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Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:53 am

I did try searching for this tread to no luck. Perhaps its there but I didn't find it. Anyway, will the A380 come to JFK. My opinion is not anytime soon but I know some of you know better then I. I see them working on some of the taxi ways like the bridge that goes over JFK expressway. So any thoughts, comments. thanks in advance.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:00 am

AF and VS have already stated that one of the first few destinations for their A380s will be to JFK. VS operates out of T4 which is already equiped to handle two of them and AF operates out of T1. I don't know if that terminal can operate the A380.

I don't know about other operators but I would think that LH might operate the A380 to JFK as well.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:04 am

Do you mean the current prototype? Probably not. Scheduled airlines in the next couple of years? Absolutely. Air France has already mentioned they would be bringing the 380 to JFK as well as Virgin Atlantic. I would assume all major world cities would see the 380 like New York, Los Angeles, Paris, London, and Tokyo to name a few.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:04 am

But can JFK handle the size of the plane. Arent' the taxiways to small for the wingspan of the plane.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:06 am

LON JFK tends to be a high frequency market, so I'm surprised by VS's move.

Perhaps its one way to compete against BA's excellent london schedule. If anything I can See BA Increasing frequency, and reducing aircraft size to 772.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:09 am

Air France

Emirates

Lufthansa

Singapore Airlines

Virgin Atlantic


All will be frequent to JFK!



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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:13 am

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 2):
I would assume all major world cities would see the 380 like New York, Los Angeles, Paris, London, and Tokyo to name a few.

Lufthansa, Virgin Atlantic, and Singapore Airlines all stressed that the A380 will be essential to their San Francisco service.


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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:21 am

JFK is a major HUB in the US, would be very surprised if the A380 did not go to JFK.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 1:29 am

Nah. It'll probably go to LGA.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:05 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 8):
Nah. It'll probably go to LGA.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:10 am

The PA is rebuilding the taxiway bridges over the Van Wyck and JFK Expressways. Terminal One Group is rebuilding gates at T1. T4 is already ready to handle the A380.

Work is also being done on 13L-31R.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:15 am

Of course it will be going to JFK. That is a pretty big intl. airport.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:43 am

It doesn't have too. PA, local and state gov't might not want or have the money to do what is needed to have the plane come to JFK. It will come evantually but not right away. Theres too much work to be done.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 2:55 am

Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 7):
JFK is a major HUB in the US

For whom? With the exception of B6 and their A380 service to SYD starting in 2009, JFK is basically an O&D-centered airport, with limited exceptions (UA LAX/SFO-JFK-LHR or token OH services to places like ORD).
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:01 am

Quoting LUV4JFK (Reply 2):
I would assume all major world cities would see the 380 like New York, Los Angeles, Paris, London, and Tokyo to name a few.

I think MIA is on the list as well

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:23 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 12):

The PA has already allotted money for the upgrades to handle the A380 at JFK....the taxi bridges over the Van Wyck are the first thing as they have to be strengthened to handle the extra weight of the A-380...the other upgrades will take place later...widening taxiways etc...
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:29 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 12):
It doesn't have too. PA, local and state gov't might not want or have the money to do what is needed to have the plane come to JFK. It will come evantually but not right away. Theres too much work to be done.

Is that why Termanil 4 was built with the A380 in consideration?  sarcastic 

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
For whom? With the exception of B6 and their A380 service to SYD starting in 2009, JFK is basically an O&D-centered airport, with limited exceptions (UA LAX/SFO-JFK-LHR or token OH services to places like ORD).

Try American Airlines, and Delta Airlnes!


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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 3:40 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
JFK is basically an O&D-centered airport, with limited exceptions (UA LAX/SFO-JFK-LHR

Nobody would want to fly on UA on that route since UA serves LHR directly from both LAX and SFO. JFK is strictly O&D for UA but it is an international gateway for AA and DL.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:01 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 16):
Try American Airlines, and Delta Airlnes!

Try again, Lhr001, neither of those airlines consider JFK a hub.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:08 am

I said that don't have too not they don't want too.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:37 am

Quoting Garnetpalmetto (Reply 18):
Try again, Lhr001, neither of those airlines consider JFK a hub

I did not say hub! Now did I?? Putting words into peoples mouth are we?  yes 

Quoting AADC10 (Reply 17):
Nobody would want to fly on UA on that route since UA serves LHR directly from both LAX and SFO. JFK is strictly O&D for UA but it is an international gateway for AA and DL

A bit of history, the morning departure that United Airlines used to offer JFK-LHR orginated in SFO.


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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:44 am

Being able and ready to accept the A380 is a strong sign of economic confidence for a city.

Of course it's going to JFK.  yes 

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:48 am

As it is already said above Air France, Lufthansa and Virgin as the three European A380 customers will use the A380 to JFK. Singapure and Emirates will fly to JFK as well. JFK is an essential gateway for these airlines into the American market.

Any chance that EWR will also see the A380 ? Lufthansa uses the 747-400 already from FRA to EWR.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:54 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 20):
I did not say hub! Now did I?? Putting words into peoples mouth are we?

No, Liar001, we aren't. Let's go back in posting history. In Reply 7, MidnightMike said JFK was a major hub. In Reply 13, Cubsrule asked, "For whom?" Then, in Reply 16 you said "Try American Airlines, and Delta Airlines!"

Now, I realize you have difficulty keeping up with which username you're using at any given point in time, but I would hope you'd be able to follow a conversation just a little bit better than that.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:25 am

Skipping around all the bullcrap.....I expect to see Virgin, Air France, Singapore, Qantas, and perhaps Korean operating the 380 into JFK. Last I read, LH wasn't sure about the 380 into JFK yet.

Perhaps Emirates, but who knows.....
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:40 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 25):
Qantas

Highly Unlikely!


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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:43 am

Quoting Columba (Reply 22):
Any chance that EWR will also see the A380 ?

I don't believe EWR is equipped to handle it, and I don't believe that the PAof NY/NJ is going to upgrade 2 airports to handle it...
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:58 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):
For whom? With the exception of B6 and their A380 service to SYD starting in 2009, JFK is basically an O&D-centered airport, with limited exceptions (UA LAX/SFO-JFK-LHR or token OH services to places like ORD).

Wow B6 is getting the A380! Awesome...lol I think I read it wrong but that is what I am getting out of that.

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 20):
A bit of history, the morning departure that United Airlines used to offer JFK-LHR orginated in SFO.

Exactly, and I flew JFK-LHR 2 years back and it is flight 904-LAX-JFK-LHR, and I remember that alot of the people on the plane are continuing from LAX. I guess it was cheaper that day but there was a big group from LAX.



Of Course JFK is getting the A380. It would get it before other cities. And the airport will make it it time and they have enough money. There isn't so much work to be done. And with the A380 delay they don't have to work as hard to get it done.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:59 am

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 24):
Hub or no hub, both airlines operate banks of flights to and from JFK. JFK, is not as some would suggest nothing more than an O/D airport.

By your definition, ATL would not be a hub for DL. After all, it is no longer banked. Limited service from both AA and DL allows limited connections (as I conceded in my original post), but I would still argue that in the international realm (save the B6 flights to the D.R. and NAS), JFK is basically an O&D airport, much more so than any other airport in this country and perhaps in the world.

To DL, JFK is an "International Gateway," just like LAX (see http://www.delta.com/home/press_url/dal_stats_facts/index.jsp)
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:38 pm

Quoting Kahala777 (Reply 6):
Lufthansa, Virgin Atlantic, and Singapore Airlines all stressed that the A380 will be essential to their San Francisco service.

San Francisco (SFO) will likely be among the first airports in the USA to at least get two A380 flights per day--Singapore Airlines' SQ 001/002 flights between SIN and SFO via HKG and Lufthansa's LH 454/455 flights between FRA and SFO. SQ 001/002 will likely be first, probably early to mid-Spring 2007 (based on current delivery schedules from Airbus).
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:57 pm

Highly Unlikely!

Seeing that QF will operate the A380 from SYD-LAX, it is entirely possible that JFK will see it.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 4):
Perhaps its one way to compete against BA's excellent london schedule. If anything I can See BA Increasing frequency, and reducing aircraft size to 772.

I see them increasing 744s Big grin

Quoting JrMafia90 (Reply 11):
Of course it will be going to JFK. That is a pretty big intl. airport.

Ironically, it was #3 in the NY area in terms of pax numbers last year.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:40 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 30):

Highly Unlikely!

Seeing that QF will operate the A380 from SYD-LAX, it is entirely possible that JFK will see it

There has to be a chance that QF will operate the A380 to JFK, at least for a short while. The LAX-JFK-LAX tag is operated by an aircraft that would otherwise sit at LAX, as soon as A380 services start to to LAX it will be possible to operate the tag with A380. QF is fairly early in A380 delivery slots and may use the A380 on the tag just to be the first or second to operate it to JFK.

Of course if the A380 can in fact operate DFW-SYD/MEL economically then I expect the LAX-JFK tag to disapeare fairly quickly, but you probabley wont see DFW operation of the A380 in its first year of service with QF.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Thu Jun 16, 2005 11:48 pm

Ironically, it was #3 in the NY area in terms of pax numbers last year.

The only irony is that your data is wrong.

Gemuser, wouldn't DFW be better served with 777s if QF ever orders them?
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:45 am

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 31):
Ironically, it was #3 in the NY area in terms of pax numbers last year.

try #1...ironically...
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:32 am

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 33):
Ironically, it was #3 in the NY area in terms of pax numbers last year.

The only irony is that your data is wrong

I saw Newark and La Guardia as ahead in a respected paper last year. Guess it was more stellar reporting Big grin
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:09 pm

[quote=Starlionblue,reply=35]
I saw Newark and La Guardia as ahead in a respected paper last year. Guess it was more stellar reporting
Go to the Port Authority of NY&NJ's own web site and you'll see that JFK handled more total passengers and freight, EWR was second and LGA is third...thats why they're spending the extra money at JFK to upgrade to handle the A-380.
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:50 pm

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 36):
.thats why they're spending the extra money at JFK to upgrade to handle the A-380.

That has nothing to do with total pax numbers. It's just that airlines serving JFK have announced their desire to do so with the 380. If they had all been flying to EWR that airport would have been upgraded. If they had asked for LGA they would have been told to fit the 380 with floats.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:31 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 33):

Gemuser, wouldn't DFW be better served with 777s if QF ever orders them?

Well of course they havent ordered 777 yet and it is by no means certian that they will.

ASSUMING the A380 can operate DFW-SYD/MEL economically, then I think it will be the plane of choice, even if QF orders 777, because the whole reason for QF to operate to DFW is to access AAs main hub. I would presume it would be the hub of choice to connect to all North American cities east of the Rockies, with LAX being for O&D traffic and connections to cities west of the Rockies. In that case I think a 777, with the range, will be too small given that QF operate up 6 B744 currently into LAX and the market is growing at around 8% to 16%pa depending on who you belive.

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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 5:44 pm

Just a true story from JFK:
A totally over-crowded gate, a horrible situation with toilets, people packed, bad air, looong lines waiting, some 2+ hours delay due to technical maintenance, children crying, totally overwhelmed service personel, completely inadequate situation over hours - short: A horror scene.

This was way back some 30+years when LH started JFK-FRA service with the Jumbo of that era, the brand new 747-100.

So, virtually nobody remembers this today?
OK.

So why somebody should remember any probs with the 380 in JFK - lets say in 2040?

It's quite simple: When airlines want to fly to JFK and get the OK to do so, they will use the A380 sooner or later. And when the infrastructure (wingspan, taxiways, sizing of facilities) is inadequate, it will be changed rather sooner than later. Really nothing to worry about.
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:47 pm

Quoting Starlionblue (Reply 37):
That has nothing to do with total pax numbers.

unfortunately it has everything to do with it...a large number of the major intl carriers serving the airport are buying the A-380 and plan on sending it to JFK...this service pushes the numbers...thats the reason...ifJFK was some little hole in the wall the Port would not invest any extra cash to upgrade facilities, simply because 1 or 2 carriers wanted to fly the a/c...one logically follows the other...
 
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RE: Will The A380 Go To JFK?

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:53 pm

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 4):
LON JFK tends to be a high frequency market, so I'm surprised by VS's move.

not really a surprise - it'll be a VS marketing ploy as much as anything - offering something bigger and "better" than BA can on the route. VS will put a few more of the little touches on board, like they do with bars, masseurs and the like, and sell it as a completely new flying experience that BA can't offer.

Well that'l lbe the marketing spin on it anyway.

Other A380 airports in North America will certainly be LAX and SFO, Montreal (AF have announced that as one of their first cities), VS have expressed interest in high density flights on leisure markets so it would be no surprise to see Orlando or Miami on the list too.
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