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Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:48 am

Hi everybody,

As far as I know Lufthansa is planning to publish a new color scheme this year celebrating the airline's 50th Anniversary. I'm not talking here about the Airbus A321 in retro colors.

Does anybody know when the new colors will be published this year ?

Thanks,

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:20 am

Hello

There probably just put some text at the back or something - The retro is the 50th birthday though in it.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:27 am

I never heard of that, the only thing I heard that a new livery is planed with the introduction of the A380 like they did with the 747-400.
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:40 am

I also never heard about that. It must be the A321 in retro colours.

They are a little conservative with their colours. They don`t want to change it to often.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:45 am

Great to hear LH will get a new livery, and they'll be the exception to all the other majors with attractive schemes that have adopted crappy liveries lately. The good thing here is that no matter what the new c/s are, they can't be any more boring than the current livery.

When will LH get the fist A380s? I can't wait for this change.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:51 am

I doubt they will change it. The current scheme is only about 25 years old. It`s just only a quarter century.  biggrin 

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:47 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5):
I doubt they will change it. The current scheme is only about 25 years old. It`s just only a quarter century.

Axel

Do your mathe, the current paint scheme was introduced in 1989 with the 747-400.
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:50 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 2):
I never heard of that, the only thing I heard that a new livery is planed with the introduction of the A380 like they did with the 747-400.

I several carries will do that. Wasn't SQ testing new color schemes on trial groups for their A388 EOS?
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:54 am

Would be lovely, but I think LH will change the paint scheme only with the arrival of the first A380, not before.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:14 am

Just out of curiosity, why does Lufthansa mark its aniversary based off of the restart of operations after WW2. In reality Lufthansa should be celebrating its 79th aniversarry this year. Lufthansa began when airlines "Deutsche Aero Lloyd" (DAL) and "Junkers Luftverkehr" merged on January 6, 1926 I understand why the Bundeswehr or the Government would restart counting aniversarries after WW@, but why an mere airline?
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:22 am

Vanguard737, Lufthansa specifically wanted to distance itself from what Luft Hansa (notice the difference in spelling - that, too, was a way of distancing itself) was before and, especially, during the war.

That's the reason why you won't see them celebrating their 79th anniversary for another 29 years.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:25 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 9):
Just out of curiosity, why does Lufthansa mark its aniversary based off of the restart of operations after WW2. In reality Lufthansa should be celebrating its 79th aniversarry this year. Lufthansa began when airlines "Deutsche Aero Lloyd" (DAL) and "Junkers Luftverkehr" merged on January 6, 1926 I understand why the Bundeswehr or the Government would restart counting aniversarries after WW@, but why an mere airline?

I believe that the current Lufthansa is really Lufthansa II. It has nothing to do with the original Lufthansa. That airline was destroyed during the war and a new airline was formed thereafter. Think of it like the original Pan Am and the 3 Pan Am's that came after. None of them could claim to have been related to the original.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Vanguard737 (Reply 9):
1926 I understand why the Bundeswehr or the Government would restart counting aniversarries after WW@, but why an mere airline?

This is a very german thing and surely has historic reasons. The airline was refounded after the war and therefore officially exists for 50 years now. For Germans everything just really went on a good way after WW2, so we have a stronger mental/positive relation to that.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:12 am

i thought the gulf war was only about 15 years ago?!?!?!

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting Chris7217 (Thread starter):
As far as I know Lufthansa is planning to publish a new color scheme this year celebrating the airline's 50th Anniversary. I'm not talking here about the Airbus A321 in retro colors.

If you are talking about what I think you are talking about... it's been a few weeks ago since they did this. There is a very nice picture on a.net in black/white. Don't know the aircraft reg. though. And by the way, I think it's just for that one aircraft as a retro-celebration thing. Not for the entire fleet. But I could be mistaken...
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:38 am

Thrilled to hear that, but I have to agree. Lufthansa will prolly wait with the introduction untill the next big event - the introduction of the A380 to their fleet. If they had really wanted to change the livery with their borthday, they would have introduced it for their birthday.

Even though I agree that Lufthansa's livery is rather boring, i think it is a perfect choice for the airline. It is very conservative and timeless, the white and grey seem rather elegant, and the logo is rather subtle. As a world-wide airline I don't really see them go buck-wild on their planes at all. I am just hoping for a little change in it so it looks a little more attractive to the eye!
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 6:46 am

Quoting Oldeuropean (Reply 5):
The current scheme is only about 25 years old.

So that means NW's bowling shoe colors was 23 years old?

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:13 am

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 4):
The good thing here is that no matter what the new c/s are, they can't be any more boring than the current livery.

I love the LH livery. I agree with FlyinTLow:

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
It is very conservative and timeless, the white and grey seem rather elegant, and the logo is rather subtle.

I think the simple understated one color liveries of LH, NW, JetBlue, JAL, Qantas, and Varig are stronger, allowing the true forms of the airplane to be seen without being gussied up like a French whore, ie. Although the new UA livery is growing on me, it has to.....

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:15 am

i was looking throuhg my aircraft on FS2004 when i was looking throuhg the MelJet 747-400 mega pack.. there was a Lufthansa 2005 New livery paint scheme.. i was wondering if this could be a artistic view of this new livery???





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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:39 am

Here are a few other possibilities from the Modified Airliner Photos website. I personally think the first two would be the best choices...

Option 1

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Option 2

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Option 3

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Option 4

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:45 am

The A380 looks like the WN Shamu scheme on steroids. The last livery is a little "too" much. Personally, I like the first one the best, though I think that "LUFTHANSA" is a little big on that one .

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:53 am

I LOVE option 2! Maybe I'll suggest this one at work tomorrow  Wink.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:02 pm

I also like option 2, and the two pics of 3D model scheme above as well. The shamu is horrible, and the fourth one is too Austin Powers, baby!
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 12:05 pm

I like the 2nd best, then 4, then 3. 1 is just ugly...
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:05 pm

I think that LH will eventually change their livery just a bit. I think the Crane should be a bit larger on the tail so it can be noticed easier. Other than that I love LH's current livery and it fits them well.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:16 pm

To me it seems that all the above paint schemes are a bit too fancy for LH. I think LH will go for a very simple livery, probably based on the current one as it suits them well. When you look at the above examples, the yellow and large blue areas are too powerful and don't fit LH. When you think of LH, you think of clean, white planes, and I think LH will again go for a dominantly white livery as it reflects their image.
Anyway, can't wait to see what their designers will put on the A380 in two years time.

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:40 pm

Quoting LHB727230Adv (Reply 25):
LH will again go for a dominantly white livery as it reflects their image.

Besides, on a white aircraft it is easy for all to see that the aircraft is clean. Probably LH management has read these thousands of threads on this Forum and wishes to make a strong anti-AF statement  Wink Big grin Big grin Big grin
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:43 pm

Quoting CaptainTim (Reply 18):
i was looking throuhg my aircraft on FS2004 when i was looking throuhg the MelJet 747-400 mega pack.. there was a Lufthansa 2005 New livery paint scheme.. i was wondering if this could be a artistic view of this new livery???

Argh.....they would have to change their name to Von Ryanair!

Maybe they could then change the name of that lowcost they have a stake in to Von Ryanair's Express.....
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:53 pm

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 27):
Maybe they could then change the name of that lowcost they have a stake in to Von Ryanair's Express

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:47 pm

Quoting LHB727230Adv (Reply 25):
I think LH will go for a very simple livery, probably based on the current one as it suits them well.

Yes, if they change their colours, it will be a typical LH minimalistic scheme with blue, yellow, white, and grey.
The logo and the Lufthansa titles will change a little bit and that was it. They are conservative and expect their clients, mostly business customers, as beeing conservative too.
They have a long tradition of boringly painted airplanes

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Mon Jun 06, 2005 9:14 pm

If LH is going to introduce a new livery, the dominating "colour" will still be - white, and there is a reason for that. They should, however, find a way to make a mostly white fuselage look more distinguishable from other "eurowhite" planes.
The changes will most likely be applied carefully; no radical changes, no fancy and no retro styled design.
Those proposals from Modified Airliners all, without exception, completely ignore what LH stands for as well as the most elementar design rules that help shaping a brand. The second proposal is, IMO, the only design which is nice to look at, but at the same time it's clearly too much retro.

Yes, Lufthansa's livery could stand an update, but as much as their current design may be considered boring, the only thing that really bugs me is the circle around the crane which is a relict from LH's early logo.
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Tue Jun 07, 2005 3:06 pm

Where should I start..

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 15):
It is very conservative and timeless, the white and grey seem rather elegant, and the logo is rather subtle

Did you mean to say the logo is elegant and the white and gray subtle?  Wink Also, yes the Condor flying through the sun is a great timeless logo, but there isn't anything timless about the overall livery, which is already starting to look dated -very early 90's. Not ugly but not pretty either. I don't live in Germany and I'm sick of how boring it is.. on a 747!


The livery in post 18, just another dark blue on white livery that looks like a million others, perhaps ok for a cargo airline. I don't know about you all, but I'm visually sick of that color combination. Every damn airline nowadays seems to be getting a color scheme similar to that, c'mon now..

As for the liveries on post 19:

1option. That looks ridiculous, sorry.

2option. Best overall design (although the tail could be better). This one is cool and modern yet manages to be elegant. That blue has some green on it which is more eye-pleasing than the current serious and cold LH purple-blue.

3option. That is just ugly, sorry Lila design.

4option. The tail area is very original although i'm not a fan of these assymetrical designs. Not too worry, LH will never change to a paintscheme this bold anyways.

Anything will be an improvement but I'm afraid to see the timeless sun crane be altered or changed. This is perhaps the 2nd most widely-recognized airline logo, after Pan Am's.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:06 pm

Hi Peeps,

CaptainTim: if that livery is actually in the works, hear hear. I never thought I'd say this but it reminds me /positively/ of the Virgin livery. Very tasteful.

As for the four alternatives:

OPTION 1: Studio 54 meets King Tut. That's not a compliment.

OPTION 2: Jet Airways with the h-hold broken. Bad, bad, bad.

OPTION 3: It does look like a killer whale; playful but I think a bit dark in vivo, and probably expensive, relatively speaking.

OPTION 4:

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 31):
4option. The tail area is very original although i'm not a fan of these assymetrical designs. Not too worry, LH will never change to a paintscheme this bold anyways.

To me it looks like a Lufthansa take on Air Tahiti Nui. Maybe not 100% original, but still striking and very attractive. I agree, however, that LH are (sadly) too conservative to plump for this one.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:39 pm

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 31):
Did you mean to say the logo is elegant and the white and gray subtle? Wink Also, yes the Condor flying through the sun is a great timeless logo, but there isn't anything timless about the overall livery, which is already starting to look dated -very early 90's. Not ugly but not pretty either. I don't live in Germany and I'm sick of how boring it is.. on a 747!

Trust me, you get bored really quickly should you visit FRA for an hour. But still, in my opinion it is a lot more timeless than for example, UAs new livery. Or NWs bowling shoe. And that is what LH will go for again. Maybe a slight change to the logo (maybe a different circle or something, maybe more 3d looking, some shine to it maybe???), maybe a line or two on the rear of the fuselage? And I think, no matter what the design is, it is really really really time for LH to put their logo on those winglets. Almost all their planes have them (except for the B737s), so in my opinion it is a must!!!

Quoting MIAMIx707 (Reply 31):
he livery in post 18, just another dark blue on white livery that looks like a million others, perhaps ok for a cargo airline. I don't know about you all, but I'm visually sick of that color combination. Every damn airline nowadays seems to be getting a color scheme similar to that, c'mon now..

Have to kinda disappoint you there. That color combination has been around since LH began flying again in '55, and was around even before that. Slim chances of LH getting rid of either one of the colors. But LH should be proud of all the airlines copying!

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:20 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 33):
But LH should be proud of all the airlines copying!

Yes, I noticed (and I think also others did) that the Jet Airways scheme is very similar to the old LH colours.


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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:34 pm

I agree with all that LHs livery is a bit boring, but have to say that the tail design and its carefully choosen tones of colour, the dark blue with a lot of red in it and the yellow almost orange, are among the best tail designs ever.

LH won´t change their colourscheme anytime soon, but when they´ll finally do it (hopefully taking advantage of the A380´s introduction!), they won´t change the tail a lot.

A good colourscheme lasts about 20 years. I bet we won´t have to wait another 10 years for LH to redo it - as much as I´m sure there won´t be a new one in the next two years.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Wed Jun 08, 2005 10:54 pm

I think number 2 looks awesome and Luftahnsa should use it. But I have a very good feeling they will not be changin any time soon.
 
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:50 pm

Woah.. the livery is now already over 15 years old? Man do I feel old....

I still remember very well when they introduced the test scheme on the 737-200 D-ABFW "Wolfsburg", which looked a bit like an egg "sunny side up". In my opinion it was too colourful for a rather conservative airline like LH and would better fit to their charter carrier Condor. Well, seems I was not the only one who thought that  Wink

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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:09 am

phew, good thing Lufthansa didn't use the later-Condor livery. That would have just been a little too hard on the eyes for us FRA workers!
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RE: Lufthansa's New Color 2005

Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:19 am

Those M.A.P. variations are all too ridiculously garish for LH, with the possible exception of #2 - but in context, these are people having fun with liveries and not atcually submitting them.

I like the classic restraint of the current one - the only thing I could see them changing is making the word 'Lufthansa' larger (i.e. spreading into the window area, like many other airlines do), along with a small 'celebrating 50 years' historical mark.

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