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G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:27 am

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=646523

Out of control. Yet another sign that the bureaucrats will exploit any and all sources of revenue to confiscate and turn over to the poor.

As if we didn't have enough problems in this business. And weren't taxed enough!!
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:29 am

Ahh, let's find the industry that is doing poorest, tax it, and then throw the money down a bottomless pit. Sounds like a plan to me!  Yeah sure

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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:49 am

Would the money actually get to the poor, or will it just go to propping up regional powerbrokers in poor areas? That's where a great deal of money goes now.

That's why I prefer to give to charity over having things taxed. I have more control over where the money goes if I personally give it to charity.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:02 am

Quoting Slider (Thread starter):
Out of control. Yet another sign that the bureaucrats will exploit any and all sources of revenue to confiscate and turn over to the poor.

Pothetic. When the world's airlines are in a cash crunch, let's make it harder for them. Why do the French and Germans (who came up with this brilliant plan) feel that taxing, taxing, taxing is the answer? It's incredible -- can't they tax something else, or not tax anything at all?

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 2):
Would the money actually get to the poor, or will it just go to propping up regional powerbrokers in poor areas?

Well, considering the track record with international relief projects to "help the poor," I'm not too optimistic that those who need and deserve this money would actually get it. It will probably end up in the hands of murderous dictators who kill their own people, steal the food aid and yell poverty to Europe and America and beg for debt cancellation. Very sad -- you really have to feel bad for the innocent, poor, starving civillians caught in the middle of this international parlor trick to try and get good P.R. for "helping the poor" but who never actually get anything out of it.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:05 am

It's corruption... that is one of the biggest reasons we still have dire poverty in places like Africa. CORRUPTION. More tax simply means money from our pockets to pockets of useless dictators who will then use that money to buy a lovely mansion in Paris and surrounding area! Nonsense this G8. Wasting more of our tax dollars to meet for useless meetings around the world and for photo op. No one with a reasonable mind can take this proposal seriously.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:15 am

Ah yes, let's take the most highly taxed industry and tack on some more tax because they all make billions of dollars in profits each year.. NOT! This idea is ridiculous. Talk about lazy politicians. Why not spread out the wealth? Kinda like how George give the rich tax cuts in the US. Well, as a rather biased opinion, I must say it looks like GWB is setting examples for the world.. for better, for worse!

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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:16 am

How bout you f#$&ers lower your obscene trade barriers first (especially the agricultural ones and ESPECIALLY Japan, the EU and US), AND THEN if that doesn't work try something else??? Whoever came up with this idea and/or supports it deserves a donkey punch.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:35 am

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 4):
It's corruption... that is one of the biggest reasons we still have dire poverty in places like Africa. CORRUPTION. More tax simply means money from our pockets to pockets of useless dictators who will then use that money to buy a lovely mansion in Paris and surrounding area!

Exactly right. Corruption -- and the West (particularly Europe's) continuing desire to tolerate and appease it -- is responsible, IMO, for the vast majority of all the poverty, starvation and disease occuring in Africa today. I think that the US' idea of the Millenium Project, which assigns US aid dollars based on the recipient countries' ability to reform their political process and introduce democracy, is a good idea, and should be expanded, rather than just taking money from hardworking people in rich countries and giving it to dictators in poor countries.

Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 4):
Wasting more of our tax dollars to meet for useless meetings around the world and for photo op.

Sad to say, but I completely agree that it is mostly for the photo op -- don't get me wrong, I don't doubt the G8 leaders when they say they want to help poor people and end starvation, hunger, disease, etc., I am sure they really do want to help. The problem, however, is that doing these little "summits" every couple of years, taking the picture of all of them smiling, joking, swapping mistress stories, it doesn't do squat for the poor people. Reducing trade barriers, supporting democratic movements, ending the coddling of murderous dictators, I think that would go a lot farther.

Quoting DCrawley (Reply 5):
Ah yes, let's take the most highly taxed industry and tack on some more tax because they all make billions of dollars in profits each year.

Exactly. As if automatically going for taxation wasn't bad enough, why on Earth would they pick airlines to tax? Can't they tax some other industry if they absolutely feel the must tax something? I guess this goes back to the same old scenario: governments still feel that airlines are their little public utility and piggy bank. They can control them, take from them what they want, and just tell all the airlines, all the airline employees, all the airline shareholders, and all the airline customers to go to h*ll.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 12:14 pm

Where is George Carlin when we need him!!

Being poor sucks. We should be helping them. But let's not create more of them out of Airline and Avation employees.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 1:03 pm

Highlights:

The move, which could add a pound on to air fares, was greeted with delight by environmental groups who said it was a first step towards making people pay the true cost of plane travel.

Hans Eichel, the German Finance Minister, said: "The air ticket tax ... is now on the working programme of the G8. No one in the G8 has said anything against it.

A spokesman for easyJet said the proposal was "confused". "Why only target airline passengers - why not bus passengers?" he asked. "If you want to go after a particular industry why not go after the oil industry, where companies such as BP and Shell make record profits."

Ryanair said it would "strongly oppose" anything that would increase charges for consumers

"Aviation is a great contributor to global warming and it is African countries which will be the greatest sufferers from it," he said. "It seems there is a logic about a tax on aviation, which is a great polluter, to help those will be the top victims. It could be a Live Aid of the air."

The G8 also warned that "sustained high energy prices are of significant concern since they hamper global economic growth".


Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
Reducing trade barriers, supporting democratic movements, ending the coddling of murderous dictators, I think that would go a lot farther.

Well that and canceling debts and aiding in the (re)building of industries in Africa, then we'll get that great outsourcing argument.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:28 pm

Here's a thought, G8 assholes - how about taxing billionaires ? A flat 90% tax on all wealth over a billion dollars (after all, NOBODY needs more than a billion, right ?) - that right there would cancel all 3rd World debt.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:09 pm

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 10):
Here's a thought, G8 assholes - how about taxing billionaires ? A flat 90% tax on all wealth over a billion dollars (after all, NOBODY needs more than a billion, right ?) - that right there would cancel all 3rd World debt.

A tax for helping the World poor, whether they are the average citizen or a millionaire is just wrong. This is using taxes for the wrong reasons, if anything, it should be be an optional tax, not a mandatory tax.

Why pick on the rich, they worked just as hard to amass their wealth.

This crap of helping the world poor is not going to work with the corrupt government and conflicts that are still going on in Africa.

Aid is an optional thing, since when did it turn to mandatory item? If I give money to charity, it is because I want to help, & not that I have to.

What the G8 is being told, is that it is their duty, which is a load of crap.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 4:13 pm

Not the Independent again! Why do people read that rag? It's clear they have a grudge to bear against us.

[Edited 2005-06-13 09:16:43]
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:02 pm

Of course Eichel is behind this. Well, I'll just say this: After Red/Green loses the upcoming elections, Eichel will get a pension of some freaking €11,000 per month, and don't you think that would donate a single penny. And don't forget he's an expert when it comes to taxiing goods that are essential for everyday work and traffic (eco-tax :X ).
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:26 pm

Quoting Slider (Thread starter):

Out of control. Yet another sign that the bureaucrats will exploit any and all sources of revenue to confiscate and turn over to the poor.

As if we didn't have enough problems in this business. And weren't taxed enough!!



Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):
Pothetic. When the world's airlines are in a cash crunch, let's make it harder for them. Why do the French and Germans (who came up with this brilliant plan) feel that taxing, taxing, taxing is the answer? It's incredible -- can't they tax something else, or not tax anything at all?

But they are happy to tax airlines. After all, half of the world wide capacity is in the United States.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:44 pm

Why stop with an airline tax:

I think that there should be a tax on campaign contributions made to political candidates.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:49 pm

Quoting Pope (Reply 15):
I think that there should be a tax on campaign contributions made to political candidates.

Within a month, the taxation from that would be enough to write of the third world debt, pay for a new moon program and a new SST.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:53 pm

Quoting AirFrnt (Reply 14):
But they are happy to tax airlines. After all, half of the world wide capacity is in the United States.

So, do you suppose that the US would actually go along with this? If it does I wonder what the quid-pro-quo is. Or is good old George getting soft in his old age?  scratchchin 
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:59 pm

It's a shame the G8 nations are being a willing pawn in this. It's also one reason the debt to the Third World should NOT be forgiven IMHO--it forces some incentive for economic reform. The problem isn't that Africa and the Third World hasn't been given a big enough handout, it's that they don't have enough capitalism and market economies with basic fundamental free societies. But that's a rant for another day....

I have a big enough problem with my own confiscatory taxes being redistributed to some shmuck here in the States. To think that some international body might now do that involuntarily is outrageous!!
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:12 pm

There is enough stashed away by African despots in Swiss and offshore bank accounts for Africa for another 100 years.

Maybe international banking laws need to be changed first so that African and other Third World "leaders" rapacity can be exposed, as well as the greed of the First World bankers, "consultants," and politicians who've benefited as well from the plight of desperate Africans and the goodwill of those in First World countries who've donated countless funds through foreign aid packages.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:19 pm

Hey, you can´t touch the wealth of the dictators. After all, a person who is rich worked hard in amassing thev wealth, they must have worked very hard on it as well. Anyway, even corruption is business, if you follow the capitalist logic. It obeys the market forces. The dictator has something to offer and he takes the market price for it.
So you capitalist thinker should support corruption!

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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Mon Jun 13, 2005 11:49 pm

Quoting MD11Engineer (Reply 20):
So you capitalist thinker should support corruption!

Free and fair trade is what is needed for Africa. Call that what you will.
 
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:16 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 21):
Free and fair trade is what is needed for Africa. Call that what you will.

You have a point....but you should also consider how the AID is managed once provided. The G8 countries tend to insist on hiring expats to micro manage every cent...hence most of the money goes into these so called NGO's full of Expats doing absolutely nothing. Plus the corruption involved in the recepient countries.... Even if the AID is forgiven....someone at the World Bank will convince these countries to borrow again.... (Argentina). or hold them hostage until they borrow and make sure the money they borrow goes to the big corporate entities on the planet in the form of lousy infrastructure projects etc.
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RE: G8 Wants To Tax Airlines For Global Poor

Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:35 am

Forcefully making charity contributions is wrong. Don't get me wrong, I give a lot of money to charity already, but they are charities that I have choosen. It should be up to me to choose where my money goes.

I want to wipe out poverty as much as the next person, but I think the governments need to look at themselves before passing the problem on to a sector of the community ie airtravellers.

What's next, this weeks tax will be on people who buy jeans. Next week, if anyone buys a cd. The list could go on and on. Maybe if they gave up some of their generous allowences for a month or two, and put that money to better use. Or is it a case of , do what I say, not what I do?