bristolflyer
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Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:43 am

All,

A friend recently missed his connection (DFW-PHX) due to a hold up at customs but his bags didn't, they went on the original flight. Isn't this a security risk? I'm pretty sure this isn't allowed in Europe, I've seen carriers making big efforts to take bags off planes when the pax get delayed/have a change of heart etc.

Any thoughts?

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cle757
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:55 am

This could cause very big fines for airlines, the bag has to be with the passenger on international flights..I've seen flights delayed for along time because baggage had to be removed.
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Venezuela747
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:20 am

But he wasnt on an international fllight though........is it really that big of a deal?

We were flying MIA-CCS about 4-5 years ago and we got stuck on the last flight of the night (since it was christmas everything was packed), we were trying to get on an earlier flight because CCS is pretty dangerous at night. We arrived at MIA at 8AM and tried standing by on every flight to no luck. When we finnaly got to CCS at like 11PM our bags didnt come thorugh and when we went to Lost Baggage desk they said our bags landed with the 11AM flight (the first one we tried to get on) and gave them to us.
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 11:37 am

hehe I once tried to standby on Southwest, but my bags were sent on Southwest LAS-LAX, and oh gee, all flights were sold out, and I had a intl connection in LAX, so I decided to just go on DL from LAS-SNA and I took a shuttle to LAX and picked up my bags at WN, haha they delivered my bags for free
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 12:24 pm

This has happened to me several times on AA when flying ORD-DFW. Since I like exploring ORD I'll often check in several hours in advance. When I arrived at DFW I found that my bag wasn't at my flight's carrousel, but rather near the baggage office. The employees said the bag had taken the earlier flight down, and that it happens sometimes with the ORD flights because there are so many daily flights that sometimes bags make an earlier flight if the passenger checks in very early. Doesn't seem to be a big deal...all the bags go through the same security screening. I didn't mind...meant I didn't have to wait around half an hour for my bag  Wink Now I know to check for that when I fly down there.
 
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:28 pm

This is a grey subject.

In Australia, a passenger who checks in with his bags but fails to board the flight is deemed a security risk. The bags are off loaded.

A passenger who checks his bags in, BUT is offloaded by the airline and put on another flight is NOT deemed a security risk.

Also if a passenger travels on the original flight BUT the bags are offloaded for weight restrictions or whatever, then the bag can fly later unaccompanied by it's owner.
 
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:32 pm

Exactly. They must match bags to pax, in that a bag will be pulled if a pax decides to get off the plane or never boards. But if you are on the flight and take off, and the bag is on a different flight (but you are not aware), then this is allowed. And if you have already flown a leg and then the bag ends up on a different flight, this is also allowed.

Otherwise, how could they get a misconnected bag to you? They can't very well force you to fly back to the previous airport and then fly the bag with you, can they?
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 6:39 pm

miss handling bagage - bagage lost - bagage on wrong aircraft......
such a very common thing to happen...


ABout few years ago I traveled from Singapore to Oslo... and my bagage was end up in Los Angeles.... LOL Big grin
 
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:30 pm

at least they found it!

did my fellow LAX citizens treat your bag well while it vacationed here?
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:40 pm

Generally, no bag leaves an airport with an airplane unless the passenger to who it belongs to is on the same flight. There is one exception to this rule:

the so called RUSH BAGS.
These bags are pieces of luggage, that travel without their respective passenger. There are a number of pieces that qualify as rush bags. On the one hand luggage that "lost" its passenger. But also Jeppessen, when they send out new charts to airlines, send their charts out as rush baggage. In FRA, rush baggage has to be checked by the authorities though (high-altitude pressure chamber, to make sure there is no bomb in the piece of luggage that detonates on low air pressure, etc.). They then put a stamp on the Rush-Tag, which then identifies it as being checked. Now, this is FRA, and everyone who has met a German knows how beaurocratic the Germans are, so I am pretty sure this entire procedure does not take place at all other airports.
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:16 pm

oh yeah...luckily we got our bagage safe...it's not just 1 bagage...lol 2 bagages

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 8):
did my fellow LAX citizens treat your bag well while it vacationed here?

we got our bagage back in within a week , and the airlines gave me some money to buy clothes and eveything hehe....

some free clothes =) sometimes it's good to lost your bagage for a short time Big grin
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:20 pm

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 9):
Generally, no bag leaves an airport with an airplane unless the passenger to who it belongs to is on the same flight. There is one exception to this rule:

So you didn't read the replies beforehand, specifically 5 and 6?

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:28 pm

In 2000, a friend came to Paris from Chicago on United Airlines.
Unfortunately, his luggages have been sent to Philly instead of CDG!!!!!
His luggages have been delivered at my home two days later!

The same year, I missed my connection in FRA on my way to CDG coming from HER. (LH flights).
I missed my connection but my luggages took the plane!!!!
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting Geoffm (Reply 11):
So you didn't read the replies beforehand, specifically 5 and 6?

What did I not read? I simply stated what the official regulations are.
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Thu Jun 09, 2005 9:08 pm

Me and my friend were flying Sabena ATH-BRU-HEL at the time when Sabena still existed and was code-sharing with Finnair on BRU-HEL. We had about 3 hours in BRU and there was a Finnair flight (with Sabena code-share flight number) departing to Helsinki about 1 hour before our flight.

After the flights, we were waiting for our bags at the carousel in HEL, but they never showed up on it -- they were actually waiting us on the floor next to the carousel! The was an employee standing next to them, and we asked how did our bags end up there. He told us they had taken the earlier flight.

The only thing I was worried about was how long the bags had actually been on the carousel after the first flight before somebody realised that we had not been on it ourselves...
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:04 am

PPBM - Positive Passenger Bag Match... ONLY applies to international bound passengers here in the domestic US

*Anything more I could tell you would get into security policies and areas that are on a legal need to know basis*

nothing that the airline did was wrong.
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:08 am

Yeah about this..... If a pax has already flown that day, or if their is a IROP they can go ahead of the pax. Used to do this all the time on domestic flights, however it is a whole different story on International flights. International flights are 100% pax bag match....

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:47 am

Quoting N160LH (Reply 16):
International flights are 100% pax bag match....

Not precisely... otherwise we wouldn't get so many "I came back more than a week ago and you're telling me MY BAGS ARE STILL IN LAX?!" passengers. Big grin

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 3:14 am

Quoting FlyinTLow (Reply 13):
Quoting Geoffm (Reply 11):
So you didn't read the replies beforehand, specifically 5 and 6?

What did I not read? I simply stated what the official regulations are.

Well, earlier replies had already correctly stated that bags may travel after the passenger has travelled, as has happened to me and thousands of others. You said there were only 2 ways - that of travelling WITH the passenger, and these so-called RUSH bags which didn't include the reasons already given.

However, having re-read your thread, perhaps you meant to imply it but simply didn't state it in so many words. So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and withdraw my comment.

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 6:19 am

As some people have already mentioned, bags in the US get screened by the TSA before they get on any plane. Because they have been screened and cleared, we at the airlines get the ok to forward bags. The choice to do so is in the hands of the airline.

I have seen bags drop in our bag room 6 or 7 hours before their flight. It's a hell of a lot easier to forward the bag on the next flight then let it sit on the ground at your pier and risk someone throwing it in the wrong cart sending it up to the wrong plane. If that happens, who knows where the bag will end up.
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:32 am

When I first flew out of the new Terminal 1 in YYZ (T1NEW) I was taking the 9am AC flight to YUL. I get to YUL, my bag comes out, my dads bag comes out and my moms doesn't. Long story short we get the bag at about 9-10pm at night at our hotel. My dad really gave AC a speech about how thats why they are losing customers. It takes 12 hours to get a bag to a city with a 1 hour flight every hour!

I sort of understood this as I believe the weather was thundering/lightning and there was some sort of annoucement that ramp workers cannot work during this type of weather. The bag didn't make it into the container (it was a 762). At least we only had like 70-80 pax on a plane meant for 220!
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:28 am

What I was wondering is say you are taking a flight (for example a flight I recently took FLL-TPA-ISP) and when we go to the airport 1 hour ahead there was a flight 30 mins after we got there, direct to ISP. Now could they send the bag on the direct if their was space? The only problem would be what if you have to get out at your stop over and your bag is already at where you want to be in the end (ISP).
I guess it could be done but the airline is taking the risk of maybe having to send the baggage back to the stopover city.

Any opinions welcome (I know it is a dumb question)

My aunt a couple of years ago went on a school trip to Spain. They flew DTW-Spain (I don't know if their was a connection or not, but on the way home when she got to baggage claim they said her bag wasn't there, and it was most likely back in Spain. But she was then going on a family trip to PVD area and needed her clothes. They ended up giving compensation but the bag didn't appear until 6 days later. They don't know where it went b/c it wasn't just sitting in Spain for 6 Days. We still don't know where it went. It would be cool to find out.

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:38 am

bags always show up before pax in cities where there are hourly flights...........when hourly flights are around an inbound flight may have two bags for BOS but one is for the 10am and the other the 1045am.......instead of trying to run over to the other one...........he'll just place it on the 10am flight...........hapens everyday on a regular basis.
 
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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:08 pm

It's happened to me before, especially if I intentionally take a longer layover (say I'm travelling at a dinner hour and would like a sit down meal at say ATL). I might fly GSO-ATL, getting in at 1700, and there are 1800 and 1900 flights to BOS. I could have taken the 1800 flight, but I booked the 1900 flight, allowing me 2 hours to have a leisurely dinner. I get on the 1900 flight to BOS, get in, and my bags are already in. In circumstances like this, I'll often just stop by the baggage office right after my flight to see if it's come in; it might save me a few minutes at bag claim...

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RE: Baggage On Wrong Aircraft

Fri Jun 10, 2005 12:23 pm

If I remember correctly, bag matching in the U.S. only applies to the first flight. So, if a passenger doesn't make a connection (hold-up at security, involuntary bumping, etc.) the bag can still go on the connecting flight.

I've given up my seat for vouchers many times, and the bags always stay on the original flight.