DCAflyboy
Topic Author
Posts: 142
Joined: Sun Apr 17, 2005 1:50 am

Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 5:35 am

Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?
 
IADBGO
Posts: 202
Joined: Fri Dec 03, 2004 8:19 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:04 am

I doubt that they would be moving widebodies to domestic since international flights is where they are actually making money. It doesn't make sense for them to move money making planes from the international routes.

IADBGO
 
DeltaRules
Posts: 3657
Joined: Sat Sep 01, 2001 11:57 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:07 am

Wasn't LAX the only western city that got US widebodies?

DeltaRules
A310/319/320/321/333, ARJ, BN2, B722/73S/733/734/735/73G/738/739/744/757/753/767/763/764/777, CR1/2/7/9, DH6, 328, EM2/ERJ/E70/E75/E90, F28/100, J31, L10/12/15, DC9/D93/D94/D95/M80/M88/M90/D10, SF3, SST
 
A330323X
Posts: 2666
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:06 pm

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:38 am

Quoting DCAflyboy (Thread starter):
Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?

It seems likely that US will use the 767s to Hawaii and between the hubs after the A330-200s replace the 767s across the pond.

Quoting IADBGO (Reply 1):
I doubt that they would be moving widebodies to domestic since international flights is where they are actually making money. It doesn't make sense for them to move money making planes from the international routes.

They do currently use a number of 762s to Florida and the Caribbean to increase utilization. During the summer, they serve BDA, CUN. During the winter, they typically serve MCO, CUN, SJU, NAS, STT.

Quoting DeltaRules (Reply 2):
Wasn't LAX the only western city that got US widebodies?

LAS has had them too, and I think SFO might have had them very early on. In fact, LAS was rumored to be getting one from CLT this summer, but it would've stretched the fleet too tight.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
 
ScottB
Posts: 5414
Joined: Fri Jul 28, 2000 1:25 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:52 am

Quoting A330323X (Reply 3):
It seems likely that US will use the 767s to Hawaii and between the hubs after the A330-200s replace the 767s across the pond.

Actually, it seems more likely that the 767's will be retired as the A330-200's enter service. The US fleet of 767-200ER's currently has an average age of 16 years and I'd be surprised if the A330-200's aren't pushed back or entirely converted to A350 orders. By the same token, the 757 fleets at both US Airways and America West are getting up there in age.
 
modesto2
Posts: 2669
Joined: Sun Jul 16, 2000 3:44 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:19 am

SFO used to get US 762's...back in the early-mid 1990's, I flew PHL-SFO aboard a US 762.
 
drerx7
Posts: 4204
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:27 am

Is your info accurate A330323X? I don't remember US using the 767 to NAS, STT, or LAS. I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
Kahala777
Posts: 1513
Joined: Sat Apr 16, 2005 7:28 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:34 am

MIA-PHL, use to operate with the A330!


Aloha,

Kahala777
 
A330323X
Posts: 2666
Joined: Thu Oct 09, 2003 4:06 pm

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting ScottB (Reply 4):
By the same token, the 757 fleets at both US Airways and America West are getting up there in age.

The 757-2B7s are only 11 years old. The -225s, I agree, should be going soon, but they make up less than 1/3 of US's fleet.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
Is your info accurate A330323X?

No, I just make shit up, like everyone else on here.  Yeah sure

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I don't remember US using the 767 to NAS, STT, or LAS.

Well, I don't know what to tell you. Here is a widebody schedule from this March showing 767 flights to STT. The NAS flights usually run in Dec-Jan, but I don't have an older timetable on this computer. LAS has been at least 4-5 years since it ran.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.

Of course, cost is only half of the equation. The 762s would have better revenue performance to Hawaii (or the Caribbean, for that matter) than the 752s due to a larger premium cabin and greatly increased cargo lift. Also, weighing heavily in the 762's favor from the cost angle, 4 of the birds (40% of the fleet) are owned outright, free-and-clear by US.
I'm the expert on here on two things, neither of which I care about much anymore.
 
padcrasher
Posts: 1815
Joined: Tue Aug 10, 2004 6:17 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 11:42 am

The 767-200 is just not the best option on Transcons today. It's operating costs are 20% higher than a 757. You might be OK with an early AM or late evening departures to attact some cargo revenue, but cargo revenue is way over blown.

I was looking at these AA 767s that operate in these markets and they hold just 156 passengers. Compare that with a Song 757 with 199 seats and you get a CASM that's likely only 60% of what AA must deal with.

One could argue that the Jetblue Airbus is more the right size than the 757.
 
drerx7
Posts: 4204
Joined: Fri Jun 30, 2000 12:19 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:04 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
Well, I don't know what to tell you. Here is a widebody schedule from this March showing 767 flights to STT. The NAS flights usually run in Dec-Jan, but I don't have an older timetable on this computer. LAS has been at least 4-5 years since it ran.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 6):
I also doubt they will use the 767s to Hawaii--HP plans on using 757s whether they merge or not. Besides--what is the capacity on those 767s? The 757 has a better seat/mile cost for the ops--remember those are 762s.

Of course, cost is only half of the equation. The 762s would have better revenue performance to Hawaii (or the Caribbean, for that matter) than the 752s due to a larger premium cabin and greatly increased cargo lift. Also, weighing heavily in the 762's favor from the cost angle, 4 of the birds (40% of the fleet) are owned outright, free-and-clear by US.

I was asking because I didn't know--thanks for clarifying that about the 762 in STT. As far as 762s to Hawaii--remember there is not a big demand for a premium cabin to Hawaii. The only benefit of a 762 to Hawaii would be the added cargo.
Third Coast born, means I'm Texas raised
 
iwok
Posts: 979
Joined: Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:35 pm

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:28 pm

Quoting DCAflyboy (Thread starter):
Does anyone think US Airways will ever bring back wide-bodies to the West Coast? Or maybe just to PHX or LAS after the HP merger?

I'm flying SFO-HNL in two weeks on the triple 7. Looks like its going to be a great flight with the great IFE. Gotta love the T7.

iwok
 
usairways85
Posts: 3537
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2001 11:59 am

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:43 pm

762's have been flying to CUN, STT, and NAS in the winters for a while now. The A333 only flew PHL-MIA for a short time when the 333 first entered service for pilots/fa's to get accustumed to the new aircraft.
 
lizzard71
Posts: 15
Joined: Wed Mar 30, 2005 1:13 pm

RE: Transcon Wide-bodies For US, Ever Again?

Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:17 pm

Quoting A330323X (Reply 8):
No, I just make shit up, like everyone else on here.

Now that's funny  laughing 
Thanks for making my day.

lizzard71.