Victor
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CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:23 am

i heard from my bro (he is CX LHR base crew).

he just receive an email from cx that the 4th LHR flight will be lunched later this year.

"Some great news to share with all of you. We will be launching our 4th flight to HKG this winter - cx256/7. We've also managed to improve the timings of cx252 and although it is not exactly aligned, it will all depart late morning/mid day in the winter"
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:33 am

Victor,

Seems that CX is not only increasing their services to London - Frankfurt as well.

Between July 2nd to August 31st, 2005 CX will have 4 additional flights to Frankfurt. It'll be CX283 (Airbus A343) from Hong Kong and CX282 to Hong Kong.

Maybe this flight will even be established beyond this particular time ..?

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:33 am

Cool............. will BA follow suite and introduce and extra flight.

Another question, can VS still compete when they are being sandwiched like this?

Victor, any idea what type of metal are they putting on this route?

cheers
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:53 am

The capacity of the HKG-LHR market to continually sustain more and more seats, and still maintain relatively high loads and yields for the airlines flying it (now BA, CX, VS and QF) never ceases to amaze me!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:08 am

Does this mean a JFK-LHR route as well. Beacuse it was rumored thatthe 4th HKG-LHR route would continioue to JFK
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:09 am

Quoting MNeo (Reply 4):
Does this mean a JFK-LHR route as well. Beacuse it was rumored thatthe 4th HKG-LHR route would continioue to JFK

Doubtful - this would require yet another pair of slots in addition to the ones required to operate the 4th daily HKG-LHR.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:31 am

Great news indeed. I can't exactly tell how excited folks at Cathay are about the 4x daily London flight. It would be quite fair to say Heathrow is the foremost destination CX would ever order and fly some giant A380s. However, as far as what we see, the airline is just more into topping up frequencies instead

Guess it's so much for the popular myth of "A380 for Heathrow"...
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:36 am

What about Manchester?

Any other new routes coming onstream. At one stage, believe it or not, they were even talking about Tehran!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:46 am

Quoting TGBoi (Reply 2):
Cool............. will BA follow suite and introduce and extra flight.

BA have just recently introduced their 3rd Daily flight LHR-HKG.

Currently we have

BA 3 Daily 744
VS 1 Daily A346
CX 3 Daily 2 x744/A343
QFD 3 weekly 744 and 4 weekly from Nov.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:50 am

"What about Manchester?"

Well this is like the never-ending story. First it was going via Moscow twice a week, then the russians were asking for too much for pax rights so they were considering running it direct. Now that aint happening, apparently its now on hold until December and looking at sending it via FRA, this is according to a colleague of mine whos partner works for CX cargo at MAN and is trying to sort it all out!

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 3:04 am

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 6):
Guess it's so much for the popular myth of "A380 for Heathrow"...

CX has virtually no compelling need for an A380 - HKG has lots of room for expansion, and the airline's business strategy of competing based on frequencies has proven very successful.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:16 am

Great for CX!

The A380 would be used first on LAX-HKG if they ordered it, partly why they haven't ordered the A380 yet is because they want to make sure it can fly LAX-HKG year round with no restrictions!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:31 am

will they put another 744 or another a343 on this one? what times will it depart/arrive at egll?. Or maybe it havent been decided yet?.


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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:39 am

CX routes which can sustain A 380s:

1) HKG-LHR
2) HKG-LAX
3) HKG-SFO
4) HKG-YVR
5) HKG-SYD
6) HKG-TPE
7) HKG-NRT

etc etc.....

Seems that they are more interested in the B 747 Advanced though.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Flight85 (Reply 12):
will they put another 744 or another a343 on this one? what times will it depart/arrive at egll?. Or maybe it havent been decided yet?.

The typical Cathay would opt to operate a smaller A343 on whatever new service it has, as in its recent FRA, LAX expansion. I can comfortably bet on that.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:25 pm

Any chance to see the A346 here in Europe shortly ?


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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:42 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):
5) HKG-SYD

Not in the CX business plan.

They could do with a bigger aircraft on CX138 but CX139 loads are relatively open - 3 daily is what CX wants and has got - they're operated with either 333's or 343's with a seasonal 744 in the Southern Hemisphere summer being an occasional visitor.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:06 am

Not bad at all.

I remember they used to fly daily B 747-400 between HKG and SYD. Not anymore....

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 14):
The typical Cathay would opt to operate a smaller A343 on whatever new service it has, as in its recent FRA, LAX expansion. I can comfortably bet on that.

Heard that they plan to go triple daily B 747-400 between HKG and LHR before they add another A 340-300 flight
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 12:27 am

re. the new flight to FRA.

what I do not understand is the schedule. the 2nd flight is also (as the 1st one) leaving HKG at midnight and arr. at around 6:00 a.m. at FRA, but leaving FRA only at 20:00.

wouldn`t it make more sense to have a 12:00 o´clock HKG departure and 18:00 o´clock arrival at FRA?
much better for some connections from HKG and PAX would have a real choice to meet their travel plan

or have the overnight flights so much higher yield`s ???
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:32 am

Overnight flight have much higher yield, beside, rumours is that one of the flight would flying onto another port (Stockholm/Manchetser etc) from Frankfurt. If not, then at least, they use the downtown to carry out much needed maintance.

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 6:41 am

How come CX is only starting it's 4th daily to LHR now when EK is about to start their 5th daily? I would have thought that CX would have more daily flights to LHR that EK would?

Or is it cause BA has 3 daily to HK? Then again BA has 2 daily to DXB but VS does not fly to DXB. But Royal Brunei flies direct to LHR from Dubai as well....

Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...

I am just saying my opinion... please comment and correct me where I am wrong!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting Twa@FRA (Reply 18):
re. the new flight to FRA.

what I do not understand is the schedule. the 2nd flight is also (as the 1st one) leaving HKG at midnight and arr. at around 6:00 a.m. at FRA, but leaving FRA only at 20:00.

wouldn`t it make more sense to have a 12:00 o´clock HKG departure and 18:00 o´clock arrival at FRA?
much better for some connections from HKG and PAX would have a real choice to meet their travel plan

or have the overnight flights so much higher yield`s ???

I also don't understand this decision. A 14-hour ground time in FRA seems a loss of valuable utilization, but someone here mentioned in an earlier thread that the FRA groundtime would be used for some maintenance. I would assume then, that LH would be carrying out this maintenance, which still doesn't make sense to me, because they could easily keep the aircraft in HKG for 12 hours longer and have the maintenance done by their own staff.

As for the perceived need for an overnight HKG-FRA flight, both LH (to FRA) and KL (to AMS) seem to be doing quite well with their daylight westbound patterns, so why would CX be unable to make it work on this, a seasonal addition. After all, CX's regular FRA-flight is still operating according to a double-overnight pattern.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:26 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 20):
Are you telling me that the loads from DXB to LHR are higher than the loads from HK to LHR??? Cause if this is the case, then this will make DXB hub as important as the HK hub in contrary to what was previously said that DXB hub is no where close to HK hub...

Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...

On the HKG-LHR run, we currently have:
1) CX: 3 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: Single daily
4) QF: 3 times weekly (to be increased to 4 times weekly by November 2005).

Eventually we have the potentials to see:
1) CX: 4 times daily
2) BA: 3 times daily
3) VS: double daily
4) QF: single to double daily
5) NZ: single daily
6) BMI: single daily (They are planning to start service)
7) Oasis: single daily
8) Dragonair: single daily

And lots of people from Hong Kong go through SIN and other places to go to LHR.

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:44 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 22):
Last year we handled around 38-40 million passengers. DXB was no where close to that number. We are a hub not only for LHR but USA, Australia, China, Taiwan and other parts of Asia...

I am not talking about total loads. Dubai handled 22 million passengers. I am talking about loads to LHR. If you want to compare the amount of flights from DXB to LHR to the ones from HK to LHR then they are quite close.

So this makes DXB an important hub... I am not saying it is better othan HK or handles more passengers in total. It is also as important. VS will start flying to Dubai as of the 1st of April and they wish to have 2-3 daily to DXB within 2 years! DXB expexts to handle upto 60 million passengers by 2010. This makes it as important.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 22):
8) Dragonair: single daily

Will they be allowed to fly International. I thought they were only used for regional flights? I think Dragonair are an amazing airline!!! I fly them last year. If they fly International then they will Kick Ass bigtime!!! But they are owned by CX so I don't think CX will use them outside of China!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:48 pm

so does anyone know what the timing of the 4th daily CX service will be.??

i think there are two obvious options... a morning dep ex HKG, or a late afternoon.. although this would be a little tight due to curfew.

HKG 0900
LHR 1500

this makes sense as it would connect with the overnight from SYD, and possible overnight from MEL in the future.

The other option is for another mid-afternoon,
HKG 1600
LHR 2200

although there are curfew implications with this option. connectivity from SYD, MEL and North Asia would be great.

LHR-HKG another midday to 1800 departure would be excellent for amorning arrival into HKG, allowing onward connections. again, this would feed into the morning dep to SYD, and possibly a new morning services HKG-MEL.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:53 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 23):
Will they be allowed to fly International. I thought they were only used for regional flights? I think Dragonair are an amazing airline!!! I fly them last year. If they fly International then they will Kick Ass bigtime!!! But they are owned by CX so I don't think CX will use them outside of China!

The majority shareholder of Dragonair is CITIC, not Cathay Pacific, though CX is planning on a 100% takeover of Dragonair.

Yes they have applied for international rights and they got them. They did it when CX applied for rights to China. They are already flying to NRT, BKK, TPE etc. They have also gained approval to fly to SYD and they will be flying HKG-SYD by the end of this year.

They are interested to fly to LHR.

Quoting EK156 (Reply 23):
So this makes DXB an important hub... I am not saying it is better othan HK or handles more passengers in total. It is also as important. VS will start flying to Dubai as of the 1st of April and they wish to have 2-3 daily to DXB within 2 years! DXB expexts to handle upto 60 million passengers by 2010. This makes it as important.

By 2020, we expect to handle around 70-80 million passengers.

Yes the number of flights between HKG and LHR are similar to DXB-LHR for now. This is mainly due to two factors:

1) DXB-LHR/DXB-LGW are closer than HKG-LHR

2) In the past our Hong Kong adopted a protection policy for CX and they didn't give out too many stopover rights. However the situation has changed over the past few years and the government tends to open the skies and allow more carriers to fly to Hong Kong or use HKG as a hub.

HKG-LHR has huge potentials though.

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Tue Jun 07, 2005 9:26 pm

Quoting EK156 (Reply 23):
So this makes DXB an important hub

EK's hub strength at DXB is based a lot on its connectivity between the UK and India. With the new bilaterals and lots more capacity coming online, EK might find itself with reduced demand for LHR-DXB-BOM connections.

HKG is probably a much stronger O&D destination from LHR than DXB.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:32 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 13):

CX would rather have multiple dailies departing at different times utilizing smaller aircrafts rather than 1 big whale jet doing 1x daily.

More flights = more connecting options = more attractive to passengers.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:36 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 25):
though CX is planning on a 100% takeover of Dragonair.

Are CX and Dragonair going to merge? If the answer's yes, then all I have to say is: about darn time! I think CX and KA are a perfect match and this whole convoluted ownership structure of one versus the other is ridiculous and counterproductive for HKG's competitiveness against other hubs and other airlines in the region. Combining the market power of CX's absolutely phenomenal service and global network reach with the unmatched access KA provides into mainland China would make a combined CX, and the HKG hub, a juggernaut to be reckoned with!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:42 am

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 27):
More flights = more connecting options = more attractive to passengers.

Nice and simple strategy, but it has just served the airline well. If I am not mistaken, CX has even made it explicit as a goal to operate at least twice daily to all long haul destinations, plus frequent departures to regional cities every 4 hours. So obviously there are still a lot of gap to fill in, provided that the airline really means what it says.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:54 am

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 7):
At one stage, believe it or not, they were even talking about Tehran!

So did they cancel plans for the new Tehran route??
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:03 pm

3 B 747-400s/ B 747 Advanced(s) and 1 A 340-300 per day berween HKG and LHR would make sense.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 28):
Are CX and Dragonair going to merge? If the answer's yes, then all I have to say is: about darn time! I think CX and KA are a perfect match and this whole convoluted ownership structure of one versus the other is ridiculous and counterproductive for HKG's competitiveness against other hubs and other airlines in the region. Combining the market power of CX's absolutely phenomenal service and global network reach with the unmatched access KA provides into mainland China would make a combined CX, and the HKG hub, a juggernaut to be reckoned with!

Yes CX is interested in buying KA 100%.

CX will continue to expand into China as well as globally. They are still waiting for the approval to fly to PVG. They are already flying to Xiamen and Beijing

KA has already started service to NRT, TPE, BKK etc. Will fly to SYD in late 2005.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:17 pm

Prediction: CX won't need A380. :P
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:35 pm

Get the B 747 Advanced then!!! GO CX!
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:38 pm

Note that the latest RFP from CX is for A346 and B773ER only.

Looks like they agree that A380/B747ADV aren't needed (yet?)
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:51 pm

You can't submit an RFP for an aircraft that is not on offer. This is the reason why there is no mention of the 747Adv. Talks are still on-going about those.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 31):
KA has already started service to NRT, TPE, BKK etc. Will fly to SYD in late 2005.

KA flying to SYD is nothing short of suicidal.

I know that they have a good China network, but given that capacity on the sector has almost doubled in the last 12 months, I can't see how they would make a $$$.

They would be best placed to keep their expansion plans to Australia in check, and perhaps codeshare with CX, or better still merge.

China/HK - Sydney

CX - 21PW
QF - 18PW
VS - 7PW

CA - 7PW
MU - 7PW
CZ - 5PW

add to that other 6th freedom carriers such as SQ, TG and MH that pick up their fair of traffic, and the answer for KA is to stay put.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:43 pm

Quoting CX flyboy (Reply 35):
You can't submit an RFP for an aircraft that is not on offer. This is the reason why there is no mention of the 747Adv. Talks are still on-going about those.

You are right. You can't submit an RFP for something which is not on offer.

CX is VERY INTERESTED in the B 747 Advanced though.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 36):

KA flying to SYD is nothing short of suicidal.

I know that they have a good China network, but given that capacity on the sector has almost doubled in the last 12 months, I can't see how they would make a $$$.

They would be best placed to keep their expansion plans to Australia in check, and perhaps codeshare with CX, or better still merge.

China/HK - Sydney

CX - 21PW
QF - 18PW
VS - 7PW

CA - 7PW
MU - 7PW
CZ - 5PW

add to that other 6th freedom carriers such as SQ, TG and MH that pick up their fair of traffic, and the answer for KA is to stay put.

True.

They have the rights though and they plan to start service in late 2005.

Umm..... I doubt they will have PTVs or flatbeds etc. Perhaps they can offer some good/low prices to attract customers who are willing to pay less for less service?
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 37):
Umm..... I doubt they will have PTVs or flatbeds etc. Perhaps they can offer some good/low prices to attract customers who are willing to pay less for less service?

the 330s delivered this year to KA have PTVs in all classes, even in EY.
Under current HK-Australia bilaterals, KA can serve 3PW if i'm not mistaken since CX already operates 51PW to Australia.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:07 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 37):
Perhaps they can offer some good/low prices to attract customers who are willing to pay less for less service?

offer low prices?? how much lower can they go??

VS was offering A$400 per person return last week ex-SYD, and most times you can fly for around under $1000.

The fares to HKG are cheap as they are....

United - when you make your comments, do you make them with any consideration for commerial returns to the airlines, or are they purely on your wish list for spotting purposes??
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:27 pm

VS has been offering a 2-for-1 special in HK for the past week for HK$4990 (approx US$600 / 500 Euros) for 2 to SYD in June (+ HK$500 only for summer peak seaon in July / August). The deal also includes 2 Airport Express return tickets.

VS has also been offering the same 2-for-1 special for Premium Economy for HK$7990 (approx US$1000 / 850 Euros). Instead of the AEL tickets, this deal includes limousine sevice to and from HK airport.

Both offers accrue flying club miles.

See how desperate VS is?

How low can KA get under these kinds of deals offered by competitors on the same route?

[Edited 2005-06-08 09:28:37]
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:41 pm

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 38):
the 330s delivered this year to KA have PTVs in all classes, even in EY. Under current HK-Australia bilaterals, KA can serve 3PW if i'm not mistaken since CX already operates 51PW to Australia.

Oh really? I checked it on KA's website but there is no news regarding PTVs on economy. I know they have it in First.... And I know they have big screens in economy

If they start service between HKG and SYD I suppose KA will go daily eventually....

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 39):
VS was offering A$400 per person return last week ex-SYD, and most times you can fly for around under $1000.

The fares to HKG are cheap as they are....

A few weeks ago it was like AU$ 330-390 per person, companion fare.

Quoting 6thfreedom (Reply 39):
United - when you make your comments, do you make them with any consideration for commerial returns to the airlines, or are they purely on your wish list for spotting purposes??

I could care less. Coz I won't fly KA even if they fly here. But they DO have plans to fly to Australia by the end of this year. Even travel agents are aware of this. I know it's ganna be hard for them..... I wish them luck though.

They even have plans to fly to LHR. They have already started service to NRT, TPE, BKK etc.

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 40):
VS has been offering a 2-for-1 special in HK for the past week for HK$4990 (approx US$600 / 500 Euros) for 2 to SYD in June (+ HK$500 only for summer peak seaon in July / August). The deal also includes 2 Airport Express return tickets.

VS has also been offering the same 2-for-1 special for Premium Economy for HK$7990 (approx US$1000 / 850 Euros). Instead of the AEL tickets, this deal includes limousine sevice to and from HK airport.

That's cheap. Penetration pricing I suppose..... 

[Edited 2005-06-08 09:51:08]
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:02 pm

Quoting Jakob77 (Reply 38):

Under current HK-Australia bilaterals, KA can serve 3PW if i'm not mistaken since CX already operates 51PW to Australia.

Yes right, CX operate 52 flights per week Down Under currently, leaving KA with a maximum right of 3 weekly. But then the Australian/Hong Kong bilateral will enter its second phrase in March 2006 where flight quota will be significantly lifted up to 70. Do expect this to open up a new floodgate of air traffic. If I am not mistaken, MEL will be the first to receive a boost in capacity, as far as Cathay's plan is concerned.
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 8:49 pm

Press Release

15 April 2004

- DRAGONAIR WELCOMES HONG KONG-AUSTRALIA AIR SERVICES AGREEMENT
- Targets Second Half of 2005 For Launch of Services To Sydney

(HONG KONG) Dragonair Chief Executive Officer Stanley Hui welcomed the agreement on air services concluded today that provides for more flights between Hong Kong and Australia. He said that the airline was aiming to launch services to Sydney in the second half of next year.

"This is good for Hong Kong as an aviation hub and for the travelling public, offering greater choice on routes between Hong Kong and Australia where there is still demand in the market," said Mr. Hui.

"The agreement also opens the way for Dragonair to begin services to Australia," he explained. "We have the licence and following with today's agreement, the access and designation."


Source: http://www.dragonair.com/icms/servle...ate?series=5&article=1938&lang=eng



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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:19 pm

The PR is from April last year. Market conditions have changed greatly since then especially with the addition of VS on the route and the deeply-discounted fares they've been offering.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:35 pm

Well according to my travel agent they are coming at the end of this year. So we better wait and see...

VS is doing badly because LHR-HKG/HKG-LHR are overbooked by passengers travelling between these two cities and passengers who wish to travel from London to Sydney or from Sydney to London are unable to get on these flights. They should add another daily flight between HKG and LHR to solve the problem.

KA has good connections to China and other parts of Asia. They should give it a try!

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:19 am

Well regarding KA's Sydney ambition, according to my sources close to the company the plan has already been put on hold, citing current "unfavourable" market condition. Besides, given that airline is very short of widebodies at the moment, it may not be very worthwhile its binds its equipments on an unprofitable route, where on the other hand $$ can be instantly made out of China. Of course I have MY OWN conspiracy theory to tell that the development has something to do with the recent CX/KA(/CA) merger talk -- so to speak a rumour, or is it...??  stirthepot 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:38 pm

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 46):
Well regarding KA's Sydney ambition, according to my sources close to the company the plan has already been put on hold, citing current "unfavourable" market condition. Besides, given that airline is very short of widebodies at the moment, it may not be very worthwhile its binds its equipments on an unprofitable route, where on the other hand $$ can be instantly made out of China. Of course I have MY OWN conspiracy theory to tell that the development has something to do with the recent CX/KA(/CA) merger talk -- so to speak a rumour, or is it...??

Go to: http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/ab.../press/0,3845,31342-116968,00.html

They have denied the rumour 100% and Swire assured that they will continue to be the majority shareholder of CX in the very long run.

KA has the resources and have upgraded its A 330s. They can fly to SYD anytime. Hope they will come eventually.... Let's wait and see.
 
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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:00 pm

Quoting United Airline (Reply 47):
Go to: http://www.cathaypacific.com/intl/ab.../press/0,3845,31342-116968,00.html

They have denied the rumour 100% and Swire assured that they will continue to be the majority shareholder of CX in the very long run.

No worries. Having been following the news and other related development myself I am well aware of the media refutal. Still, my point is the joint statement openly admits there is a discussion between Air China and Cathay on the future of their associate KA. Hence my previous post bracketed CA to imply its involvement.

Quoting United Airline (Reply 47):
KA has the resources and have upgraded its A 330s. They can fly to SYD anytime. Hope they will come eventually.... Let's wait and see.

Not until they get the ETOPS certification needed.

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RE: CX Will Lunch The 4th LHR Later This Year

Thu Jun 09, 2005 3:17 pm

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 48):
No worries. Having been following the news and other related development myself I am well aware of the media refutal. Still, my point is the joint statement openly admits there is a discussion between Air China and Cathay on the future of their associate KA. Hence my previous post bracketed CA to imply its involvement.

CX has taken a 10% stake in Air China. I suppose CA might take up to 10% share of CX. But Swire will definitely continue to be the major shareholder in the long run. From what I heard CX plans to take over KA 100%.

Quoting CXoneWorld (Reply 48):
Not until they get the ETOPS certification needed.

Oh I thought they are already certified. They better do it soon