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Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 6:50 am

Has anyone heard anything regarding an accident with Mesaba earlier today?
 
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 8:16 am

Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:47 pm

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin.

Interesting, now was this flluid at full opearting pressure? Did it happen in flight or on the ground?
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 1:58 pm

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.

Were there injuries IE burns assosciated with the spraying of hot fluid on people?
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 2:12 pm

Here's a story from the Minneapolis StarTribune on the incident.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/670/5451139.html

Doesn't really sound too bad. Only two people taken to the hospital as a precaution. Sixteen people were taken to the Airport's Fire Station to have the fluid washed off of them.
 
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sat Jun 11, 2005 3:24 pm

I wonder if this will cause passengers to sue Mesaba due to health issues, burns etc. Sounds like some serious checks need to be done on the fleet since this is the second time its happened
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:30 am

I wonder if this will cause passengers to sue Mesaba due to health issues, burns etc

By hot Skydrol...?? I think law suits are a given. That stuff is bad enough just dripping on you..!!
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 6:36 am

Quoting 777ER (Reply 5):
Sounds like some serious checks need to be done on the fleet since this is the second time its happened

When did the second one happen then?
 
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:03 am

I don't think the stuff spraying on the pax was hot enough to cause burns. If the fluid (skydrol) was misting, hope no one got the pleasure of inhaling it.

As far as sueing Mesaba for health issues, Skydrol isn't that bad, just wash it off and the burning sensation goes away in a little while.


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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:07 am

Where would the line have to blow to actually cause it to also penetrate into the cabin?? I would have thought that due to the pressure differences the hydraulic lines would not be running through the pressurized area of the cabin.
 
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:45 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 9):
Where would the line have to blow to actually cause it to also penetrate into the cabin?? I would have thought that due to the pressure differences the hydraulic lines would not be running through the pressurized area of the cabin.

On a high wing aircraft like the Avro, I would say that the hydraulic lines for the gear come through the cabin under the wing and head down to the gear. Most likely they are located just behind the interior paneling. If a line or fitting ruptured near the top, the only barrier would be the paneling. Of course the paneling is not fluid tight so some of will find its way out.

Hydraulic lines running inside the pressurized fuselage are normal, cabin pressure has no affect on them at all.

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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:29 am

On a high wing aircraft like the Avro, I would say that the hydraulic lines for the gear come through the cabin under the wing and head down to the gear.

It's been 10 years since I've worked an Avro, but I don't think that is right. If I remember right the Hyd pumps are located under the floor in the center fuselage...the hydraulics for the gear stay under the floor. The flaps where electrically driven...keep in mind it's been 10 years.

Hydraulic lines running inside the pressurized fuselage are normal

Not on the Saab 340... NO Hyd lines run the the pressure vessel.
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:50 am

Burnsie28

Did you had read the link in reply 4?

A similar incident involving an Avro RJ85 operated by Mesaba and made by British Aerospace happened Sept. 1 at the Minneapolis-St. Paul Airport. Hydraulic fluid sprayed into the cabin, and a passenger was cut on the arm during the evacuation.
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:15 pm

My father is flying GSO-MEM-OKC tomorrow during the morning flight bank. His MEM-OKC leg will be on an Avro.

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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:35 pm

"The 56 passengers and four crew members aboard the four-engine Avro RJ85 were evacuated by slides."

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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 12:49 pm

Quoting Premobrimo (Reply 1):
Yes, it was a Mesaba Avro that was spraying hydrolic fluid on passengers in the cabin. It was on a flight from MEM to OKC.

Was the Fluid "Skydrol"[phosphate Ester based] or Mineral based.
Which system was the Routed line for.
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:17 pm

The front doors are over 6 feet off the ground and the rear doors higher than that. That's the reasoning behind the slides... I've jumped from the front doors before during a mx repo... it's not that bad, but we can't have passengers doing that kind of stuff.

Flaps are not electrically driven... but HYDRAULIC. The resevoirs are underneath about mid cabin in the hydraulic bay. I'm not sure of the exact placement of the lines, but I would imagine they come near the cabin somewhere. The flaps, rudder, lift spoilers, airbrake, gear, roll spoilers and some other things are hydraulically driven.



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RE: Mesaba Incident

Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:31 am

It wasn't all that bad. Actually everyone had to go to the firehouse. We had the RedCross come out with food and drinks for everyone. The Fire Department did a great job in working us. A lot of the passengers told me that they were pleased the way Northwest handled the situation. I had the day off, but I was called in to help with the passengers. Even though I work for NW we still handle all XJ flights and emergencies.
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:11 am

What was the ship number involved?
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RE: Mesaba Incident

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:04 pm

Quoting Northwestair (Reply 17):
It wasn't all that bad.

Not all that bad... If you had Skydrol burning all over you, would you just pick up the magazine and read Doug Steenland's message of the month? I have heard from many mechanics alike that Skydrol is the most hated fluid in aviation. It burns, stings, and if you aren't careful, CAN leave scars
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