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Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:20 am

Airbus
Qatar Airways: 60 A350-800/900

Rumoured:
Kingfisher Airways: 5 A380, 15-20 A330/340/350, X A320

Boeing
Ryanair: 5 737-800
Sky Europe: 16+16 737-700
Qatar Airways: 20 777-300ER

ATR
Finncomm Airlines: 8+8 ATR 42-500
Air Caledonie: 2 ATR 42-500, 1 ATR 72-500

Embraer

Rumoured:
Paramount Airways: X Embraer 170 family
Flown: A319/320/321,A332/3,A380,AT4,AT7,B732/3/4/5/7/8,B742/4,B762/763,B772,CR2,CR7,ER4,E70,E75,F50/70,M11,L15,S20
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:57 am

I'd prefer to wait and see the breakdowns of these commitments. Most will be MoU/LOI and QR in particular hasn't spelled out the breakdown of orders/options(which could be 30+30 for the 350).
I'd put on rumours that EK will announce their 777 order but wait until Dubai Airshow in November to announce their 350 order.
I'd be a bit surprised if ILFC/GECAS didn't announce some fresh commitments at Le BourgetCould be for 32X/350 and/or 737NG/777/787).
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:33 pm

Small summary after not full 2 days
ATR - TY 3x AT5/7, FC 8x AT5
Embraer - Paramount 5x E70
Boeing - FR 5x 738, QR 20x 777, GECAS 20 73NG, 9W 10x 772LR
Airbus - QR 60x 350, 9W 10x 332, ALAFCO 12x 358
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:37 pm

Quoting Dalecary (Reply 1):
Rumoured:
Kingfisher Airways: 5 A380, 15-20 A330/340/350, X A320

I could have sworn it was a fact -

http://www.financialexpress.com/latest_full_story.php?content_id=93786
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:41 pm

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 3):
I could have sworn it was a fact -

Everyone except IT and Airbus seem to believe it's a done deal  sarcastic ! I wish IT and Airbus would move and make the announcement (or denial  Smile)
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:41 pm

Not speaking about rumors now, we have:

Airbus:
- QR: 60 A358/A359
- 9W: 10 A332 (+10 options)
- Alafco: 12 A350 (+6 options)

Boeing:
- QR: 10 B773ER + 10 B772LR (splitted b'w pax and freighters version)
- FR: 5 B738
- Gecas: 20 B737
- 9W: 10 B772LR


(Edited: QR's Freighters)

[Edited 2005-06-14 13:45:47]
(Edited: Alafco's order  Wink )

[Edited 2005-06-14 13:48:14]
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:45 pm

Quoting PRGLY (Reply 2):
Embraer - Paramount 5x E70

What sectors is Paramount Aviation Planning.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:55 pm

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 6):
What sectors is Paramount Aviation Planning.

I wish to know either, they are startup carrier, may be some a.netter from India can give us some info. Paramount is not listed in this year JP at all.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:01 pm

PARIS AIR SHOW Airbus wins order for 12 A350s, 6 options from Kuwait leasing co

PARIS (AFX) - Airbus SAS said Kuwaiti leasing group ALAFCO has agreed to order 12 A350s, the European plane maker's rival to Boeing Co's 787 Dreamliner.

Speaking at the Le Bourget Air Show here, Airbus CEO Noel Forgeard said the order also comprises options for six more aircraft.

Deliveries of ALAFCO's A350-800s are due to begin in the third quarter of 2012. The plane is scheduled for a commercial launch in September this year.

The 12 aircraft would warrant about 2 bln usd based on list prices, although discounts are common.

Airbus has now secured 102 orders or agreements to order A350s. Forgeard earlier said the company expected orders to reach up to 120 during this week.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:04 pm

Airbus 82
Qatar 60x A350
ALAFCO 12x A350
Jet Airways 10x A330


Boeing 65
Ryanair 5x B737-800
Qatar 20x B777-200
GECAS 20x B737NG
Jet Airways 10x B777
Jet AIrways 10x B737-800

ATR 8
FinnComm 8x ATR42-500


EMBRAER 5
Paramount 5x ERJ-170

[Edited 2005-06-14 14:05:17]
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:10 pm

Curiously, all Airbus "orders" (commitments probably a better word) are widebodies. I would have expected some narrowbody commitments sprinkled in.....
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:16 pm

SkyEurope announceded 73G order well before, only new info was that thay will have winglets on
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:24 pm

Next order announcement for Airbus , is tomorrow morning , probably around 12AM LT.
Does someone know when the next order announcement from Boeing will take place ? Would be great to know !!!!!!!!
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:37 pm

Incoming (?)

but making sure not in the shadow of Qatar..

Gulf Air delegation departs for Le Bourget with fleet proposal

A delegation of senior Gulf Air executives headed by James Hogan, the airline's President and Chief Executive, are in Paris for the air show at Le Bourget, which began yesterday and runs until the 16th.


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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 9:43 pm

Quoting FCKC (Reply 13):
Does someone know when the next order announcement from Boeing will take place ? Would be great to know !!!!!!!!

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:30 pm

Quoting PRGLY (Reply 12):
SkyEurope announceded 73G order well before, only new info was that thay will have winglets on

That is correct. This is a previously announced order 12 of which will be sourced via GECAS whom ordered 6 frames to meet the requirement earlier this year. That leaves 4 more to be ordered by SkyEurope either direct from Boeing or via GECAS. Given the additional order from GECAS for 20 737s today the other 4 may well be part of that order.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:38 pm

Have a look on www.justplanes.com for nice recap table
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:39 pm

ILFC order for 20 737 and 8 777

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:45 pm

Any news if Tunisair or any other Tunisian airline will place an order during the Paris Air Show ? It will make a decade or almost since the latest Tunisian order !!!
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:56 pm

Brief order tally (day 1-2) A vs B:

A350 - 72
B737 - 55
B777 - 38
A330 - 10

Not bad for both camps.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:03 pm

Considering the opinion that Airbus are weak in the long haul market, these are quite positive results from Airbus.

The boeing 777 results are also very positive, but what surprises me is the paucity of 772ER (and all 340 variant) orders - is this market sector being squeezed by the 787/350?

Airbus had a 42% share for the first five months of 2005... wondering what it will be like by month end.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:14 pm

I am surprised at the lack or 787 from the lease co's. What 787 can we expect this week?
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:15 pm

Not intending to hijack this thread, but can somebody explain the Middle East passenger air-travel market to me? What in the world is in Qatar that warrants 60 A350's? How is the market in the Middle East so full of revenue potential?

I know Dubai in the UAE have made concerted efforts to increase tourism as they admit the oil will not last forever, but it's got to be more than tourism that has these Middle Eastern countries like Qatar, UAE, Saudi Arabia, etc. order so many large aircraft like the A380 and A350. Is the need or want to go to Europe that large?

I think the US commerical aviation market was ripe for meltdown regardless of 9/11, but how can the entire rest of the world between the Far East, Middle East, and Europe all have so much a better market for commerical aviation?
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:24 pm

Does has anyone have a firm-option breakdown on the QR order?
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Starrion (Reply 22):

Related to this, A320 not in the tally is also a surprise.
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 23):
How is the market in the Middle East so full of revenue potential?

Dubai is become a hub for the world oppose to a country. I think it's going to be very likely that airline consolidation in Europe and Asia will be inevitable because of the competition from airlines in Qatar and UAE.

All those high capacity A380's are going to drive down ticket prices to a degree never seen before.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Tue Jun 14, 2005 11:54 pm

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 8):
Airbus has now secured 102 orders or agreements to order A350s. Forgeard earlier said the company expected orders to reach up to 120 during this week.

So, we now have "orders", "agreements to order", "commitments", "options", "delivery positions", etc. Seems like airplane relationships are as complicated as human relationships!
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:02 am

"Airbus also announced a commitment from Kuwait-based international aircraft leasing company ALAFCO to buy 12 of its future A350 aircraft.
The intention to order, valued at some two billion dollars, includes an option to buy six more aircraft, Airbus chief executive Noel Forgeard told a news conference."

" Forgeard said there was strong demand for the planned A350, announced in December.
Airbus expects to have "110 to 120 orders by the end of the week... and about 200 commitments by the end of the year," he told another news conference."

Acknowledging that his US rival was ahead in orders, Forgeard said: "We hope our colleagues have enjoyed this period, because it's over now."


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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:18 am

Quoting AirRyan (Reply 23):
Not intending to hijack this thread, but can somebody explain the Middle East passenger air-travel market to me? What in the world is in Qatar that warrants 60 A350's? How is the market in the Middle East so full of revenue potential?

It's simple. Too much money available because of oil prices. The result is that Middle Eastern carriers will siphon off all traffic between Europe and Asia/Australia. BA, LH, AF, KL, SQ, CX, QF, etc, will see their market shares in those routes shrivel to nothing.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:20 am

Quoting Incitatus (Reply 29):

It's simple. Too much money available because of oil prices. The result is that Middle Eastern carriers will siphon off all traffic between Europe and Asia/Australia. BA, LH, AF, KL, SQ, CX, QF, etc, will see their market shares in those routes shrivel to nothing.

maybe that's why BA isn't going w/The WhaleJet
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:22 am

Not quite an order, but FlyBE has converted 4 Dash-8 Q400 options into additional firm orders.

http://www.forbes.com/home/feeds/afx/2005/06/14/afx2091796.html

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:26 am

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 28):
Acknowledging that his US rival was ahead in orders, Forgeard said: "We hope our colleagues have enjoyed this period, because it's over now."

Brave talk. It'll be a while before Airbus can claim more orders for the A350 than Boeing have for the 787. That said, pause to reflect that Qatar's order for 60 is larger than any single airline order for the 787 and Emirates is yet to announce. While we're at it, when did Airbus ever sell 60 widebodies in one go? Answer: never! If Airbus are fighting back, that's a pretty fair start.
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:37 am

Quoting PM (Reply 32):
That said, pause to reflect that Qatar's order for 60 is larger than any single airline order for the 787

Well, I may have a slight challenge to that. The QR order constitutes "up to" 60 airframes and is a mix of firm orders and options. The AC announcement for 787s from earlier in the year was for 14 firm and 46 options for a total of 60. But I agree with the sentiment of your post.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:42 am

Here is the real announcements as of this AM USA time:

PARIS AIR SHOW: Digest Of Top Stories At 1500 GMT



Tuesday June 14, 11:15 AM EDT


*** Airbus CEO Sees 110-120 A350 Orders By End Of Week Airbus CEO says that the order book for the planned A350 commercial jet is likely to reach between 110 and 120 units by the end of this week. Adds never wanted dual role at EADS, Airbus . *** Airbus Gets Order For A350 Planes From Alafco Airbus says it has received an order for 12 A350 planes from Aviation Lease And Finance, or Alafco, a Kuwaiti aviation leasing company. *** GE Commercial Aviation Orders 20 Boeing (BA) 737s GE Commercial Aviation Services orders 20 Boeing (BA) Next-Generation 737s worth $ 1.1 billion at list prices. *** India's Jet Airways Orders 20 Boeing (BA) Airplanes India's Jet Airways orders 20 Boeing (BA) airplanes and placed options for 10 additional aircraft. *** ILFC Orders Boeing (BA) 777s And Next-Generation 737s AIG's International Lease Finance confirms that it will order 20 next- generation 737-700s/-800s, six 777-300ERs and two 777-200ERs, together valued at nearly $2.9 billion at list prices. *** Rolls-Royce Gets Air France-KLM Unit Maintenance Pact Rolls-Royce says it has finalized service agreements with Regional, a wholly- owned subsidiary of Air France-KLM . *** India's Paramount Airways Orders 5 Embraer Jets Indian startup airline Paramount Airways signs preliminary agreements to lease five jets from Brazilian manufacturer Embraer.

Compiled by Dow Jones Newsplus editors.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:50 am

Quoting N60659 (Reply 33):
The QR order constitutes "up to" 60 airframes and is a mix of firm orders and options.

Whoops! If that's true then I withdraw my statement. But there seems to be some confusion regarding the status of these orders. Where is it stated that it's "up to"? (Not on the Airbus website, for sure!) But I'm not arguing. There are too many threads to keep on top of today and we'll have to see where we are once the smoke clears.
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:56 am

Quoting SQuared (Reply 31):
Not quite an order, but FlyBE has converted 4 Dash-8 Q400 options into additional firm orders.

That is an order -similar to FR's 5x738 option converson.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:01 am

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
There are too many threads to keep on top of today and we'll have to see where we are once the smoke clears.

Totally agree. Dust definitely needs to settle.

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
Where is it stated that it's "up to"?

Several news stories reported the order using verbiage like "up to" or "as many as" in their reporting. Here are a few links:

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...0613/ap_on_bi_ge/france_air_show_9
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=10000087&sid=a5KV98FOZNjg
http://www.iii.co.uk/news/?type=afxn...s&articleid=5322183&action=article
http://www.sharewatch.com/story.php?storynumber=72621

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
Whoops! If that's true then I withdraw my statement.

I really don't think what you said needs to be withdrawn. An order for 60 aircraft whether it be firm or firm + options is still significant for any manufacturer.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:07 am

Quoting PM (Reply 35):
Where is it stated that it's "up to"? (Not on the Airbus website, for sure!)

Actually, yes, one Airbus release does include "up to." Apparently another Airbus press release does not, so there is some confusion about the language.


QATAR AIRWAYS ORDERS UP TO 60 A350S

Qatar Airways announced today its decision to order up to 60 A350s becoming the largest customer for the aircraft so far.

...

The order is evaluated at 10.6 billions US dollars. The A350s, a mix of A350-800s and –900s are planned for delivery from mid-2010 to 2015.

http://events-org.airbus.com/a380/ev...t2005/articledetail.aspx?artid=443


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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:18 am

Can I please ask our American colleagues to stop being so anally retentive - Airbus are counting the order as 60.

If they (EADS) are willing to go to the stock exchange with sixty, we peons on airliners.net should be happy with this also.
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Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:22 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 39):
Can I please ask our American colleagues to stop being so anally retentive - Airbus are counting the order as 60.

If they (EADS) are willing to go to the stock exchange with sixty, we peons on airliners.net should be happy with this also.

Perhaps you didn't read this:

Quoting N60659 (Reply 37):
An order for 60 aircraft whether it be firm or firm + options is still significant for any manufacturer.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:54 am

That QR order is insane. 80 big twins!
 
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Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:56 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 39):
Can I please ask our American colleagues to stop being so anally retentive - Airbus are counting the order as 60

Does everything have to be Americans vs everyone else? Americans are not trying to be supremist here.. for real...

Because if we were..  Big grin .... it would be BBE vs A (Boeing-Bombadier-Embraer) cause they are all American companies (whether North, Central, or South)..  taekwondo   rotfl 

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Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:04 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 42):
Because if we were.. .... it would be BBE (Boeing-Bombadier-Embraer)vs A cause they are all American

Now youve just wound up the Canadians and the Brazilians.

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 42):
Americans are not trying to be supremist

God help us if they do try... It just seems that everything Airbus does, its either wrong, or Boeing does it better. It just seems that everything France thinks is wrong also....

Cant we all see that both manufacturers know what they are up to, and celebrate global success.
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Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:15 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 43):
Now youve just wound up the Canadians and the Brazilians.

No Canadian or Brazilian can deny they are not American (North American Canadian & South American Brazilian).. either way, we are all in the Americas.. besides, its all good.. Just like all step children, we Americans may fight and fuss but we still family so we got to get along with each other..

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 43):
God help us if they do try... It just seems that everything Airbus does, its either wrong, or Boeing does it better. It just seems that everything France thinks is wrong also....

Cant we all see that both manufacturers know what they are up to, and celebrate global success.

In all fairness, that can be said for both sides. If Airbus is having a great year, then the claim is that Boeing is going to sulk and their product sux. If Boeing is have a great year, then the claim is Airbus is going to whine and try to overturn everything by crying wolf.

In essence, both airlines are good airlines. Boeing is the experience (in number of years) version, and Airbus (in number of years) is the new kid on the bus. There will always be a rivalry between the two, it won't end, and neither will completely knock out the other. So it doesn't matter how much A vs B happens, it's not going to change a thing. Airbus is Boeing's ying. Boeing is Airbus yang. It's a balance.

Now, my qeustion is this.. should Airbus be considered French anymore? Much like Boeing can't be considered Washingtonian, I don't think Airbus could be considered French. It is a more EU company. Since it is the goverment in Brussels that is arguing on behalf of Airbus (much like it is the government here in DC arguing on behalf of Boeing), calling it a French company (in my opinion) should no longer be validated.

But I have rambled on enough.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:07 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 39):
Can I please ask our American colleagues to stop being so anally retentive - Airbus are counting the order as 60. If they (EADS) are willing to go to the stock exchange with sixty, we peons on airliners.net should be happy with this also.

People in the US have seen lots of statements made by Enron, WorldCom, etc to stock exchanges also. It's not just an EU/US thing, there have been financial mishaps in the EU too. So, sorry, I don't automatically buy anything that someone says in a press release.

I'll requote what I started with above:

Quoting Squirrel83 (Reply 8):
Airbus has now secured 102 orders or agreements to order A350s. Forgeard earlier said the company expected orders to reach up to 120 during this week.

Isn't it interesting how in the first sentence they make a distinction between "orders" and "agreements to order", and yet in the second sentence they lump "orders" and "agreements to order" in the same total now called "orders"?

What if you told a potential spouse:
a) I will marry you next week
b) I agree to marry you next week
c) I am committed to marrying you next week
d) I'd like the option to marry you next week

Would they say these were all the same thing?

And this isn't an A vs B thing - both sides count things as being firm orders when there are an awful lot of ways for the buyer to back out with little or no penalty, and are subject to labor agreements, etc.
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting Revelation (Reply 45):
What if you told a potential spouse:
a) I will marry you next week
b) I agree to marry you next week
c) I am committed to marrying you next week
d) I'd like the option to marry you next week

Would they say these were all the same thing?

YES they are. They imply your gonna marry that person next week.

LOL, I think you used the wrong analogy.

Back to the topic,

I cant wait to hear what tomorrows orders will bring.

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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:21 am

With all these discussion regarding "firm orders", "options", etc. I think it's worth to make a small clarification regarding business and accounting practice differences between Europe and USA.

In short, US accounting rules for publicly owned companies require more transparency than in Europe (especially after the measures taken by the US government after Enron scandal). Under these terms Boeing can not call a deal to be a "firm order" until all paperwork is completed, the contract is signed and any binding deposit stated in the contract has been made. In Europe the term "order" is used much more liberally making it difficult to distinguish between firm, binding orders, and options, LOI's, etc.

The difference is quite visible from the respective web sites of both companies. Boeing web site only lists firm (binding) orders, as well as all cancellations or conversions. This is required by US accounting rules for the general public who might be interested in acquiring Boeing stock. Options, LOIs, or non-binding orders are not listed. In contrast, Airbus web site lists all news orders, but conviniently omits any cancellations or conversions, effectively inflating the apparent numbers of planes on order. This is OK under EU accounting rules, but it would be illegal in the USA.

An attempt to implement accounting rules similar to the US ones in EU was made few years ago, when Europe was hit by its own share of financial scandals related to high profile companies (Vivendi, Alsthom). However, EU legislators voted against (under heavy pressure from most European companies) as this would expose the vulnerabilities of many well established companies (including several major European banks) and potentially result in more headache to an already weakened EU economy at that time.

Many large American corporations - and a few European ones - have been lobbying for years to increase accounting transparency in EU, but this works against the political interests of the region.
 
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:24 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 46):
cant wait to hear what tomorrows orders will bring.

so maybe you will have nicer evening - ATR reports 6 ATR72-500 for XK
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting KL808 (Reply 46):
YES they are. They imply your gonna marry that person next week.

Not to most of the women I've dated!  Smile Sad  Wink All they wanted to hear was Option A.

Quoting Katekebo (Reply 47):
In Europe the term "order" is used much more liberally making it difficult to distinguish between firm, binding orders, and options, LOI's, etc.

Thanks, Katekebo for your posting. One of the best things about this forum is we can sort out these kinds of differences and understand each other better. Some times it isn't pretty to watch, but when push comes to shove that's what is really going on. Welcome to my RU list!
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RE: Paris Orders Summary

Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:10 am

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