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Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:31 pm

This is something that I have been working on for a while now. I know that this is currently impossible due to the political climate. Is this even possible in the future?? I'd love to get comments on whether or not this would work. What do you think???

(PLEASE DO NOT TURN THIS INTO A POLITICAL DISCUSSION)



















(Most of the domestic flights would be operated by other carriers. Iran Air would mostly operate domestic connecting flights for passengers wanting to travel to other cities in Iran via its only hub in Tehran.)
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:41 pm

Well, not a bad list, though I would like to see some bigger metal (747ADV, 77W) and, of course, more flights to Tabriz
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 4:49 pm

Iran has plenty of cash on hand, almost zero foreign debt, and the technical know-how to acquire Boeing's newest jets. If allowed to, its only problem securing new planes would be the waiting time on the Boeing delivery waitlist.


As far as alliances, Skyteam would be a perfect fit. With EK and other Gulf carriers reluctant to join an alliance, IR, with a huge domestic market, central location, and inherent J-class market, would be an excellent fit in the alliance.

A likely scenario; codeshare with KL/NW/CO on THR-AMS routes with North American destinations. AF is busy with ME right now...how would that work?

Nonstop service on B777-200LR's to EWR, LAX, YYZ?, IAH? SFO?, DTW?
B767-300's an interim step until 787's are ready.

Make THR terminal a worthy alternative to DXB and AUH.

Develope a world class cargo product.

Look into BBJ service for high value oil market and european connections: LHR, VIE, AMS.

[Edited 2005-06-05 10:00:34]
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:11 pm

I the US will not sell aircraft to them, then they might have to go elsewhere.
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:18 pm

Looks nice and I hope it will come true one day.

BTW, Why the all-Boeing fleet?
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 5:58 pm

My Iran Air vision of the future, is the US still treating them as a pariah state, so no Boeings. I reckon they might get some A300-600Rs off Monarch when MON finally get rid of them!

Poor Iran Air. They really should be allowed to buy some new aircraft.
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 7:17 pm

Not Bad.... But I don't think that an-all Boeing fleet is suitable for IR.

First, instead of the B738, I would see a mix of A319/A320/A321, to offer more adapted frequencies on short/medium routes and operate THR as a regional HUB, rather using 1 or 2 frequencies with a widebody.
BEY-THR for example can handle easily a DAILY A319 ...

I would keep the B777LR but would replace the B767 by a much better A332.

IR needs also a fleet of turboprop or Regional Jet, especially for the domestic market, and to reach the remote point of the country.
2 x Daily IFN-THR with a B767 can't be profitable ... I'd better see a 5 x Daily A319 ...


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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:03 pm

What happened to THR-GOT ?

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:14 pm

I think that it would almost be necessary to include "Airline of the Islamic Republic of Iran" in any new branding.as opposed to "The Iranian Flag Carrier" or even "The Airline of Iran".
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:42 pm

Actually, it is already the official name as written on all the a/c :


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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 8:51 pm

Yes, what happened to ARN-GOT-THR ?

I also think they would aquire some Airbus aircraft.
Would work well with many of their destinations.


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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:02 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
IR needs also a fleet of turboprop or Regional Jet, especially for the domestic market, and to reach the remote point of the country.

Ahh, a nice option for the new Fokker 70 and 100.

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:15 pm

There is no reason why not, and Iran Air could benefit from fleet renewals with leases from another carrier/leasing company such as EK.

The 772ER and A332 could be impoprtant stopgap aircraft cascaded to IR in the short term as EK will potentially have some available as newer aircraft become available. The Rolls Royce powerplants will be easier to source spares for than USA built engines.
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:24 pm

Good planning.
LH600, so you prefer EWR than JFK? Is it because you can catch more traffice thru CO EWR hub ?
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 9:26 pm

Ahh ! nice option for the new Fokker 70 and

Why not ? IranAir operates already a fleet of 8 F-100...


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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Sun Jun 05, 2005 10:09 pm

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 14):
Why not ? IranAir operates already a fleet of 8 F-100...

I know and there's that Iranian airline, Simorgh Airlines which already ordered 25 of the new Fokker 70's. Iran is a constant talk in the Rekkof project.

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:49 am

Love It, especially the new Livery.. Mixed fleet of boeings and airbuses would be nice. Not to put all of ones eggs in one basket. A330 would be a nice addition and loose the the 767.
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:47 am

Beautiful, wish it could happen one day. If that was the case iran would be a free market economy at that time and with business and tourists flocking to explore the country, therefore i would assume daily services to all regional cities such as Beirut, damascus, amman etc if not 2xdaily with 319/738. More flights to SE asia and N asia. why not australia as well?
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Orion737 (Reply 5):

Poor Iran Air. They really should be allowed to buy some new aircraft.

The EU tried to negotiate with Iran, allow nuclear inspections and in trade for Airbus/Boeing airplanes. Didn't work. If Iran wants airplanes, they can get them, they're just going to have to jump through a western-world hoop to do so.

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
I would keep the B777LR but would replace the B767 by a much better A332.

The much better aircraft are the 787/A350...  Wink
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:06 am

That would be great!

Assuming the retarded US embargo is removed, they'll also have to normalise relations with Egypt (which is another hurdle on its own) before launching flights to CAI. If that happens I would imagine MS and IR going for non-stop flights between the two capitals considering they are the largest Middle Eastern countries (in terms of population).

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:36 am

Quoting Jan Mogren (Reply 7):
What happened to THR-GOT ?



Quoting Tommy Mogren (Reply 10):
Yes, what happened to ARN-GOT-THR ?

You're right we can make YYZ-THR non-stop instead of having YYZ-ARN-THR and add GOT-ARN-THR making that daily w/ a 767/A330/A350 size aircraft.

Quoting Goodday (Reply 13):
LH600, so you prefer EWR than JFK? Is it because you can catch more traffice thru CO EWR hub ?

If CO is an Alliance partner then it would make sence for IR to use EWR instead of JFK.

[Edited 2005-06-05 21:47:40]
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:45 am

Quoting T154M (Reply 17):
why not australia as well?

I thought that if IR had Malaysian as an alliance partner then IR passengers could catch flights to Australia via KUL on Malaysian.

What does everyone think of the Airline partners I chose? Would Swiss be a good partner for IR?

 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting LH600 (Reply 21):
What does everyone think of the Airline partners I chose? Would Swiss be a good partner for IR?

Well, you chose 1 SkyTeam member and 1 SkyTeam-to-be-member. Swiss would be a strange one, because it's linked to Star Alliance now due to the Lufthansa take over. I think Air France would make a better fit and with it, Iran can have a partnership with SkyTeam.

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:39 am

From no flight to a double daily ZRH-THR operation? Sounds interesting to me ...  Wink

There where once rumors, that IR might come back to ZRH soon, but nothing happened till now, unfortunately ...
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:47 am

Slightly wishful thinking in the short run, but let's hope it can happen. I remember N1120A saying that Iran Air has stated that they prefer Boeing jets.

LAX-THR with the 747-SP would be nice for now though, until they get 777-286LRs. Now I'd definitely go down to LAX to see that arriving...
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:52 am

Quoting Horus (Reply 19):
Assuming the retarded US embargo is removed,

Didn't the OP indicate NO POLITICS in this thread?
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:16 am

Quoting LH600 (Reply 20):
You're right we can make YYZ-THR non-stop instead of having YYZ-ARN-THR and add GOT-ARN-THR making that daily w/ a 767/A330/A350 size aircraft.

I was quite happy to see a flight between YYZ and ARN but I don't know if you can fly a 777 profitable daily, maybe with an A330 or a 777 with fewer departures.

GOT is an 787/A350 destination with 1-2xweek service in the winter and a 3xweek in the summer in my opinion.
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:00 am

Quoting Swissgabe (Reply 23):

Swissair/Swiss used to fly to Tehran from Zurich for many years and the flights were only canceled (along with many other destinations) because of the fleet problems LX has, not because of poor performance. IR used to fly to Geneva and if I remember correctly, Swissair and Iran Air had a codeshare agreement on the THR-ZRH route. Iran Air would be able to provide great connecting service for LX passengers traveling to the Middle East and Asia.

[Edited 2005-06-06 00:04:00]
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
First, instead of the B738, I would see a mix of A319/A320/A321, to offer more adapted frequencies on short/medium routes and operate THR as a regional HUB, rather using 1 or 2 frequencies with a widebody.
BEY-THR for example can handle easily a DAILY A319 ...

I would keep the B777LR but would replace the B767 by a much better A332

IAE powered A320 family aircraft have never done well is desert heat. Just ask HP.

A hub with more frequencies also depends on O/D more; right now the economic situation in Iran, with high unemployment, works against this. Smaller frequencies with larger capacity, cargo uplift, times to connect with alliance hubs work best.

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 22):
Well, you chose 1 SkyTeam member and 1 SkyTeam-to-be-member. Swiss would be a strange one, because it's linked to Star Alliance now due to the Lufthansa take over. I think Air France would make a better fit and with it, Iran can have a partnership with SkyTeam.

While Swiss would not be an ideal partner, the swiss market is not one to be ignored. And AF have their hands full with ME.
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:40 pm

LH600, what a nice dream, and a great job by the way.
Hey if THR-TLV ever goes on, you may want to add SYZ-TLV to the list. I know of many many Iranian Jews and they mostly come from Shiraz.
Also, I think the THR to LAX, SFO and IAH can certainly see more that just one flight per day.
If Iran ever becomes a free country, where there wont be any of the regime restrictions, its tourism will see a sharp increase. Seeing some Airbuses in the fleet would be nice too (how about A345, and 380's? Would look nice!!)
I guess your idea is a dream that has a great potential of coming true someday. Lets hope it does.
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:43 pm

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 25):
Didn't the OP indicate NO POLITICS in this thread?

Well you can't avoid the obvious...

Quoting B727fan (Reply 29):
and a great job by the way.

I agree... nice graphics.
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:56 pm

Quoting B727fan (Reply 29):
Hey if THR-TLV ever goes on, you may want to add SYZ-TLV to the list.

Certainly not on a daily basis though. But considering the amount of traffic on TLV-THR route before the revolution a 738 maybe a bit small .
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:26 pm

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 4):
BTW, Why the all-Boeing fleet?



Quoting FlySSC (Reply 6):
But I don't think that an-all Boeing fleet is suitable for IR.

Both of you have to remember the repeated statements by both Iran Air management and the Iranian government (who own Iran Air) that they prefer Boeing planes

Quoting DfwRevolution (Reply 18):
The EU tried to negotiate with Iran, allow nuclear inspections and in trade for Airbus/Boeing airplanes. Didn't work

Iran offered to give up all nuclear enrichment, peaceful and otherwise, forever, if diplomatic relations were reopened by the US, and the US rejected it. That is just plain stupid

Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 24):
LAX-THR with the 747-SP would be nice for now though

Well, that was the reason for buying the aircraft in the first place. IR was set to open THR-LAX, with or without a stop at LHR, and even had gate space with PA in Terminal 2 (the Shah saved PA's ass on more than one occaission)

Quoting N77014 (Reply 28):
IAE powered A320 family aircraft have never done well is desert heat. Just ask HP.

The A32S does not do well in the heat in general. Then again, Tehran is not in a desert, people need to realize that. Still, THR is high above sea level and can have hot summers, so the 737 would be a better choice.
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:39 pm

Quoting B727fan (Reply 29):
Seeing some Airbuses in the fleet would be nice too (how about A345, and 380's? Would look nice!!)

What do you think???





Just for fun.
Iran Air was actually pretty close to getting these...



[Edited 2005-06-06 09:46:23]
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:45 pm

Quoting LH600 (Reply 33):
Iran Air was actually pretty close to getting these...

Didn't they order something like 12?

Quoting LH600 (Reply 33):
What do you think???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:52 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Both of you have to remember the repeated statements by both Iran Air management and the Iranian government (who own Iran Air) that they prefer Boeing planes



Quoting N1120A (Reply 34):
Quoting LH600 (Reply 33):
What do you think???

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.

LOL...I know. I would much rather see IR operating Boeing aircraft.

[Edited 2005-06-06 09:53:04]
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:05 am

Any plans for IR to consolidate their current network to offer more frequencies in a less far-flung destination map?
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:28 am

Quoting N77014 (Reply 28):
And AF have their hands full with ME.

Yep, But KLM isn't and KLM has been flying to THR for quite a while.

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Tue Jun 07, 2005 5:51 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 1):
I would like to see some bigger metal (747ADV, 77W)

 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:40 pm

Here's a full list of destinations...

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/amir-is-a-koonyyy/destinations.jpg
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:14 am

If IR were to join skyteam, would it make sense for both IR and ME to be in the same alliance??
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:19 am

Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 37):
Yep, But KLM isn't and KLM has been flying to THR for quite a while.

Yep, and with big metal too. They do brisk business on the LAX-AMS-THR route

Quoting LH600 (Reply 40):
If IR were to join skyteam, would it make sense for both IR and ME to be in the same alliance??

Sure, why not? SkyTeam has 3 US members
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:59 am

Quoting N1120A (Reply 32):
Iran offered to give up all nuclear enrichment, peaceful and otherwise, forever, if diplomatic relations were reopened by the US, and the US rejected it. That is just plain stupid

Like everything else in politics, not quite that simplistic.

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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:00 am

Quoting Airzim (Reply 42):
Flights to TLV. Not in our lifetime.

Depending on your exact age it could be that it already happened in your lifetime  Smile
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:05 am

When did Iranair fly to TLV?
 
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 5:13 am

Quoting Airzim (Reply 42):
Like everything else in politics, not quite that simplistic.

Yes, actually, it was.

Quoting Airzim (Reply 44):
When did Iranair fly to TLV?

Pre-Revolution
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RE: Iran Air Of The Future?

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:30 am

Quoting Airzim (Reply 42):
Flights to TLV. Not in our lifetime.

From what I heard there were several flights a day before the revolution. There were even 747s operating the route.