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NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 11:14 am

I just saw an advertisement in the Star Tribune want ads, and there was an advertisement for Flight Attendants amongst other jobs.

However, the fine print at the bottom says will be hired in the event of a work stoppage and/or labor dispute.

What about that?
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:04 pm

Thats odd, they are recalling all F/A's and im sure some will not come back leaving openings to come.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:09 pm

Quoting Admluvs2fly (Thread starter):
However, the fine print at the bottom says will be hired in the event of a work stoppage and/or labor dispute.

What about that?

NWA now hiring scabs...
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 1:46 pm

That ad was prolly in every major newspaper in the US. It was in the St. Louis Post-Dispatch this morning.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 2:42 pm

What about it? It's on Monster.com as well. This most likely a scare tactic that they're going to use to frighten us. Northwest is going behind the backs of the flight attendants anticipating that the FA's will stage a sickout, in the event of a mechanics strike or a flight attendant walk-out, which most likely won't happen. What's worse, is that our union has yet to respond to this. There's not even a mention on our union webpage.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 4:56 pm

Do they recruit flight attendents from overseas? Do you have to be a US citizen?
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:01 pm

Is it possible they are making plans in the event of a strike by workers of another airline? Perhaps they are expecting a flood of passengers. Wasn't it United that was looking at a possible strike? Or did that all get resolved?
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 5:19 pm

story was that they would also "help" clean the planes since NWA will be all but dropping cleaners.

Also rumor about imposing an annual $50 non=rev privelege fee
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 7:08 pm

Job Search.com has alot of NWA F/A openings, but all in case of a work stoppage....as far as the cleaning side of NWA, the mediator has until the 8th to make his ruling on weather or not it is an impass on the contract with the cleaners and mechanics.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Mon Jun 06, 2005 10:24 pm

I suppose 100,000 people will apply for the position of NWA Flight Attendant. Newspaper job ads can attract huge # of applicants, especially F/A applicants.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 8:54 am

Quoting M404 (Reply 7):
story was that they would also "help" clean the planes since NWA will be all but dropping cleaners.

A little bit off the topic but the flight attendants at US are now required to "tidy" the aircraft after each leg (with exceptions: RON, trans-con, int. legs). The cleaners were all fired durig the second bankruptcy. All I can say is that the aircraft cabins have never looked better!! And it gets done faster. Even the most frequent flyers are taking notice and writing in to the company.

In addition, contract cleaners now hired to clean the aircraft at night do a much better job. Pillow cases are changed, carpet vaccumed, blankets folded, lavs and tray tables cleaned. Senior US cleaners (yes, senior cleaners) made upwards of 60K a year. Too bad our planes usually looked like crap. I guess they got what they deserved.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:56 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 6):
Is it possible they are making plans in the event of a strike by workers of another airline? Perhaps they are expecting a flood of passengers. Wasn't it United that was looking at a possible strike? Or did that all get resolved?

Could very well be, Indy. However, all that needs to happen now at UA is that the pension numbers are signed off by the actuaries of UA and the IAM, and then they'll officially have a tentative agreement for the membership to vote on. If that doesn't happen (extremely unlikely at this stage) then it's back to square 1. However, they have until the 17th of June to agree on the numbers and tell the judge the t/a is official. Then once it is, the rank and file votes and will most likely approve it.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:21 pm

I am just looking at this ad on careerbuilder.com, I should apply, lol.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 1:36 pm

Quoting Hammer (Reply 8):
Job Search.com has alot of NWA F/A openings, but all in case of a work stoppage....

NWA has a long and proven history of playing hardball with the unions.

NWA was a legacy carrier that never paid legacy wages. I think they pay well right now, partly because there haven't been any pay reductions.

There are many very senior NWA flight attendants. I wonder if they would be so quick to mess with their jobs like that. A sympathy strike, even though protected by federal law, is a tricky thing. Being close to retirement, they may not want a hassle like this.

Delta is full of very senior flight attendants as well. People are taking retirement in increasing numbers. Our career paths have pretty much disappeared.

Doesn't surprise me one bit to hear of NWA management doing this.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 2:27 pm

I also think this is a scare tactic for NWA. Think about it, do you think they would train hundreds of Certified F/A wasting all that time and money. Btw, putting an ad in major US papers is not cheap either. Wonder what's going on at NWA???
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 10:52 pm

FYI. The remaing 691 or so F/A's on furlough are being recalled on 31 July for the August flying month. Although I think these ads are part of the scare tactics and possible pool of potential hires under a number of scenarios.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Tue Jun 07, 2005 11:23 pm

Quoting Rhino4ever (Reply 15):
Although I think these ads are part of the scare tactics and possible pool of potential hires under a number of scenarios.

I agree with you. First and foremost, this is to scare the Flight Attendant's into not striking. This is really going to be a make or break contract for the PFAA. This is their first negotiations, and frankly there is a lot of dissent within the union.

The FA's widely know there is no strike fund, and based on what has been happening at other airlines, they know for the most part that a strike would kill the airline. Further, with NW hiring flight attendants for a work stoppage, they get the signal that if they strike, they're on their own. They are all aware of how many former FA's are out there that would kill to get back to a major.

I do think that this serves a dual purpose too. As has been stated, there are many senior flight attendants retiring, which NW is going to have to replace. By training these folks once, they will be all set, minus some refresher training if they don't ever fly.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:59 am

Braniff727,

Could not have said it better myself. First off they will be no strike and you pointed out all the reasons. I believe strongly that there are hundreds of senior f/a's putting in there retirement paperwork as we speak. They are going to want to get out while under the IBT contract. So these so called SCAB replacement f/a's will probably be hired to replace retiring f/a's. NWA isn't stupid and want to be ready when all this happens. The small print on the bottom of these ads is a scare tactic and guess what it's going to work. So I say apply.. You could be flying for a major sooner than you think even without a labor dispute.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:18 am

Can somebody tell me how hard it is to fly international on NW as a FA? How about wide-body flying? I have been flying with US as a FA for seven years and am tired of flying single aisle domestic. I was never senior enough to fly international or wide-body domestic on US.

I have family in Wisconsin. I'm thinking I may apply. I would love to be able to get home easier on NW. Also, it would be so much easier for my mother to fly NW and take advantage of her benefits.

Can anyone help me out?
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 2:29 am

NW is hiring FA's in case they decide to go on strike. Here's a whole article about this from the AP:

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/050607/northwest_flight_attendants.html?.v=2

Key quote:

"The job description, placed by recruitment firm Spherion Corp., says people "who successfully complete the Flight Attendant training may be offered employment in the event of a labor dispute or strike.""
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 3:32 am

DCAflyboy,

Believe me you will do a lot of single aisle flying but you also will do your share of international. On reserve it is hit or miss. I just talked to a friend who is very junior on reserve and he has had 1 international trip in the last 3-4 months. If you have family in Wisconsin NWA is by far the best airline to work for as far as pass travel privledges. Hope this helps.

Rocco
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:30 am

First and foremost, THIS IS A SCARE TACTIC. Secondly, I AM NOT SCARED.

We are so far away from even being ready to strike it's not even funny. NWA filed with the NMB for AMFA to be released after 24 days of negotiations, and they never, I say never even talked about financials.

PFAA has been negotiating in mediation for 14 days, today starting the 15th. We have only exchanged proposals. NWA continues to drag their feet in the negotiations process but they have chosen to play this out differently in the media. They have yet to provide information that they are required by law to give to PFAA. They have shown NO integrity throughout the short process of meeting with the employee groups.

If and this is a big IF, there is a strike, it will not be your typical strike. We will likely use CHOAS. NWA might keep this company running with a few hired mechanics, but they will not keep all the planes in the air with a few scab FA’s and some flying managers. Maybe they will realize what we actually do to keep our customers and planes moving through out our system.

NWA has hired some of the sharpest executives out there to try and break our unions. I hope they are aware that we are well calloused and tired of their piggish money grubbing, taken directly out of the hide of the hard working employees who keep this company going.

And that’s my $0.02

Cheers,
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 4:44 am

Rocco,

Thanks for the info. I grew up flying NW and always thought I would end up flying for them one day. Not sure I want to be a scab though or risk going from one struggling carrier to another.

Does anyone think this is a legitimate ad for long-term employment?
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 6:35 am

Does anyone think this is a legitimate ad for long-term employment?

I'd say, if you agree with the disclaimer and understand that this is not in any way an offer for employement from Northwest (as stated), then sure, why not.

Can somebody tell me how hard it is to fly international on NW as a FA?

A friend of mine has six years senority and does international often (NRT and AMS just to name a few).

Also, I heard that in the fall, NW will be hiring externally for F/A's to replace retirements. I would think that NW would be doing their normal "open house" events in this case.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:34 pm

DCAflyboy,
It is a tough deciscion to make. Leaving one carrier for another. NWA is not in the financial disaster that they would like to make everyone believe they are in.

As a reserve flight attendant you can fly anything and everything...many reserves get stuck doing many day trips while other get the 8 or 9 day south trips (DTW-NRT-and with in Asia and back to NRT-DTW). I am in my 9th year. I fly mostly A320(319) and 757 supplemented with 2 to 3 AMS trips per month.

NWA flight attendants are not new to these threats from our company. We had the 3 week wonders of 88 (also called strike babies) that never crossed a picket line and have been flying almost 17 years. You can just never tell what is going to happen...who know maybe NWA really needs FA's and this is a good time to try and scare the rest.

Good luck!
Cheers,
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:48 pm

Quoting M404 (Reply 7):
Also rumor about imposing an annual $50 non=rev privelege fee

Thats not a rumor, its going into effect on July 1st. A $50 annual fee per person for non-rev travel by non-employees (ie spouses, children, etc).

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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 12:51 pm

Can someone tell me where most new hire FAs become based at NW and what are the bases (besides MEM, DTW and MSP)? I think NW closed their CHI base and may have a base in SEA (probably very senior). Also, what is the usual amount of time FAs stay on reserve at NW? I'm sure it varies by base.

At US, we have reserve flight attendants at DCA that have 12 years seniority. It's pathetic.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:29 pm

Quoting DCAflyboy (Reply 10):
A little bit off the topic but the flight attendants at US are now required to "tidy" the aircraft after each leg (with exceptions: RON, trans-con, int. legs). The cleaners were all fired durig the second bankruptcy. All I can say is that the aircraft cabins have never looked better!! And it gets done faster.

You must be flying a different airline than the rest of us.  Yeah sure

(And no, I'm not blaming the flight attendants.)

Quoting DCAflyboy (Reply 10):
Senior US cleaners (yes, senior cleaners) made upwards of 60K a year. Too bad our planes usually looked like crap. I guess they got what they deserved.

Utility used to max out at $17.67 an hour, quite a bit short of $60K.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 1:30 pm

Historic threats are what they are . . . Union vs. Company in typical contract showdowns. The threats of late carry with them the backing of our current administration (white house, that is) which should include the warning: Labour beware, we'll step all over you to ensure a return to the stockholder. Sorry, I don't feel the need to subsidize cheap tickets and invest in the greed of corporate america.
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:40 pm

DCAflyboy,

To answer your questions...We have 9 bases they are

DTW: AMS(5), LGW, CDG, FCO, FRA, NRT(2), KIX, NGO
MSP: NRT(2), LGW, AMS(4)
MEM: AMS
LAX: NRT
SEA: NRT, AMS
HNL: NRT(2), KIX? (not sure on this one)
BOS: AMS
NYC: NRT
SFO: NRT

Reserve seniories vary at every base. Since layoffs began in 2001 many people have remained on reserve for many years. I believe in DTW end of 99 and 2000 hires is where reserves start.

DTW has the most international flying and huge variety of domestic flying. MSP has some international as well but it is limited. All other bases have international flying as well but most are limited to only one flight. There domestic trips seem to have many long sits and tend to be the same patterns over and over again (not as much variation). And you are right SEA is one of our most senior bases and MSP is quite senior as well.

Look for some new destinations with the indroduction of the 787 in the next 3 years. I truly believe that our careers at NWA will really see some movement in the next few years. Retirements and expanded flying will help move us along.

Hope the infor helps!
Cheers,
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:41 pm

Oh...most new hires are either placed in DTW or MSP!

Cheers,
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 9:55 pm

DCAflyboy,

In the last round of F/A hiring before 9/11 most new hires were sent to either DTW or MSP. BOS and NYC are considered relatively junior bases. Naturally HNL/LAX/SEA/SFO are considered senior with a large number of people waiting on the transfer list.

Reserve, of course depends on the base. Here in BOS, reserve generally starts around 8-9 years (1996/97 hires). Perhaps other NWA F/As on the forum could elaborate on the other bases. In the west we have reserve F/As at 13 years, which in my opinion, will get worse in the future.

Hope this helps,
Steve
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:36 pm

So when are these strikes suppose to be happening?
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:44 pm

Quoting Pilottim747 (Reply 25):
A $50 annual fee per person for non-rev travel by non-employees (ie spouses, children, etc).

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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:35 am

NWADC9,

I am not sure of the details but I believe there is a $200 cap per year. I guess you would call it a pass travel deductible.

Rocco
 
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:18 am

DCAFlyboy:

I would strongly discourage you from applying at NWA for purposes of being used as a replacement worker in the event of a strike. It really undermines the collective bargaining process and you most likely would not be treated in kind if and when the F/A's settled their contract dispute.

I know that several F/A's who crossed the picket line when AA struck in 1993 were shunned by their returning colleagues and their work lives were made very difficult. Many of them ended up leaving their careers at AA.

Although the idea of working wide-bodied aircraft across the globe may sound alluring, getting hired as a SCAB is not the way to achieve your career objectives.

I am not a union cheerleader by any means, but I believe in union solidarity when it comes to protecting hard-fought work rules, pay, and benefits. You'll feel much better about yourself waiting it out and in due time, your day as an international flight attendant will come.
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RE: NWA Hiring Flight Attendants

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:50 am

Quoting Jamake1 (Reply 35):
DCAFlyboy:

I would strongly discourage you from applying at NWA for purposes of being used as a replacement worker in the event of a strike. It really undermines the collective bargaining process and you most likely would not be treated in kind if and when the F/A's settled their contract dispute.

I know that several F/A's who crossed the picket line when AA struck in 1993 were shunned by their returning colleagues and their work lives were made very difficult. Many of them ended up leaving their careers at AA.

Although the idea of working wide-bodied aircraft across the globe may sound alluring, getting hired as a SCAB is not the way to achieve your career objectives.

I am not a union cheerleader by any means, but I believe in union solidarity when it comes to protecting hard-fought work rules, pay, and benefits. You'll feel much better about yourself waiting it out and in due time, your day as an international flight attendant will come.

I couldn't have said it better myself. The stigma of being a scab will follow you throughout your entire professional career.
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