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NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:45 pm

I found a NW sched last night stuck inside a book. 1-8-84, NW had 35 departures from DTW non-stop to 11 cities, NYC-EWR included as one city with one 747 to JFK and 4 trips to EWR which includes a DC-10. Other destinations include MSP MKE ORD(only one flight from DTW) TPA GRR PIT CLE DCA BOS and PHL.
At that time, I would say Republic was the big dog at DTW.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:05 pm

I would check the AA & UA schedules for the time too.

You'll find AA and UA had many more non-stops from DTW.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:36 pm

I found airliners.net photos of big airplanes at DTW from early 1980s .... DTW 2005 not same as DTW 1984

DTW photos of old big jetliners...  old 

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:08 pm

According to TWA's February 1, 1984 timetable:

DTW 5 dailies: 1x JFK (arr 412p, for int'l flights)
4x STL (incl 2x L1011's)

According to Republic's October 28, 1984 timetable:

DTW 144 dailies: sorry, no time to break them down! Highlights:
--started service to six cities: BUF, ROC, BDL FWA, OKC, SBN.
--8x daily to ORD, 6x daily to MSP, 8x daily to MKE, 7x daily to BOS.

According to Empire Airlines December 15, 1984 timetable: 2x daily SYR

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:17 pm

did Republic ever serve PVD???
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:57 pm

I believe UA was big at DTW, PIT, BUF, and CLE in the early 80s.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:00 am

NWA was fairly large at Tampa, MSP, Milwaukee, Chicago and Seattle before the Republic merger. In fact, Northwest flew the Chicago-Florida routes that US did not in 1984. AA did not serve a single florida airport from O'Hare. Delta and Eastern also had several flights from Florida to Detroit and Chicago. I remember flying Delta nonstop from Fort Lauderdale to Detroit as late as 1990, believe it or not, after Northwest was well established with a Detroit hub.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:40 am

In October 1984, Republic didn't serve PVD. The only New England airports they served were BOS and BDL. I don't have any 1985 or 1986 RC timetables, though, they might have served PVD at some point then.

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:46 am

Thanks DCA-ROCguy! PVD was very much a poe-dunk airport then...
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:16 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Thread starter):
At that time, I would say Republic was the big dog at DTW.

Republic opened their hub in 84, so yes they were the big guys, for a short period of time.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 1:51 am

I am not sure who went where, but I dont think Republic officially established itself as a hub at DTW until later in 1984 and that just lasted two years when Northwest took over.

I remember seeing the blue goose for quite a white at DTW before that dull white scheme came out.

In the 1980s, I recall seeing these "unusual" airplanes at DTW

AA:

767-200 early 80s
767-300 late 80s
757-200 early 90s
DC-10 throughout the 80s

American Transair:

DC-10: early/mid 80s
L1011: 80s-90s and a little bit past 2000
707: early/mid 80s

Continental:

737-100 after People Express merger mid 80s
never seen a CO widebody at DTW

Delta:

767-200: 80s- 2002
767-300: late 80s-2001
L1011: throughout the 1980s till about 1998
MD-11: I actually flew on it as a sub, must have been the only one ever to land there in 1993
DC-8-70: throughout the 80s
seen pics of a DL 747 at DTW in the 70s
A310: Early 90s

Eastern:

727-100 early 80s
L1011: early 80s

Northwest:

MD-80: late 80s

Pan Am:

A310: late 80s
747-100: early/mid 80s
L1011: mid 80s

TWA:

767-200: mid 80s
L1011: early/mid 80s
707: early 80s

United:

767-200: mid 80s
767-300: late 80s- 2001
DC-10: 80s-2000
DC-8: 80s

USAir:

727: 80s, early 90s

Trans America:

DC-8: mid 80s

Total Airlines (that was the name of the company)

L1011 mid 80s



International carriers at DTW during the 80s that i recall

LOT:

Il-62

British:

L1011
747-200 (throughout the 80s before switching to 744s in the 90s, and 777/767s)
Concorde (on charter ops

Sabena:

DC-10
747 (mid 80s)

Icelandair:

DC-8 (early/mid 80s)

Alitalia:

747s (both pax and cargo mid 80s

Lufthansa

747-200, DC-10, 747 cargo mid 80s

Cargolux:

747-200 (90s)
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:04 am

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:43 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Lufthansa

747-200, DC-10, 747 cargo mid 80s

And Cargo MD11's in the 90's
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:49 am

Quoting Jetjack74 (Reply 12):
Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
Lufthansa

747-200, DC-10, 747 cargo mid 80s

And Cargo MD11's in the 90's

Metroairport.com notes:

1993 Lufthansa German Airlines initiated non-stop service to Frankfurt in May, but terminated service one year later as they signed a joint marketing agreement with United Airlines to fly out of Chicago ’s O’Hare Airport.

1998 Lufthansa German Airlines initiates new non-stop daily service to Frankfurt in March.

I don't remember seeing LH in Detroit before that. Maybe cargo, but not pax sevice
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:19 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 13):
1998 Lufthansa German Airlines initiates new non-stop daily service to Frankfurt in March.

I don't remember seeing LH in Detroit before that. Maybe cargo, but not pax sevice

Prior to this they were there only Condor was actually operating the flights as LH or for them, this lasted for a while though.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:24 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 14):
Prior to this they were there only Condor was actually operating the flights as LH or for them, this lasted for a while though.

So, as charters, but not sched pax service...am I reading that right?
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:06 am

Lets go back to the seventies early eighties- the summer charters of JAT-DC10s, Finnair-DC10s,scheduled Frontier MD80s, Jet America MD80s, American International MD80s and DC9s,Eastern A300s,Delta Convair 880s and DC10s{saw three DC-10s at Metro in March 1974, all came in one right after the other, must of been charters} Tigers- 747Fs and DC8s ,Seaboard DC8-63s, Universal DC8-63s, Air Jaimaca DC-9s,Aeromexico DC8s, ONA DC-10s,World DC-10s, Transamerica DC-8s,DC-10s,Capitol DC-8s, American Eagle 707s,Mohawk BAC1-11s,Air Atlanta 727s,Best DC9-10s,Saturn DC-8s,
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:15 am

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 5):
I believe UA was big at DTW, PIT, BUF, and CLE in the early 80s.

UA used to have a reservations center in Rocky River, OH. Back in the 1980s, CLE used to operate n/s flights to LAX and SFO. They also had 762 and DC-10 widebody service to ORD. I also flew n/s to FLL once on a three-holer from CLE. US also had a substantial 'mini-hub' at CLE before CO moved in.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:38 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 16):
Lets go back to the seventies early eighties- the summer charters of JAT-DC10s, Finnair-DC10s,scheduled Frontier MD80s, Jet America MD80s, American International MD80s and DC9s,Eastern A300s,Delta Convair 880s and DC10s{saw three DC-10s at Metro in March 1974, all came in one right after the other, must of been charters} Tigers- 747Fs and DC8s ,Seaboard DC8-63s, Universal DC8-63s, Air Jaimaca DC-9s,Aeromexico DC8s, ONA DC-10s,World DC-10s, Transamerica DC-8s,DC-10s,Capitol DC-8s, American Eagle 707s,Mohawk BAC1-11s,Air Atlanta 727s,Best DC9-10s,Saturn DC-8s,

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:47 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 10):
I dont think Republic officially established itself as a hub at DTW until later in 1984 and that just lasted two years when Northwest took over.

Maybe not a hub by today's standards, but still a major cog in the overall North Central/Republic network.

1980 DTW Departures-71 DAILIES

ATL 4X
BWI 3X
BOS 3X
CLE 9X
FNT 4X
FLL 1X
GRR 6X
IAH 2X
JXN 2X
AZO 5X
LAN 6X
MEM 1X
MKE 5X
MSP 2X
BNA 4X
MBS 4X
SRQ 2X
SYR 1X
YYZ 5X
TVC 3X
PBI 1X

1981 DTW Departures-87 DAILIES

APN 1X
ATL 4X
BWI 4X
BOS 5X
ORD 1X
CVG 2X
CLE 6X
FNT 3X
GRR 6X
IAH 2X
JXN 2X
AZO 3X
MCI 2X
LAN 8X
MKE 5X
MSP 3X
YUL 3X
MKG 1X
BNA 2X
LGA 4X
MCO 2X
MBS 4X
SRQ 1X
SBN 4X
YYZ 5X
TVC 4X

1982 DTW Departures-68 DAILIES

ATL 4X
BWI 3X
BOS 5X
CVG 2X
CLE 1X
GRR 7X
HOU 1X
AZO 1X
LAN 4X
LAX 2X
MEM 3X
MKE 5X
MSP 5X
MKG 1X
BNA 2X
LGA 5X
MCO 1X
MBS 5X
SRQ 1X
SBN 2X
TPA 1X
YYZ 5X
TVC 2X


1983 DTW Departures-82 DAILIES

ATL 4X
BWI 3X
BOS 5X
CVG 2X
CLE 1X
GRR 6X
HOU 1X
AZO 3X
MCI 2X
LAN 6X
LAX 2X
MEM 3X
MKE 6X
MSP 6X
YUL 2X
MKG 1X
BNA 2X
LGA 4X
MCO 2X
PHL 5X
PHX 1X
MBS 5X
SRQ 2X
TPA 2X
YYZ 5X
TVC 1X

1984 DTW Departures-92 DAILIES

ATL 4X
BWI 4X
BOS 6X
CVG 4X
CLE 4X
FLL 1X
GRR 5X
HOU 1X
AZO 2X
MCI 3X
LAN 5X
LAX 2X
MQT 1X
MEM 3X
MIA 1X
MKE 6X
MSP 6X
YUL 3X
BNA 1X
LGA 4X
MCO 2X
PLN 2X
PHL 5X
PHX 1X
MBS 5X
SRQ 2X
TPA 2X
YYZ 6X
DCA 1X

1985 DTW Departures-185 DAILIES

ALB 3X
ATW 2X
ATL 4X
BWI 4X
BOS 7X
BUF 4X
ORD 13X
CVG 4X
CLE 6X
CMH 2X
DFW 2X
ERI 3X
FWA 4X
GRR 5X
GRB 4X
BDL 4X
HOU 2X
IND 4X
AZO 6X
MCI 3X
LAS 1X
LAX 5X
MSN 4X
MEM 5X
MIA 1X
MKE 5X
MSP 9X
YUL 3X
BNA 3X
LGA 7X
JFK 2X
MCO 2X
PHL 6X
PHX 2X
PIT 3X
ROC 4X
MBS 5X
STL 3X
SAN 1X
SFO 4X
SRQ 3X
SEA 1X
SBN 4X
SYR 4X
YYZ 6X
DCA 1X
IAD 4X
HPN 3X

SIMMONS-43 DAILIES
APN 3X
CLE 5X
CMH 4X
FNT 7X
GRR 4X
JXN 2X
LAN 8X
MQT 2X
MBS 4X
TVC 4X

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:06 am

Good work there, Stirling. That's a lot of info. There's a lot a news there from everyone who posted. Thanks and here's more facts relating to post #1.
NW DTW 1-8-84 departures....

BOS three
ORD one
CLE one
GRR two
MKE five
MSP five including one 747 and one DC10
EWR/JFK five (see post one for more info)
PHL four
PIT two
TPA one
DCA six
I can conclude that most flights thru DTW at that time were with 727-100 and 200's.
NW had sold off their 36 707's by 1977.
The 720B's were also sold in the 70's.

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:11 am

Not only did I forget Apple, I forgot Ozark, Braniff, Midway,Piedmont , Air Florida and of course the Laker Airways DC-10s
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:31 am

Quoting Dtwclipper (Reply 15):
So, as charters, but not sched pax service...am I reading that right?

No Condor operated the flights on behalf of LH. Everything was marketed as LH only planes and flight crews were all Condor.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 11:38 am

DTW Flights from the April 24th 1983 timetable for NWA

BOS Flts 270,274,62.- 274 727-200 other two 727-100
ORD Flt 247- 727-200
CLE Flt 341 -727-200
GRR Flts 319,273 - Both 727-100
MKE Flts 702,271,375,543 -All 727-200
MSP Flts 563,7,275,51,31- fLTS 7,51 DC-10s, -31 747,others 727-200
JFK Flt 30 - 747
EWR Flts 204,418,542 - All 727-200s
PHL FLts 780,514,524,54 - 54 DC-10 -All others 727-200
PIT Flts 300,384,340 - All 727-200
Washington National Flts 316,322,320,362,370,376 - 316 727-100- all others 727-200
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:15 pm

I found this picture of NW 727-51C??? (not 727-100, am I mistaken?) 1971 photo. Location: DTW, of course. Fine scheme, almost similar to today's scheme.


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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:34 pm

I forgot about JAT at DTW. I remember seeing them as late as about 1987-88 with their DC-10

And I did leave off Condor- In the mid/late 80s I seen the DC-10, in around 1993 they were flying the 763.

In the 1990s Martinaire flew MD-11s to DTW. I remember seeing them in 1996
I also remember Rich International flying L1011s to DTW in 1996

From 1995-96 KLM had two daily flights to DTW- an earlier arrival with an MD-11, then a later one with a 744

I want to say the MD-11 came in about the time Northwest Flight 67 comes in now in early afternoon and the 744 at around 4:30

In 1997 KLM had the late afternoon 743/744, then the last AMS flight of the day KLM was bringing in 763s.

If I am not mistaken, Czech Airlines was flying IL-62s in the 70s to DTW

I remember seeing Gulf Air (american version) 727s at DTW a lot in the 80s too.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:49 am

Quoting Isitsafenow (Reply 20):
Stirling. That's a lot of info

And here's some more!

Major Players in Detroit at the end of 1983, beginning of 1984.

Daily Departures

Republic 83
Northwest 32
Delta 24
American 18
USAir 18
United 14
Eastern 9
TWA 6
Midway 5
Frontier 4
PanAm 3

Daily Departures By City

ATL 14 / EA-4,RC-5,DL-5
LGA 12 / AA-8,RC-4
MSP 12 / PA-1,NW-5,RC-6
ORD 12 / UA-6,NW-1,AA-5
PHL 12 / US-3,NW-4,RC-5
MKE 10 / NW-4,RC-6
BOS 8 / NW-3,RC-5
FNT 8 / US-8
GRR 8 / NW-2,RC-6
PIT 8 / US-5,NW-3
CLE 7 / US-5,NW-1,RC-1
DCA 7 / US-2,NW-5
CVG 6 / DL-4,RC-2
LAN 6 / RC-6
LAX 6 / UA-3,AA-1,RC-2
CMH 5 / US-5
MBS 5 / RC-5
MDW 5/ ML-5
TPA 5 / DL-2,EA-1,RC-2
YYZ 5 / RC-5
BUF 4 / UA-1,US-3
DEN 4 / UA-2,FL-2,
DFW 4 / AA-4
EWR 4 / NW-4
JFK 4 / PA-2,NW-1,TW-1
MCO 4 / DL-1,EA-1,RC-2
STL 4 / TW-4
TOL 4 / DL-2,FL-2
AZO 3 / RC-3
BWI 3 / RC-3
IND 3 / DL-3
MCI 3 /TW-1,RC-2
BNA 2 / RC-2
FLL 2 / DL-2
MIA 2 / DL-1,EA-1
SRQ 2 / RC-2
YUL 2 / RC-2
BDL 1 / US-1
CLT 1 / EA-1
FMY 1 / EA-1
HOU 1 /RC-1
IAH 1 /DL-1
LAS 1 / UA-1
MKG 1 / RC-1
PBI 1 / DL-1
PHX 1 / RC-1
ROC 1 /US-1
SFO 1 / UA-1
TVC 1 / RC-1

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:51 am

I would add NY X4 to EWR, 2X to BOS.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:09 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 25):
In the 1990s Martinaire flew MD-11s to DTW. I remember seeing them in 1996
I also remember Rich International flying L1011s to DTW in 1996

It was the lates 80's that Martinaire served DTW and it was with the DC10's
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:46 pm

Don't forget about the 1970's when BOAC operated DTW-PHL-LHR w/ SVC-10's!!!
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:00 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 23):
MSP Flts 563,7,275,51,31- fLTS 7,51 DC-10s, -31 747,others 727-200

MSP-DTW on a 747?! Those were the days, the days that will probably never return in the age of frequency...
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:06 am

Quoting San747 (Reply 30):
MSP-DTW on a 747?! Those were the days, the days that will probably never return in the age of frequency...

I remember flying the new 747-400 from DTW to MSP booked through to SFO, got to fly in the upper deck in Business as at that time NW still hold Fist class in the front of the 747 and paid economy, what a treat.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:25 am

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 31):
I remember flying the new 747-400 from DTW to MSP booked through to SFO

Lucky! When I flew MSP-DTW, we flew on a 757, with major delays due to storms at DTW... I love flying, but I hate sitting on the ground delayed. It can be hell sometimes...
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:38 am

MSP-DTW on a 747?! Got one better than that. In Aug 1972 I flew home from ORD on an American 747-100. At that time Flt 194 was the last flight of the day from ORD. I was booked standby on the 4pm 707-320 flight but got bumped, and got stuck sitting next to a highly drunken sailor heading home on leave
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:18 pm

I haven't seen it placed anywhere here, but the 1984 BA service to DTW was LHR via IAD in both directions. They did not have rights to sell IAD-DTW. If I remember correctly, it was a 747-200.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting Stirling (Reply 26):
FNT 8 / US-8

US Air flew between Flint and Detroit???? with what?

Quoting Stirling (Reply 26):
TOL 4 / DL-2,FL-2

Who was FL back then? Certainly not Air Tran

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 28):
It was the lates 80's that Martinaire served DTW and it was with the DC10's

They did around 1996 too, possibly as a charter, I don't know, but with MD-11s. I remember seeing them a couple times at DTW in summer of 1996 when I used to work around DTW. Did Martinaire have any partnership with KLM then?

Quoting Jrlander (Reply 34):
I haven't seen it placed anywhere here, but the 1984 BA service to DTW was LHR via IAD in both directions. They did not have rights to sell IAD-DTW. If I remember correctly, it was a 747-200.

I recall seeing BA rotate between L1011s and 747s in the 1980s. I also recall BA stopping in Montreal between DTW and LHR. I also recall Sabena at DTW in the mid to late 80s flying DC-10s and 747s, if I am not mistaken it was something like ORD-DTW-BRU. When I was a kid, I remember seeing the Sabena 747 take off from DTW in early afternoon around 1pm, and head west. Later that day around 6p I would see it return to DTW
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:10 pm

I remember seeing People Express flying to DTW in the 80s, but they parked in the Berry Terminal- using both 727s and 737s. Where were they flying? charters?

This US service to FNT, could that be those Allegheny Commuter flights with the CASA 212s from Fischer Bros? i remember seeing Allegheny Commuter alot before Northwest briefly had the Fischer Bros contract in the mid to late 80s after the merger (remember the Fischer Bros CASA 212 crash?
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:56 pm

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):
Who was FL back then? Certainly not Air Tran

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Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 36):
This US service to FNT, could that be those Allegheny Commuter flights with the CASA 212s from Fischer Bros?

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:12 am

Quoting NASCARAirforce (Reply 35):
They did around 1996 too, possibly as a charter, I don't know, but with MD-11s. I remember seeing them a couple times at DTW in summer of 1996 when I used to work around DTW. Did Martinaire have any partnership with KLM then?

It might have been sub service for a KLM flight? Though the charters with Martinaire ended late 80's early 90's with the company I use to work with that ran the charters.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:31 am

About USAIR EX and Fischer BRO. Aviation....yep that was it.
I flew a couple of those CASAS between those two cities

ALSO..SEPTEMBER11th's photo reply #24.....that was a QC..note the big door near the letter THW in Northwest. N488US to N499US were model 100 QC's..thats "quick change" for cargo conversation. I don't think NW every used em for cargo like BN and UA did. UA had 24 or so and BN had I think had a dozen,perhaps more. I used to unload the BN QC's at MKC in the late 60's...came through there in the early mornings...one to ICT and DAL the other to ORD.....fun summer nights, those were.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 7:42 am

I remember a 747 that was parked at the International Terminal just about every night, in the early 80's. I remember it didn't have a huge name of an airline on it, but IIRC, it was National airlines or something like that. There would often be a Pan Am 747 right next to it.

Republic was definitely big at DTW in those days. There were lots of DC9's and 727's back then.

Anyone remember the Concorde's visit to DTW? That was my first spotting experience.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:07 am

Anyone remember the Concorde's visit to DTW? Sure do. Got out to DTW about two hours before they arrived[I guess you are referring to the time BA brought in two Concordes for the Nomads] Remember the first one doing the Flyby down 3 left before it landed? Picked up the Freepress the next day and lo and behold there I was in the center of the picture shielding my eyes from the sun and looking like I was saying "DA plane DA plane" Thought it was cool that one had the old BA colors{mostly red tail} and the other the new at the time colors{mostly blue tail} A few years back where AF brought theirs in I happened to be in the Ford hanger which is next to the Nomads and had a great view of it through the visitors lounge. When it taxied for takeoff I was out on the Ford ramp with a birdseye view.Watched it as it took off from 21 left, always impressed with the steep angle of departure of the Concorde

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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:36 am

I can't remember if it was BA or AF Concordes. What were the dates of those 2 events? I think the one I was at was in 1983 or 1984.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:46 am

Quoting Dkf747 (Reply 40):
I remember a 747 that was parked at the International Terminal just about every night, in the early 80's. I remember it didn't have a huge name of an airline on it, but IIRC, it was National airlines or something like that. There would often be a Pan Am 747 right next to it.

I am not sure of the name of the carrier it most likely was a charter operator that ran flights to LAS for a tour operator named HMHF = Hamilton, Miller, Hudson and Fayne. I remember they ran LAS charters on a 747 that had dubious safety issues that were exposed on local news after a aborted take off.
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:54 am

Had to be the BA concordes as nomads chartered 5 flights in 1985 and 3 flights from AF in 1999 on may 21,22,23
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:18 pm

Ozark and Southern both served DTW starting in the mid-70's,each using DC-9's. SO had 4 nonstops to BNA with DC-9-10's, and Ozark started DTW service sometime around late 76 or early 77 with two nonstops to Peoria. Piedmont also came along sometime in the early-mid 80's
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:06 pm

The Concorde(s) came to DTW in the fall of 1985 - I was so there. Two BA Concorde arrived back-to-back - Chartered by the Nomads - Both parked side by side at the International terminal. I have pics!!!  Smile I won't bother trying to post them here because they will likely be rejected by the PICKY editors  Sad

FYI: Eastern also flew A300s DTW-MIA in the early/mid 80s. (I flew on one in 1984.)

In August 1978, United flew a scheduled 747 DTW-ORD - The flight was direct to LAX I believe. United had a nice set-up in DTW the circular corridor of the F concourse belonged to UAL in the good ol' days. Now they have those cheesy A-Gates ... blah.
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:46 am

Quoting Dtw9 (Reply 44):
Had to be the BA concordes as nomads chartered 5 flights in 1985 and 3 flights from AF in 1999 on may 21,22,23

I don't think the event I was referring to was chartered flights. It was more like an airshow, IIRC. Cars were parked and packed in on the lawn area between Goddard rd and the service road. There were hundreds of people there to see them. It could have been 1985, but I'm pretty sure it was 83 or 84. I just want to know the dates if anyone knows?
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 24, 2005 5:30 am

It was August or September 1985. Cars were parked everywhere including along I-94 on the shoulders. The service road was jammed with cars. I parked on the grass along the service road and walked up to the fence across 3L from the Berry. The first concorde to arrive did a flyby down 3L and then returned to land,followed by the second
 
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RE: NWA At DTW...January 1984

Fri Jun 24, 2005 8:49 am

Had to be August as I left for K'zoo in Sept. I was on the service road too. Walked up to the fence also. Your description sounds like what I remember.

In those days, they used to run me off, so I was surprised when a Deputy waved us in to park on the grass. Oh well thanks very much.

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