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Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:40 am

We're in the mid of the Paris Air Show and still no 787 order.
The A350 sells obviously much better than many, many A.netters expected.
The Qatar orders were NOT 777s. Some airlines from India ordered enormous amounts of Airbus seat capacity (compared to their current operations); IFLC orders Boeing, as usual. NW will not turn in their DC-9s for 787s.

I'm fully aware that Boeing has another policy of announcing sales. And the 787 is in lead over the 350. But just imagine this announcement bombardment from Airbus would go on in this intensity for the next three days. So: Where the heck are orders for the Dreamliner?
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:42 am

No.

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I'm really surprised there hasn't been a 787 order announced at the show, but perhaps it is as suspected, that Airbus has been saving up orders to announce at their "home" show, whereas Boeing announce them as and when they can.
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:42 am

Edit: Uhm.. I believe Boeing announces the orders as they get them - this is Airbus' time. The 787 has been sold, but the star of the show is the A350


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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 12:48 am

As has been said previously, Boeing tends to announce orders as they come, they dont save them for an airshow announcement.

But, this does damage Boeing in a way, as it essentially gives massive publicity to Airbus precisely when there are a lot of reporters and influential industry analysts looking without anything coming from Boeing. Im actually quite surprised that Boeing hasnt made any order announcements for the 787 at Paris jsut to take the edge off of the Airbus publicity - maybe Boeing has something large up its sleeve for the end of the show?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:03 am

This spring the 787 has had a lot of high profile orders and press. I am not concerned with all of the attention airbus and the A350 have received at the Paris air show because in a few weeks time when airlines announce additional orders for the 787, who will remember or care that none were announced at the Paris airshow.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:04 am

Boeing announced many major 787 orders the week that the A380 flew, suggesting (to me) that they decided that they wanted to "spoil" this event more than the Paris Air Show for Airbus. Just a thought...
 
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:15 am

It still amazes me that B seem to think that these shows are not important for displaying their wares. The one time when all the worlds press, airlines etc etc are in one place and they make no effort at all. In my industry (yachting) if you are not at ExCel every January - you are nobody - even the smallest company makes the effort. This is how you get to know who and what is going on. Still, I guess they know best.....
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:27 am

Quoting Startknob (Thread starter):
The Qatar orders were NOT 777s.

Startknob,

The news release states clearly that Qatar ordered 777s, even Qatar airways website confirms this....where did you hear that they were 330s or some other aircraft?

http://www.qatarairways.com/6.2315.0.0.1.0.htm

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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:30 am

i would if i cud afford one!!  Wink
 
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:31 am

It has been a bit of time since we've heard a good 787 order. Not long ago, we were talking about Boeing opening a second 787 production line.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:34 am

I would prefer to go to Paris and order my self a nice batch of A380.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
But, this does damage Boeing in a way, as it essentially gives massive publicity to Airbus precisely when there are a lot of reporters and influential industry analysts looking without anything coming from Boeing. Im actually quite surprised that Boeing hasnt made any order announcements for the 787 at Paris jsut to take the edge off of the Airbus publicity

Boeing lets the customer decide when to announce the order. Do you really think airlines are influenced by a barrage of orders at one air show? They buy the planes based on what is best for their fleet after a thorough analysis, not by jumping on a hype bandwagon.
 
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:38 am

Quoting Startknob (Thread starter):
I'm fully aware that Boeing has another policy of announcing sales. And the 787 is in lead over the 350. But just imagine this announcement bombardment from Airbus would go on in this intensity for the next three days. So: Where the heck are orders for the Dreamliner?

remember, 787 has been displayed for awhile and as 350 was not officially offered, people know in theory that 350 was there.... and so people have ordered 787s for awhile... and now it is just the time for 350 to show around.
 
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:39 am

@Bmacleod: Sorry, my fault. It was up to 60 350s and 20 777s AFAIK. So the simple word "all" was missedbtw. NOT and 777s. OK?  Wink
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:40 am

Mr Udvar-Hazy from ILFC stated at Paris that they'll order the 787 before year end. They just need to finalise pricing and he even stated that wasn't too much of an issue. Ok, so not firm but one of the 2 largest Leasing Companies in the business stated they'd buy it, at Paris, after buying 28 other Boeings.

As others have stated. Boeing let the customer announce when it suits them though I get the feeling they changed to goal posts on that one a little for this show. I would have liked to see the 6 UFO 787s announced though I guess I'll have to wait like the rest of us.

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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:50 am

do you think boeing really cares about the press in this case? they've been getting better publicity than airbus all year, because the media likes to portray this as a huge turn around (which it may or may not be, not the discussion for here though). in the end run, the public doesn't know diddly squat about current airplanes, let alone ones in developement. the public knows that airbus has a new super jumbo, boeing has a new airplane that's supposed to make things much more comfortable for passengers, and they may or may not know about the technological achievements of either airplane. boeing has been holding its own in terms of total orders, they've just been centered away from the 787. i know that boeing says that passengers will know and love the 787 when it's released, and that may be true, but for now, it's just a plane in developement. the average citizen of the world couldn't tell you that Axxx means it's built by airbus. that's not a slight against airbus, that's simply the truth. i was talking to my uncle this weekend, who's actually a pilot, and he talked about how apparently there've been a lot of orders for the a 530 or something like that.

the manufacturers know the pros and cons of each airplane, i don't think they give a damn about press on an airplane in developement unless it's decisively negative (boeing's building a death trap! airbus is building a terrorist magnet!)
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:50 am

Maybe AI could have announced theirs  Smile
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 1:59 am

Quoting Astuteman (Reply 5):
Boeing announced many major 787 orders the week that the A380 flew, suggesting (to me) that they decided that they wanted to "spoil" this event more than the Paris Air Show for Airbus. Just a thought...

It was only AC, AI only made their decision that same week...that is something that Boeing did not have any control over.

The A350 may have garnered a lot of attention during this week but the real battle (between the 787 and A350) will be in the weeks and months that follow as well as flight testing, revenue service and further orders after all of that.
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please

Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:07 am

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 16):
The A350 may have garnered a lot of attention during this week but the real battle (between the 787 and A350) will be in the weeks and months that follow as well as flight testing, revenue service and further orders after all of that.

I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Quote:
Leahy said the A350 will better the 787 in any number of comparisons based on seat-mile costs -- lower fuel burn per seat, lower maintenance costs per seat and even less empty airplane weight per seat.

"Not a chance," countered Boeing.

The A350 will be from 20 to 30 tons heavier than the 787 and it would require a "rewrite of physics" for the Airbus plane to beat the 787 in the kinds of comparisons mentioned by Leahy.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:09 am

Yawn, the 787 orders will come throughout the year-nothing to worry about. The A-350 has it's turn right now. And yes, a previous post suggetsed that as the year goes on no one will remember who ordered what except all us anetters of course.

The real story here (at least in my mind) is the glut of unexpected 777 orders against the A-350. I thought Airbus said this airplane was directed at 777-200??
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:14 am

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Them's fightin' words!

Quoting DAYflyer (Reply 19):
The real story here (at least in my mind) is the glut of unexpected 777 orders against the A-350. I thought Airbus said this airplane was directed at 777-200??

Most have been for the 777NG but yes I was also surprised by the small numbers of 772ER orders.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:23 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 20):
Most have been for the 777NG

I'm still trying to figure out what a 777NG is...last time I checked Boeing never offered a "New Generation" 777. Why do so many A.netters keep refering to the 777 as such???? The 772LR and 773ER are not "New Generation" 777s just because they came out so late. They were planned from the beginning it just took time to materialize. So why the "NG" designation?
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:27 am

That may be so but 777NG does refer to 772LR and 773ER, probably because it is considered that:

1) They will completely undercut previous variants for the respective sizes.

2) They are direct competitors to the A345 and A346, which are called the A340NG.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:28 am

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Please let's keep some sort of credibility to the statements we post...baseless assertions like this are just plain stupid.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:30 am

Let's face it, Boeing --if it is indeed able to make the 787 as advertised -- has filled up just about all the early delivery slots for it so for any airlines not already aboard Airbus' midsize offerings (or even chimeras of offerings, since that's what the A350 still is right now) start looking like viable alternatives.
And of course politically Airbus is a more palatable supplier for a lot of folks too since it's kinda skanky ordering stuff from guys in a war-manic society instead, and so forth.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:34 am

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Lets not carried away here. Boeing is actually putting its neck out more than Airbus. Boeing has taken a more revolutionary step into the construction of the B787. While Airbus has taken the more traditional approach. Only time will tell who will be right, if not both.

For all those skeptics that believed that Airbus would just sit down and let Boeing take all this market to them selves. I just have one thing to say

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 2:54 am

The 787 is also in its 'plateau' stage for orders now.

What I mean by that is that manufacturers sign up customers for prelaunch, and then orders tank for a while. It is caused by some carriers who are

1. not able to order just yet
2. waiting to see if it works as promised*
3. do not need to do any forward fleet planning due to several reasons

(* cheerleaders screeching "but it will! It's not an Airbus!" need not reply. Finance directors don't trust the words of ANYONE, they want cold hard performance figures, data on the construction or contract guarantees)

Once the aircraft flies, and production slots are getting closer to the day in question, then sales take off again.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:05 am

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 24):
And of course politically Airbus is a more palatable supplier for a lot of folks too since it's kinda skanky ordering stuff from guys in a war-manic society instead, and so forth.

Please, if international or national politics had anything to do with the majority of order than no one would order any goos or services from other countries. BTW, the EU is also vulnerable so please don't just single out Boeing/US (though it is apparent where your sympathies are).
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:15 am

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 15):
do you think boeing really cares about the press in this case?

They should do... thats why companies spend a fortune on marketing and PR.

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 15):
they've been getting better publicity than airbus all year

Really - I could have sworn that the largest media event in transport terms this year was the launch of the A380... wall to wall coverage for three days.

Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):
Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.

Thanks for that insightful analysis Beauing... notice your name has a French ring to it.... are you secretly a airbus lover, but cant just own up to that unspeakable disease of being able to think for yourself>>>....  Smile
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:18 am

NYC777-- Please, if international or national politics had anything to do with the majority of order than no one would order any goos or services from other countries

Please, do avoid being so categorical  Smile


BTW, the EU is also vulnerable

Not in that particular department they're nowhere near as  Wink (And besides, especially these recent days the "EU" isn't even that monolithic an entity either!)
 
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:19 am

Quoting Glom (Reply 20):
Quoting Beauing (Reply 18):I predict the 787/A350 battle will go the same route as the 777/A340. Once the Airbus enters service and the airlines realize it doesn't live up to its performance goals they will begin dumping them en masse and going Boeing.
Them's fightin' words!

There really is nothing to fight about. Airlines simply no longer trust Airbus performance claims. The A346 fiasco was the killer for Airbus. Why do you think airlines openly state their desire to see REAL performance figures for the A380 prior to committing? Because their Horoscope tells them to? No, they have recurrent nightmares of the A340.

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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:31 am

Has Airbus relleased any images of the A350, or will it look like the A330?

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:31 am

Quoting Glideslope (Reply 30):
Airlines simply no longer trust Airbus performance claims

What a stupid statement!
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 24):
And of course politically Airbus is a more palatable supplier for a lot of folks too since it's kinda skanky ordering stuff from guys in a war-manic society instead, and so forth.

Oh please! The Middle-East is a major customer for Boeing and they're the ones who would be the most pissed off about it. Evidently, they are more able than you to look beyond pale stereotypes and seperate the actions of certain people from the products and services offered by others.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:54 am

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 28):
Quoting Bohlman (Reply 15):
they've been getting better publicity than airbus all year

Really - I could have sworn that the largest media event in transport terms this year was the launch of the A380... wall to wall coverage for three days.

not in the states they haven't.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 3:59 am

Glideslope:

Youre statement is full of BS, and U know it! The 346 fiasco as you state; CX non-stop HKG-JFK (EWR) is a "fiasco"?

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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:00 am

Glom --Oh please! The Middle-East is a major customer for Boeing and they're the ones who would be the most pissed off about it.

They are, and they are -- but then that's the Middle East for you. A veritable thicket of geopolitics in different directions, especially nowadays.


they are more able than you to look beyond pale stereotypes and seperate the actions of certain people from the products and services offered by others.

"Coerced" rather than "able", is very probably more like it here. However the wider issues, especially globally, of course remain connected nonetheless.

[Edited 2005-06-16 21:03:58]
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:00 am

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 34):
Really - I could have sworn that the largest media event in transport terms this year was the launch of the A380... wall to wall coverage for three days.


not in the states they haven't

Is that because all the US carriers are too broke to buy any?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:02 am

Quoting RichardPrice (Reply 3):
But, this does damage Boeing in a way, as it essentially gives massive publicity to Airbus precisely when there are a lot of reporters and influential industry analysts looking without anything coming from Boeing.

It does no damage to Boeing. For Airbus. People in the business know what is going on at all times. This is noting but a trade show. Have you ever been to a trade show? Everyone knows what is up... these type of meetings are basically time for people to see face-to-face and look at hardware in person. Industry analyst do not depend on a trade show to figure out what is going on. Come to New York City and I will take you to any number of Wall Street industry analyst and they will tell you exactly how they assess an industry. But trade shows and announcements are not! Publicity only gets a company's name in the general population. However, in this case - commercial aviation, general population do not buy large airplanes. So publicity translates into nothing. Airlines and their aircraft acquisition committees evaluate planes based on many different elements, but publicity is not one of them. To say few announcement at a trade show does damage to a multi-billion dollar company is childish.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:03 am

I hope we all can remember what has been said concerning the 380/787/350. Let's meet 10 years from now and revisit this topic. It would be interesting to see what happened
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:05 am

I am actually wondering why such sales are always announced during events like the Paris Air show. If somebody had the money in his pocket, he would probably even doing hard, going to Paris and get his dream of an aircraft. Such evaluation processes are actually taking a lot of time and there is more than one meeting of the board needed until only the type is evaluated. Then the subject of financing is coming up and the dealing goes on. During all this time nobody has to go to Paris, Seattle, Toulouse or wherever. Their salesagents are actually coming along all day long. Finally when the deal is clear, it goes into the manufacturers legal department and they will prepare the contracts, those will then go into the customers legal department and so on.....
So, you see, if a deal is really signed at Paris Air Show, this deal was started up at least 6 months before and the only reason making it public during such an event is publicity. So I would not say this manufacturer sold that many of this plane during this show. I think the only we can say is how much a manufacturer sold over a certain period.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:06 am

Quoting Mark_D. (Reply 36):
"Coerced" rather than "able", is very probably more like it here.

You mean they were coerced into basing their fleet planning on what suits their needs best rather than biasing their decision by considering unrelated actions of the government of the country of the company. Incidentally, the UK makes up part of Airbus as well as Spain, which initially supported the war.
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:06 am

Aerofan-- I hope we all can remember what has been said concerning the 380/787/350. Let's meet 10 years from now and revisit this topic. It would be interesting to see what happened

There ya go  Smile
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:10 am

Quoting Bohlman (Reply 34):
not in the states they haven't.

CNN? Richard Quest....
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:11 am

Do any of you guys who have come out with the "airshows really don't matter" believe what you are writing?
 
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:34 am

Quoting Avalon (Reply 44):
"airshows really don't matter"

They're nice but what matters at the end of the year is how many firm orders B has and how many firm ordes A has not when they got them. B was able to book over 150 787 orders between Jan. 1 and June 12th. They'll book many more between Jun 18th and Dec. 31st. The one with the most wins. Regardless if they got them at the airshow or not.

BTW, the only good thing the airshow are good for are to enable mmore meetings between suppliers and purchasers, do the wining and dining, have a little party..AND set up business for contracts to be signed in the coming months. Again, the one with the most on Dec. 31st wins (for that year).

So Airbus has 100 more orders than Boeing, let's see what the next few months bring.
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Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:41 am

Quoting Avalon (Reply 44):
Do any of you guys who have come out with the "airshows really don't matter" believe what you are writing?

The airshow is one week out of 52. Often times orders from airshows don't come into fruition. Let's be honest, these startup airlines are using the airshow for name recognition. They will most certainly renege on some of their orders. So to answer your question...YES.
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:45 am

I for one believe that Boeing will have more orders than Airbus this year, because they offer excellent product. But it wont be at the 58% market share they had until for the first five months.

The 787 will also sell more than the 350, as it has had a considerable head start, and are selling an excellent product.
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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:37 am

Congratulations to both Airbus and Boeing on their success with orders! Always great to see another bird in the sky! On another note..

Has anyone else noticed how nasty so many threads have gotten this past week? It seems that people are really at each others throats over some dumb stuff. I understand that some people make uninformed posts and some try to stir the pot (and NOT in the way I did the first time I flew a side-stick aircraft  Wink ), but.. damn. It's gettin' bad and, in my opinion, the air show has sure ruffled some feathers!

I know that everyone is entitled to their own opinion whether biased or not.. but just thought I'd put in my thoughts..

Anyways, can't wait to see all these new birds in their respective liveries!

Ramblings,

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RE: Can Somebody Go To Paris And Buy A 787, Please?!

Fri Jun 17, 2005 6:57 am

I think Boeing isn't worried about not announcing orders for the 787 at the Paris Air Show. With AA and DL both operating a massive fleet of 767/757s and their loyalty to Boeing, I think Boeing will eventually get an order from AA and DL for the 787 and those orders will be the biggest orders any aircraft manufacturer will probably get from a single airline. Combined AA and DL will probably have a need for about 250-300 aircraft to replace their current 767/757 (and AB6 in AA's case) fleet? I think Airbus will have a very small chance in winning orders from AA and/or DL, but than again who knows what can happen. I just think Boeing will eventually have the upper hand in this case.

Good luck to both Airbus and Boeing Big grin

Quoting DCrawley (Reply 48):
Anyways, can't wait to see all these new birds in their respective liveries!

I fully agree with you DCrawley  Smile

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