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New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:09 pm

Today Eos Airlines announced plans to launch JFK-STN route with all biz class 757s.

See web site: http://www.eosairlines.com/ and press release: http://www.eosairlines.com/PressRelease_060805.pdf.

Despite the distance from STN to town, this niche might just work.
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:16 pm

Good luck to them. What ever happened to FlyFirst, who were going to operate into LTN?

Hopefully they will be able to pull it off - I know that some years ago BlueFox planned to launch routes from STN (using the Harrods Aviation terminal) with B767-300s, but nothing ever happened.

[Edited 2005-06-08 16:19:24]
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Wed Jun 08, 2005 11:24 pm

This must be really comfortable! They offer 48 seats in a 752. LH/PrivatAir offers 48 seats in a 73G, and that already gets very good reviews.
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:12 am

Looks really nice, but I expect this is another of those paper airlines that pops out of the woodwork now and again, and won't get any further than a pretty website and bunch of PR puff. Like BlueFox and Fly Riviera etc etc etc.

No indication on their website of interline agreements either end, or are they just planning O&D traffic.

No indication which terminal at JFK they want to use (this could make a difference too).

Plane ? or planes - if there's just one, what happens if the wheel falls off ? They'll have trouble finding a replacement with that sort of onboard comfort, and if you're getting people to shell out USD4-5000 one way, they'll scream the place down if they have to fly on some wet-lease Air Atlanta shed.
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:15 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
Looks really nice, but I expect this is another of those paper airlines that pops out of the woodwork now and again, and won't get any further than a pretty website and bunch of PR puff. Like BlueFox and Fly Riviera etc etc etc.

These sort of airlines only seem to work when they link up with a major carrier a la Privat Air with LH and LX.

Suspect this won't last long - if it even flies at all....

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:26 am

Good news!

What terminal will Eos use at JFK, 4??

Are they based @ JFK or STN?

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:35 am

Is this another MaxJet? MaxJet is supposed to start JFK-STN, but in a standard configuration 767.
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:09 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 3):
Plane ? or planes - if there's just one, what happens if the wheel falls off ? They'll have trouble finding a replacement with that sort of onboard comfort, and if you're getting people to shell out USD4-5000 one way, they'll scream the place down if they have to fly on some wet-lease Air Atlanta shed.

If you had read closely you would have seen that they already have 3 aircraft. There is no indication on how many they will have by the time they start flying.
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:11 am

Quoting LegendDC9 (Reply 7):
If you had read closely you would have seen that they already have 3 aircraft

Oh - I missed that bit on the website. Ta for the info. 3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:20 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
Oh - I missed that bit on the website. Ta for the info. 3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?

I wonder why they chose STN and not LGW or LTN. STN seems like an odd LON airport.

Maybe they'll start flying to other cities as well ..
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 1:32 am

Eos is not affiliated with MAXjet. Eos still has a ways to go with completing certification (DOT show cause, final manuals, evac, proving runs, etc.) Both Eos and MAXjet are real operations, not paper plans, going after different market segments.

Speaking of which, MAXjet will be operating proving runs next week, including JFK-STN trips. While proving run schedules can be variable depending on scenarios given to the airline, the a/c should be in JFK most of Tuesday (at Terminal One or Hangar 19) and STN (ramp Z) most of Thursday. I can share arrival/departure times if spotters are interested -- contact me directly.
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 2:39 am

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 8):
3 seems like a lot just to operate JFK-STN. How many dailies will they run ?

Nothing in there talking about the future, except for saying that the "first 3 aircraft" which leads me to believe that more are on the way. If BA was able to put people in the concorde 2-3 times a day, there is no reason to doubt that you can easily put 4-5 of these flights each way.
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 4:17 am

If you look at the management team they've put together...it looks good...a lot of ex CO and DL...it might just work...especially for the high end market....good luck...
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:10 am

any new updates with Primaris? thanks!
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 5:19 am

I am wondering why there are no mass-market, public-charter type carriers operating US-Europe/UK?
But I guess the world has enough airlines stuffing 250 into a standard 757....

The niche for expanded-service carriers across the Atlantic seems to be getting more than it's fair share of attention lately; but that's just me.
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:06 am

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 9):
I wonder why they chose STN and not LGW or LTN. STN seems like an odd LON airport.

STN is quite close to the City of London (our equivalent of Wall Street) and can take full-sized jets. LCY is, as the name suggests, in the city itself (Docklands area, basically), but doesn't accommodate ocean-going craft. LHR is convenient for the western half of town and (I think) is closer as the crow flies, but try getting from LHR to Liverpool Street at rush hour... LGW's further away. Plus, STN's cheaper, less crowded and has far more slots. There's also a business terminal (quite separate from the low-cost shed most of us know...). LTN, imho, is a dump.

Transport options from STN are plentiful, and considering their product, the clientele are probably the type who will have private transport arranged wherever they may happen to land.

JGPH1A: Good call. I like the idea and the name is sweet (Goddess of the Dawn!), but I'll believe it when it happens. There are lots of good alternatives in this market. Concorde left a hole, yes, but is now the time to fill it?

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:44 am

Oh, it's JUST TOO EASY...

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:10 am

Wow, nice looking planes!

(listed under "Fall" on the right side) http://nycaviation.com/news.html

http://www.eosairlines.com/images/aircraft_1.gif

That's very exciting news. Can't wait to learn more.
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:38 am

...and they plan on making a profit... how? Will each ticket cost $10,000?? Or is this just some old executives finding a way to get financial backing to stuff their bank accounts then run from the creditors?
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Thu Jun 09, 2005 10:54 am

On the graphic that BigPhilNYC posted, the 757 is registered N545US, which is currently assigned to a Northwest Airlines Boeing 757-251. Does this mean they might be purchasing some of their aircraft from NW?


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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:35 pm

Came across this interesting startup. They are going to run 48 seat 757's from JFK to STN in an attempt to capture the high paying traveller. I see some problems right away so I have my doubts about this carrier.

1. Even though LHR is loathed by most people who fly into it, being the closest big airport to the central business district it is the preffered airport for time sensitive business travellers. That being said, LGW is also a bit closer and has better access than STN. How can an airline attract the big paying customers at STN?

2. The break even factor on a 48 seat 757 has to be pretty high. They will have to do a good job of marketing to make this work, and they lack name recognition right now.

3. I heard they are paying employees like dispatchers more than most of the majors are paying entry level dispatchers. If this is true, won't labor costs be a problem.
 
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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:58 pm

Quoting N770WD (Reply 10):
Eos is not affiliated with MAXjet. Eos still has a ways to go with completing certification (DOT show cause, final manuals, evac, proving runs, etc.) Both Eos and MAXjet are real operations, not paper plans, going after different market segments.

Speaking of which, MAXjet will be operating proving runs next week, including JFK-STN trips. While proving run schedules can be variable depending on scenarios given to the airline, the a/c should be in JFK most of Tuesday (at Terminal One or Hangar 19) and STN (ramp Z) most of Thursday. I can share arrival/departure times if spotters are interested -- contact me directly.

What happened to Skylink Airways then, with the ex Qantas 762ER's ?

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:25 am

SkyLink Airways is MaxJet Airways. They changed their name a couple of months ago.

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RE: New Airline JFK-STN -- Eos

Mon Jun 20, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting Boeing757/767 (Thread starter):
Despite the distance from STN to town, this niche might just work.

Yawn. Here we go again. Journey times by train:

Stansted to Liverpool Street (City area) - 43 mins, direct
Gatwick to Bank (City area) - 45 mins, 1 change
Heathrow to Bank (City area) - 47 mins, 2 changes

Figures from tfl.gov.uk

As the City is on the Stansted side of London, it'll be quicker by car as well.

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