had LAX-FRA and LAX-MUC for quite a while now. LAX-FRA is 2x/day on 744's, and LAX-MUC is 1x/day on an A340.
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:25 am

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
For years, LH only served FRA from LAX, while SFO had both MUC and FRA service.

With the summer schedule showing two daily FRA and one MUC...

Actually, LAX-MUC has existed for a long time. In fact, it was even run in the days of the 742. It just happened to be much more seasonal. After MUC-THR was added to the schedule, the MUC flight got more important. Also, the A340's lower capacity helps there

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 1):
LAX-FRA is 2x/day on 744's, and LAX-MUC is 1x/day on an A340.

Actually, LAX-FRA is 10X per week in the winter season, going daily in the summer. LAX-MUC used to be either summer only or 3X per week in the winter. It is pretty much daily year-round now, helped by the aforementioned MUC-THR flight. LH fills their 744s basically every day out of LAX and is almost always the most expensive way to get to FRA.
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:32 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
Actually, LAX-FRA is 10X per week in the winter season, going daily in the summer.

Do you mean double-daily in the summer?
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:35 am

So THR is only served via MUC?

Are there destinations ex MUC not served by FRA?

Would a third FRA flight from LAX work better than MUC? Or would it miss a late departure bank that could be made in MUC?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting Travelin man (Reply 3):
Do you mean double-daily in the summer?

Yes, thanks for the catch

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
So THR is only served via MUC?

No, it is also served, by larger aircraft, from FRA. I was stating that the MUC-THR flight helps fill the LAX-MUC flight and gives LH another connecting opportunity

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
Would a third FRA flight from LAX work better than MUC?

Nope, because the time difference does not allow it. I still don't understand why they don't keep 450/451 all year instead of 456/457, considering that you hit the Indian flights as well with 450/451 and miss them with 456/457
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:42 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
So THR is only served via MUC?

Nope, in fact, the MUC-THR flights will be (or already are) discontinued.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 4):
Are there destinations ex MUC not served by FRA?

ESB comes directly into my mind, there may be a few others.

Patrick

PS: FRA-LAX was flown nonstop by LH for the first time ever on May 13, 1977, my birthday. Big grin
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:44 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
Nope, in fact, the MUC-THR flights will be (or already are) discontinued.

Or am I confusing MUC-THR with MUC-DXB now?

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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 7):
Or am I confusing MUC-THR with MUC-DXB now?

That would be it, as the O&D between LAX and THR is one of the main reasons LH added MUC-THR

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 6):
FRA-LAX was flown nonstop by LH for the first time ever on May 13, 1977, my birthday

And has probably been LH's consistantly best performing route ever since
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 8:58 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 8):
That would be it, as the O&D between LAX and THR is one of the main reasons LH added MUC-THR

I remembered that I read somewhere that MUC-"some Middle East city" will be discontinued, I thought it was THR but after looking on Amadeus.net I can confirm that it is DXB. No nonstop flights are shown between MUC and DXB on LH. Sorry for the mistake!

Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

I can only say that flights to and from THR are booming, in the last year I flew DUS-THR-BKK and back on Mahan Air, and all flights were filled completely.

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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:10 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

The City of Los Angeles has the largest Iranian community outside Iran in the world. Add to that the thousands who live in Orange County, Ventura County and parts of Los Angeles County not part of the City Proper, and then consider that the traffic goes both ways and you are talking a significant number of through seats that BA, KL and LH sell. SR used to be a major player on the route as well, until their problems with capacity popped up and they cut LAX to 5X and cut THR all together
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
The City of Los Angeles has the largest Iranian community outside Iran in the world. Add to that the thousands who live in Orange County, Ventura County and parts of Los Angeles County

Wow, I didn't know that, interesting.

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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:22 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 11):
Wow, I didn't know that, interesting.

Hey, how do you think I got here??  Big grin There is a reason they call it Tehrangales
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting N77014 (Thread starter):
Was SFO such a different market than LAX that it got MUC service earlier?

LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.
Much more competition.
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Sabena332 (Reply 9):
Is there such a large Iranian community around LAX?

Like mentioned above the Southern California region does have a huge ethnic Iranian community.

In fact the community and traffic is so large some airlines specifically tailor their LAX flight schedules to connect to their Tehran services.
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:26 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 12):
Hey, how do you think I got here??

Are you from Iranian origin or do you have family (from) there?

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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 9:27 am

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.
Much more competition.

Actually, the LH LAX-MUC flights are now hub + O&D flights as opposed to just O&D flights

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 14):
In fact the community and traffic is so large some airlines specifically tailor their LAX flight schedules to connect to their Tehran services.

All of them do. AZ also used to connect their LAX-MXP flight to MXP-THR. That would be a major part of any return to service by them
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 11:39 am

Winter 2006.

Lufthansa will fly daily MUC-DXB

Will temporarily postpone MUC-THR, MUC-YUL and MUC-BOS.
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:27 pm

Wasn't Lufthansa going to shift part of their FRA hub to MUC?
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:32 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 18):
Wasn't Lufthansa going to shift part of their FRA hub to MUC?

Not shift so much as grow faster at MUC
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 1:52 pm

I think I read an article recently that said that Lufthansa was running out of capacity in Frankfurt. It had something to do with the hub and the flow of passengers through their terminal. They wanted to send traffic from certain cities through Munich instead of Frankfurt.
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:11 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 20):
I think I read an article recently that said that Lufthansa was running out of capacity in Frankfurt.

The main issue at FRA is not terminal space, rather lack of runway capacity. Also, there are already plans for a new terminal when Rhein-Main AFB closes. The fourth runway is still trying to get built
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 5:29 pm

what's with that fourth runway not being built?
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sat Jun 04, 2005 6:52 pm

Quoting ComeAndGo (Reply 22):
what's with that fourth runway not being built?

The short answer: it's still stuck somewhere in planning and politics...

Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
The main issue at FRA is not terminal space, rather lack of runway capacity.

True, the runway is the main one - but the terminal, at peak times, isn't much behind in being an issue...  Wink

Quoting UAMAYBACH1239 (Reply 13):
LAX has twice the carriers serving FRA and MUC compared to SFO.

Are you thinking of nonstops? For LAX, I can think of LH and AI, while for SFO I can think of LH and UA - which two other carriers does LAX have?  Confused

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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 12:23 am

Are they only using Combi 744´s to KLAX and SFO? or do they just send at random sometime M and some time normal? or do they follow a schedule?



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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting Flight85 (Reply 24):
Are they only using Combi 744´s to KLAX and SFO?

I'm not aware of LH using Combis at all: as far as I know, all Combis were converted to full pax config a while back.

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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 1:32 am

@Flight85:
There are no 744M´s in LH´s inventory.
Try KL if you´re looking for 744M´s.

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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:11 am

Is MUC a more convenient transit point than FRA?

How does LH assign capacity from LAX to transit if both hubs are available; do they try to sell FRA or MUC flights first?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:43 am

Oh yeah !!??? what about all the pics from 2005 that are 744M http://www.airliners.net/open.file/800309/L/ example right there. Also since when did they get rid of all their m? heres a list.

D-ABTA Boeing 747-430 24285 747 19.09.1989 cvtd -430(M)
D-ABTB Boeing 747-430 24286 749 22.12.1989 cvtd -430(M)
D-ABTC Boeing 747-430(M) 24287 754 03.02.1990
D-ABTD Boeing 747-430 24715 785 10.02.1996 ret, cvtd -430(M)
D-ABTE Boeing 747-430 24966 846 13.04.1991 N6046P cvtd -430(M)
D-ABTF Boeing 747-430 24967 848 23.04.1991 cvtd -430(M)
D-ABTH Boeing 747-430(M) 25047 856 05.06.1991
D-ABTK Boeing 747-430 29871 1293 19.12.2001
D-ABTL Boeing 747-430 29872 1299 15.03.2002
D-ABVA Boeing 747-430 23816 723 23.05.1989 N6055X
D-ABVB Boeing 747-430 23817 700 30.09.1989 N5573S
D-ABVC Boeing 747-430 24288 757 26.10.1989
D-ABVD Boeing 747-430 24740 786 15.05.1990 N60668
D-ABVE Boeing 747-430 24741 787 04.05.1990
D-ABVF Boeing 747-430 24761 796 06.07.1990 N6018N
D-ABVH Boeing 747-430 25045 845 03.04.1991
D-ABVK Boeing 747-430 25046 847 19.04.1991 N6009F
D-ABVL Boeing 747-430 26425 898 20.02.1992 N60659
D-ABVM Boeing 747-430 29101 1143 07.02.1998
D-ABVN Boeing 747-430 26427 915 08.05.1992
D-ABVO Boeing 747-430 28086 1080 17.05.1996
D-ABVP Boeing 747-430 28284 1103 25.02.1997
D-ABVR Boeing 747-430 28285 1106 13.03.1997
D-ABVS Boeing 747-430 28286 1109 18.04.1997
D-ABVT Boeing 747-430 28287 1110 28.04.1997
D-ABVU Boeing 747-430 29492 1191 21.12.1998
D-ABVW Boeing 747-430 29493 1205 13.03.1999
D-ABVX Boeing 747-430 29868 1237 22.12.1999
D-ABVY Boeing 747-430 29869 1261 11.12.2000
D-ABVZ Boeing 747-430 29870 1264 01.02.2001


They even converted some to M.

I really dont belive so gimmie some proof.


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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:48 am

LH used to operate some 744 Combis. however, all of them have been reconfigured to full pax.

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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:51 am

When did this happend? becuse the pic i showd link for was from 2005.


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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 2:52 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 2):
LAX-MUC used to be either summer only or 3X per week in the winter. It is pretty much daily year-round now,

MUC-LAX was 3x weekly last winter, as were MUC-CLT/MIA/SFO.
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:00 am

Does MUC attract a different O/D than FRA?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:01 am

Hi ! again and if you guys say no more M for Lufthansa is KLM the only airline in the world that still uses 744M??


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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 3:57 am

The combis are still in the fleet (about 9) but are configured as full pax for several years now, can't say exactrly how long.

KL could be really the only one left currently operating combis
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:21 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 27):
Is MUC a more convenient transit point than FRA?

As MUC´s Terminal 2 is only 2 years old and was co-designed and co-built and is co-operated by LH, (while FRA´s T1 was designed in the late 1960s and expanded/refurbished ever since), the answer definitely is YES.

Quoting N77014 (Reply 27):
How does LH assign capacity from LAX to transit if both hubs are available; do they try to sell FRA or MUC flights first?

They try to sell all 3 flights  Smile
Speaking for me: I prefer HAJ - MUC- LAX and return LAX - FRA - HAJ, as these offer the best departure times for me.

Quoting Flight85 (Reply 33):
KL could be really the only one left currently operating combis

Isn´t Asiana OZ flying a 74M on the route from Seoul ICN to FRA ?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:02 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 32):
Does MUC attract a different O/D than FRA?

Yes, actually, it does. MUC is a destination for many passengers, as it is more of a tourist destination than FRA. Both are business centers, with FRA taking the lead there.

Quoting Flight85 (Reply 24):
Are they only using Combi 744´s to KLAX

Well, like said, all of LH's combis have been converted to full pax. Also, since LAX has only a few 744s dedicated to the route right now because of the introduction of the new business class, one of the main aircraft seeing Westchester soil is D-ABVF, which has always been full pax.

Quoting PanHAM (Reply 34):
KL could be really the only one left currently operating combis

No. 744Ms are operated by KL, OZ and AI
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:05 am

@N1120A

Quoting N1120A (Reply 36):
No. 744Ms are operated by KL, OZ and AI

At least I´ve got 2 out of 3 ...  Wink
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 6:45 am

What other LH markets get both FRA/MUC long haul service?
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:16 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 38):

FRA/MUC - JFK I believe



KLM operates the 744M into KIAH. I always get to see it opening up and such when ever I'm departing to FRA on my Lufty flight.
 
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RE: LH At LAX

Sun Jun 05, 2005 11:27 pm

Quoting N77014 (Reply 38):
What other LH markets get both FRA/MUC long haul service?

Details of course can be found on LH´s website  Big grin
Some of the following services are seasonal:
BOS, EWR, JFK, ORD, SFO, LAX
BKK, HKG, NRT, PEK
DXB, THR
Not included are those flights on which LH (only) code-shares.
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RE: LH At LAX

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:09 pm

LH has 2 Daily flights durring the summer to FRA and there should be another one. LH is always over booked on both flights in and out of LAX all summer. I wish that they added another one to try and accomdate the large demand. LH has been serving LAX since the 1970's I think I could be wrong.

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RE: LH At LAX

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:09 am

[quote=Kevin752,reply=41]LH has 2 Daily flights durring the summer to FRA and there should be another one. LH is always over booked on both flights in and out of LAX all summer. I wish that they added another one to try and accomdate the large demand. LH has been serving LAX since the 1970's I think I could be wrong.

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