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Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:41 pm

Airbus' Forgeard confident for 200 A350 orders by end-2005

Airbus SAS CEO Noel Forgeard said he is confident the group can win orders for 200 A350 aircraft by the end of the year.

Speaking at the Le Bourget air show here, Forgeard said: 'I am confident of achieving 200 purchase agreements by the end of the year.'

Airbus has already obtained 90 orders for the planned competitor to Boeing Co's 787 'Dreamliner' and Forgeard said that by the end of the Air Show that could have risen to 110-120.


Guess Leahy was right..

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:52 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Guess Leahy was right..

about what? he made so many various predictions, it was hard to be wrong. I heard 100, 100+, 150, 150+, etc. from him.

But most everyone was expecting the 100+ to be right, and the 150 and higher to be wishful thinking. And that seems to be what is the final result, though there's still some time to go...
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 6:57 pm

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
'I am confident of achieving 200 purchase agreements by the end of the year.'

Before anyone gets too wound up with this thread and starts Leahy bashing I would like to point out that:

A) He stated he is "confident" and that is by no means fact that this will occur

B) Boeing said the same about 787 orders - it didn't eventuate yet no more than 6 months later their target has easily been achieved and then some.

However given its turbulent reception thus far the A350 is certainly starting to gain momentum and I am pleased that finally the 787 has some competition. (And secretly I think most of us are happy no matter which side of the pond we live on)

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:00 pm

Once again Keesje posts that PR crap from Leahy...
Last time somebody announced that number of orders, it was torn apart and it did not come true. Let's watch Leahy's humble servant Keesje when the reality about those orders strikes in...
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:05 pm

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 3):
Last time somebody announced that number of orders, it was torn apart and it did not come true.

Yeah, remember the last manufacturer to talk about 200 orders before the end of the year? Who was it again?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:09 pm

That is what I say...

Watch Leahy's right hand, aka Keesje, 6 months from now...

Defending delays, defending unmet goals, defending anyhing coming from Toulouse, even if Airbus would decide to cease operations, Keesje would find a way to defend that...

That is exactly the point.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:19 pm

But if they get more than 100 orders now I don't understand why it would be so hard to get up to 200 orders by the end of the year.
 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:20 pm

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 5):

Well with comments like yours do you blame him? Keep in mind that you are flaming a fellow a.net user without any merit.

He posted a topic of interest, if you are not interested the why post? IMO he is doing no different than any member wanting to start a reasonable discussion.

Quoting Keesje (Thread starter):
Airbus has already obtained 90 orders for the planned competitor to Boeing Co's 787 'Dreamliner' and Forgeard said that by the end of the Air Show that could have risen to 110-120.

Keesje, any news on where they expect those other 20-30 orders from? I see that EK's order may be back on the table but is there news of any other upcoming orders?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:24 pm

Remembers me something...
I'm happy for Airbus if they are confident.

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 3):
Once again Keesje posts that PR crap

He's not the only one. 2 days ago we had the Seattle Time "A380 First delivery now in April 2007"  Yeah sure

The PRO-/put here your favourite manufacturer/ will always think the competitor's media game is a PR crap.
Now if it'd happen the other way around, it'll sure be a BREAKING NEWS and not a PR crap.

Seeing from outside, everyone's bias is so funny, thanks guys for the entertainment  Wink

Back to topic: What are these 90 orders for the A350 (60 QR + ...? )

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:27 pm

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 8):
Back to topic: What are these 90 orders for the A350 (60 QR + ...? )

QR - 60
Air Europa - 10
US/HP - 20?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:39 pm

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 3):
Once again Keesje posts that PR crap from Leahy...

I noticed that also. Must be family?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:03 pm

I hope this comes true, and Leahy doesn't do like somebody of the competition did...  irked 

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 3):
Once again Keesje posts that PR crap from Leahy...

Don't bash Keesje so easily. He also tells good things about Boeing  Wink
Jet Air Plans Fleet Expansion, Boeing 777, Airbus (by Keesje Jun 14 2005 in Civil Aviation)

BTW, do you say the same when the "Boeing PR" is posted?

Quoting BoogyJay (Reply 8):
Back to topic: What are these 90 orders for the A350 (60 QR + ...? )

Alafco ordered some (12?). I don't know of more. Right now, with all these new orders, I'm getting quite confused!  boggled 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:05 pm

Quoting Keta (Reply 11):
Alafco ordered some (12?). I don't know of more. Right now, with all these new orders, I'm getting quite confused

By my reckoning that brings it to 102. Possibility for more orders during Paris?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:21 pm

Quoting Keta (Reply 11):
Right now, with all these new orders, I'm getting quite confused!

I agree.

As I posted in Alafco Orders For 12 A350-800! (by KL911 Jun 14 2005 in Civil Aviation), we currently have:

# QR: 60
# UX: 10
# US/HP: 20
# Alafco: 12

But where I'm confused is which ones are signed, confirmed, MOU, etc..?  Confused

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:43 pm

Nudelhirsch, thnx again for your valuable contribution, on the

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 5):
Defending delays, defending unmet goals

PLS do a Search & back it up, or explain yourself.


referring to ALAFCO, a Kuwait-based leasing company, they ordered 12 A350s with options on 6 more.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:03 am

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 5):
That is what I say...

Watch Leahy's right hand, aka Keesje, 6 months from now...

Defending delays, defending unmet goals, defending anyhing coming from Toulouse, even if Airbus would decide to cease operations, Keesje would find a way to defend that...

That is exactly the point.

There is no need for that kind of talk. Keesje ought to be able to voice his opinions without being attacked like that. There are a lot of us on A.net who would agree with him and enjoy his insightful posts!

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:13 am

[quote=Keesje,reply=14]referring to ALAFCO, a Kuwait-based leasing company, they ordered 12 A350s with options on 6 more.
http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2...05/06/14/ap/business/d8anbglo0.txt

Well when I try to log on to the relevant web page, it says there has been a 404 error and that the page cannot be found. Ironically at the top it says "Mommy talk". That this signify such A350 orders are indeed Mommy talk?
I would suggest you back your statements with quotes derived from professional aviation/ finance related publications. Otherwise one questions your statements.

Keep up the good work Keesje. I do not agree with your staunch support for all things Airbus but you sure make things exciting.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:20 am

Yeah and Boeing will have close to 400 787 orders IMO by the end of the year.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:30 am

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 17):


Yeah and Boeing will have close to 400 787 orders IMO by the end of the year.

And since this is a thread about the A350, that information is very interesting...
 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:43 am

Why oh why cant we celebrate the success of both Boeing and Airbus for a change?
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:51 am

Keep up the good work Keesje !

IMO it is clear that Boeing wasn't able to undercut the A350 (and prevent it from being built), appealing to the WTO and low prices for the B787 didn't work, the A350 seems to be a go.
Keep in mind that before the A350 comes along Airbus still has about 250 A330s (and a few A300s) to deliver, while Boeing isn't really delivering anything in that seat market before the B787 comes on line late 2008, more than 3 years from now.
On the other hand the B772LR and B773ER seem to really surge ahead of the A345 and A346.

With the A380 to remain competitorless (a B744Adv is no match for it) the future for Airbus looks bright.

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:53 am

To clarify order to date, this is what I have seen:

PARIS AIR SHOW: Digest Of Top Stories At 1500 GMT


Tuesday June 14, 11:15 AM EDT


*** Airbus CEO Sees 110-120 A350 Orders By End Of Week Airbus CEO says that the order book for the planned A350 commercial jet is likely to reach between 110 and 120 units by the end of this week. Adds never wanted dual role at EADS, Airbus . *** Airbus Gets Order For A350 Planes From Alafco Airbus says it has received an order for 12 A350 planes from Aviation Lease And Finance, or Alafco, a Kuwaiti aviation leasing company. *** GE Commercial Aviation Orders 20 Boeing (BA) 737s GE Commercial Aviation Services orders 20 Boeing (BA) Next-Generation 737s worth $ 1.1 billion at list prices. *** India's Jet Airways Orders 20 Boeing (BA) Airplanes India's Jet Airways orders 20 Boeing (BA) airplanes and placed options for 10 additional aircraft. *** ILFC Orders Boeing (BA) 777s And Next-Generation 737s AIG's International Lease Finance confirms that it will order 20 next- generation 737-700s/-800s, six 777-300ERs and two 777-200ERs, together valued at nearly $2.9 billion at list prices. *** Rolls-Royce Gets Air France-KLM Unit Maintenance Pact Rolls-Royce says it has finalized service agreements with Regional, a wholly- owned subsidiary of Air France-KLM . *** India's Paramount Airways Orders 5 Embraer Jets Indian startup airline Paramount Airways signs preliminary agreements to lease five jets from Brazilian manufacturer Embraer.

Compiled by Dow Jones Newsplus editors.


Hope this helps out with the confusion.

Although I am a Boeing fan, and I do not like some of the crap Airbus does with the AI situation or subsidies for example, I would hate to see them or any other major manufacturer fail in a major project launch. I just prefer to see Boeing "slightly ahead" of them Big grin

It is no fun to see Boeing 787 walk all over Airbus A-350, so I am glad they are getting some competition with these orders. Congratulations to Airbus on getting it together, albeit a bit late....I was worried for a while that the A-350 had missed the mark.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:01 am

More competition = cheaper aircraft = more aircraft orders = cheaper seats.

Thanks Boeing, Airbus
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 1:59 am

Dude ya'll gots to take a chill pill.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 1):
But most everyone was expecting the 100+ to be right, and the 150 and higher to be wishful thinking. And that seems to be what is the final result, though there's still some time to go...

So far Airbus has booked 102 orders, as follows:

Qatar = 60
ALAFCO = 12
Air Europa = 10
American West/USair = 20

thats a total of 102 orders.

That is of course if they all get firmed up.

Emirates wants 50 airframes, therefore that would boost it up to 152. And with 6 month remaining I think another 48 frames is attainable.

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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 2:08 am

200 seems to be a magic number that both A & B execs "hope for". Just hope that the public doesn't take this desire as written in stone for A like it did for B.

I'm also hoping that the 350 turns out to be a very good plane - just like the 787. I'll probably fly on both in the future and want them to be very good planes!
 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 3:13 am

Quoting Ken777 (Reply 24):
I'm also hoping that the 350 turns out to be a very good plane - just like the 787. I'll probably fly on both in the future and want them to be very good planes!

Indeed. The A330/A340 fuselage width is very popular, and the A350 is rearranging the interior to make a bit more space available, and the B787 should be a tad wider still! Beats the heck out of flying a single aisle as far as I'm concerned.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:35 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 19):
Why oh why cant we celebrate the success of both Boeing and Airbus for a change?

Because human nature is competitive, especially boys with toys.
 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:56 am

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 26):
Because human nature is competitive, especially boys with toys.

About sports I can understand, but aircraft manufactures??? Step away from this board people.. Please.. Get some fresh air outside  Wink

Quoting Nudelhirsch (Reply 3):
Once again Keesje posts that PR crap from Leahy...



Quoting Glideslope (Reply 10):
I noticed that also. Must be family?

And I am thankful of him.. Its your own left or right hand clicking on the subject, and in my simple eyes the subject was clear enough to tell this was PR "crap".
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 7:18 am

Quoting Monteycarlos (Reply 2):
Before anyone gets too wound up with this thread and starts Leahy bashing I would like to point out that:

A) He stated he is "confident" and that is by no means fact that this will occur

B) Boeing said the same about 787 orders - it didn't eventuate yet no more than 6 months later their target has easily been achieved and then some.

However given its turbulent reception thus far the A350 is certainly starting to gain momentum and I am pleased that finally the 787 has some competition. (And secretly I think most of us are happy no matter which side of the pond we live on)

Couldn't have put it better, so I will just sit back and continue reading  Wink
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:42 am

I said it before and I'll say it again: I'LL BELIEVE IT WHEN I'LL SEE IT.

Boeing didn't pull it off.
I don't expect Airbus to pull it off either.
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 9:56 am

I'm not sure why anyone is upset.

It looks like both manufacturers have new products that poeple want.

Boeing is having a banner year and Airbus is racking up some pretty good orders too. The A380 is built, the A350 seems to be doing better, the 787 is doing great, and soon we may have a new 747 to look forward too.


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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:30 am

with the A350 having 110-120 commitments(I'll refrain from saying orders), and with EK signing up for 50-60, ILFC 20-30 and possibly Shenzhen for around 10, the 200 figure seems very realistic to me. Again, the 350 will be very dependent on QR/EK,although the 787 is very dependent on the Japanese carriers.
As there are some doubts about some 787 orders(Primaris), I have similar doubts as to whether the US/HP and Kingfisher commitments will ever come to fruition. The whole program needs a large airline outside the ME to get on board in a big way(and I'm not including HP/US here); like IB,TP,CX,LH etc.
 
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RE: Airbus : 200 A350 Orders By End-2005

Wed Jun 15, 2005 10:32 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 19):
Why oh why cant we celebrate the success of both Boeing and Airbus for a change?

Yeah its a fair call, but I think some people are just getting a little annoyed that and thread about the A350 seems to end up in an A350 - 787 cockfight.

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 21):
Although I am a Boeing fan, and I do not like some of the crap Airbus does with the AI situation or subsidies for example, I would hate to see them or any other major manufacturer fail in a major project launch. I just prefer to see Boeing "slightly ahead" of them

Hey at least you're honest!  Wink And BestWestern summarises it pretty well below:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 22):
More competition = cheaper aircraft = more aircraft orders = cheaper seats.

Thats spot on - with every additional plane its better for consumers because we are making the world of air travel smaller and cheaper!

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 29):
Boeing didn't pull it off.
I don't expect Airbus to pull it off either.

Probably not though, but all Leahy said was that he was "confident" and not that it was set in stone. Its good to aim high because thats what the airlines want to hear... a successful plane that they can use.
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