iwok
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747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:40 am

747-ADV possible approval in June

I just read on yahoo finance a new article quoting Alan Mulally as saying that the first 747-A deliveries could commence in 2008, and that the launch could be approved during the June Board meeting.

Lets hope this happens soon!

He said it is gated by the 787 engine development, and that there would be some work done on the wing.

No big orders from Boeing for next week however.

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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:54 am

 bigthumbsup  Check the link, I get "We're sorry...this story is not available. "
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:25 am

 
Boogyjay
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:36 am

2008 seems a very good timing for Boeing. It's better than the first announced 2010 EIS.

If this finally holds true, they will probably succeed to sell enough B744 to maintain the line opened.

That sounds very good for the B747A Big grin
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:56 am

Any idea who will be the launch customer, and does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 6:59 am

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
Any idea who will be the launch customer,

I'd like to know who the launch customer(s) will be. They all seem to be very interested but don't want to take the risk of being the launch customer.

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?

I doubt it would happen.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:03 am

Maybe they want to take the risk but can't since Boeing can't sell it yet?
 
iwok
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:26 pm

Quoting Vivek0072 (Reply 4):
Any idea who will be the launch customer, and does any one forsee any customer jumping the line by cancelling the A380 and ordering the 74A ?

I can't imagine anyone cancelling their 380 orders, but it soes seem plausible that QF and SQ would go for a couple. Maybe even United once they get things squared away. I wonder if the Boeing board meeting will take place during the Air Show. That would really be sweet if they could announce it next week.  Smile

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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:43 pm

Quoting Iwok (Reply 7):
I can't imagine anyone cancelling their 380 orders, but it soes seem plausible that QF and SQ would go for a couple. Maybe even United once they get things squared away. I wonder if the Boeing board meeting will take place during the Air Show. That would really be sweet if they could announce it next week. Smile

It's possible. If anyone would do it, SQ might.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:55 pm

Don't forget BA publically announced they are interested in it. (there's a thread around here somewhere about it...).

Cargolux is also highly interested in the freigher version, which would probably be launched first.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:05 pm

I have a feeling that a lot of airlines flying 744s would be interested in the plane, but not all in the short term. It's going to continue to be an important plane for a lot of routes as well as a good freighter.

The article in another thread where Qf said there were 468,000 empty seats on the LAX to Australia routes up to April is a pretty good indication that the 380 is not always the best plane on any given day.

My guess is that someone like JAL will be the first launch customer.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:44 pm

I just had a thought about Boeing's strategy if this is a bluff. In the I Love Lucy episode 'The Diner', when the Ricardos and the Mertzes fell out and set up their own halves of a diner, that drunk guy came in and was offered a hamburger by the Mertzes. The Ricardos responded by reducing the price on theirs and the result was a price war, which led the Mertzes to offer their hamburgers at 1 cent. Lucy then promptly removed a dollar from the till, gave it the drunk and the drunk ordered a hundred hamburgers much to the Ricardos amusement.

If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 2:45 pm

The 747-adv put into the fleet of other 747 operaters makes economic sense than bringing in a 380, but this will lay on the commonalty of this acft with the 747-400 or will be a total different animal like the difference between the -100 and -400
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:04 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 11):
If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.

While that is a side benefit, Boeing and Airbus are not offering equivalent products with equivalent upfront costs or operational costs. The A388 and 747Adv are very different aircraft and would appeal to different airlines depending on their circumstances. The 747Adv is a less risky project for Boeing, and it is a less risky product for airlines because its operational costs are much lower and it can be applied to a wider variety of routes.
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 7:53 pm

BA made it public, I heard that CX and JL would look into it. And there was a post here a few days ago saying NZ was interested in a few for its 'larger markets' (probably Japan, LAX,LHR)
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:06 pm

Quoting Glom (Reply 11):
If the 747ADV if a bluff, the idea could be to make customers think twice about ordering the A380 for a bit, resulting in Airbus making cut price offers, which hampers their attempt to get a good ROI on the aircraft.

The bluff is working, as neither BA or CX have ordered the A38 yet.

Isn't this to a certain extent what A has been doing with the A35? Make the preliminary specs & target pricing tempting / interesting enough for airlines to defer placing 787 orders.
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:20 pm

Flight Magazine this week quotes Baseler as saying that 747ADV launch will now not be until the end of the year, citing decision timing by airlines as the primary reason.....
 
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RE: 747-A A Go In June?

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:01 pm

Moving possible launch date to 2008 rather than 2010 I think will greatly influence if the 747 Adv is launched or not. There has been concern that existing orders might not keep the line open long enough but an earlier date will lessen the gap

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