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OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Fri Jun 17, 2005 10:08 pm

"Austrian Airlines Group CEO Vagn Soerensen told ATWOnline that Austrian is evaluating adding a third destination to its long-haul network next year. Possibilities include Nagoya, Hong Kong, or even a city like Chengdu, Soerensen said. Currently, the carrier serves Beijing and Shanghai. He also said Austrian is talking with United Airlines about a possible codeshare on the Chicago-Vienna route.

source: ATWonline

hope that it will become true and UA is operating this Route
 
hoya
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Fri Jun 17, 2005 11:08 pm

I doubt whether UA will fly the route. They don't have enough planes. They just recently cancelled ORD-EZE due to lack of aircraft. Seeing OS again in ORD would be nice.
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 3:33 am

I find it odd that they OS doesn't serve ORD yet they continue services to both YUL and YYZ. Would have thought that ORD could sustain a flight profitably. Either way I'm looking forward to my first time on Austrian from YYZ-VIE-CAI.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:52 am

The thing is that OS has no Aircraft available to expand their longhoul network so they are looking for Partners esp. in Star who can take some
routes. UA and ORD makes some sense as there is the economic side and
a tourist and transfer aspect and therefore ORD is strongly on a "high priority List" for OS, although not necessarily operated by OS Aircraft.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 4:57 am

It would be *excellent* to see Austrian back at O'Hare. They pulled out in 2001 - I still miss seeing their aircraft coming in over the northeast suburbs for landing on 22L. It'd be great to see their new colors here on an A330.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:18 am

It would indeed be great to have OS fly back to Chicago or have UA fly to Vienna  Smile

Not quite sure what will happen though as they already serve 4 North American flights, and are short of aircraft as somebody has mentioned. Orders for A330/A350 (and maybe B787) will only be until next year so it will be quite some time before they are able to fly more aircraft on their long-haul network which is currently not exactly extensive.

UA on the other hand also seems to not have too many spare aircraft to operate this route so it'll be interesting to see if this route is operated again, and if so, by whom! My personal gut instinct though tells me that it will be an Asian destination rather than Chicago from the OS side. We'll see...
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:29 am

If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 5:46 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.

Zvedza... and this is coming from YOU??? Big grin  innocent 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:05 am

I've run into many passengers going to VIE that would love the non-stop again. As for now they are keeping SK, LO, LH and even AC busy with connections. I've noticed that many stick with the Star carriers although I've seen a few on BA as well as LX.
Why did OS pull out of ORD? Light pax loads?
Just watching the birds go by is good enough for me.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:12 am

Well, I did some research and OS would have one B763 unemployed in their
winter timetable.If i consider that they need only 5 out of 6 B763 in winter
it could be possible that OS is operating that Route.

But then again they wouldn`t be able to expand their Asian network next year or reinstall their KIX ops as mentioned by Austrians CEO.

Weird thing, i guess. i don´t get that puzzle together.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:13 am

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 7):

Zvedza... and this is coming from YOU???

What is that supposed to mean?  Confused
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:27 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 10):
What is that supposed to mean?

Weren't you completely anti? Or am I mixing you up with somebody else? Sorry if I did  Wink
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:09 am

What A/C would OS ever fly to Chengdu? Why would they want to fly there? Forgive my ignorance...

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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 6):
If OS and UA do decide to codeshare on ORD-VIE, then I hope OS operate the flight. The difference in quality of onboard services is remarkable. I'd rather fly OS in C than UA in F.

Is Austrians service really that good? I had heard it was getting worse, I really don't know what to expect when I fly with them this summer, I'm hoping Vienna is a nice airport.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:38 am

I don´t think that OS is going to Chendgu. Hong Kong or Guangzhou is
more one of the Destinations i can think of. And even then where the hell
would they take the necessary longhoul Aircaft ?
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:55 am

@AC787

It´s difficult to give you a neutral opinion from my side as Vienna is my Home
Aiport. Some things are good some are bad. But one thing is for sure, it´s too
small. They are working on it, but too late as it is really cramped in peak times ( and there are 4 every day, i.e. 8.00am - 10.00am, 12.00 - 1.30pm, 4pm - 6 pm., 7pm - 8pm)

VIE´s layout is calculated for 15 Mio PAX, but this year they estimate more than 16 Mio PAX, not to mention years 2006/2007 and 2008 until the new Skylink will be opened.To make a long Story short -> it will be hell until 2008 !

Regarding OS, i think everyone should have his own opinion about the Product they offer. Some like it, some don´t.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 12:48 pm

I guess my question would be.............. with WHAT A/C???
You mad Bro???
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:17 pm

Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 11):
Weren't you completely anti?

I don't think I've ever posted anything here anti-OS. I can say that I like SQ better than OS, but I like OS better than LH and LH better than UA.  Smile
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sat Jun 18, 2005 2:49 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 13):

Is Austrians service really that good? I had heard it was getting worse, I really don't know what to expect when I fly with them this summer, I'm hoping Vienna is a nice airport.

Is OS's service really that good? Really how good? Better than UA's service? In my opinion, much better. As good as SQ, CX, NH, etc? In my opinion, not even close. It's all relative and subjective.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:50 am

It's kinda sad really. ORD has lost alot of foreign airlines in recent years- Aeroflot, Singapore Airlines, Qantas, ANA, Kuwait Airways, Austrian, etc... What's the problem w/ airlines at ORD?
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 2:55 am

Who knows. I see a huge Eastern Europe > Chicago market, I think that Jat could run a 767 to ORD non-stop and fill it up (No place outside of Belgrade has more serbian people than Chicago, and yet there are ~ 200 seats to Zurich daily on Jat and Montenegro Airlines) and maybe even continue to Toronto, if they didn't want to split the flight.
AeroSvit could take the Ukrainian niche with 2 or 3 weekly ex-KBP 767s.
I could see Transaero running DME-ORD with 767s.
What now?
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:03 am

UA has 757's, why can't they do what CO does? Start European routes whit 757's. They will have to be re-configured, but that's still cheaper then getting additional planes. Btw, Can a winglet 757 do US-VIE?

KL911
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:09 am

Quoting KL911 (Reply 21):
Can a winglet 757 do US-VIE?

Maybe from EWR, but itd be pushing it I think. EWR-ZRH is doable with winglets but I think VIE might be to far. One things for sure though, ORD-VIE couldnt be done with a 75 with winglets.
 
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:12 am

Quoting AC787 (Reply 22):
Maybe from EWR, but itd be pushing it I think. EWR-ZRH is doable with winglets but I think VIE might be to far. One things for sure though, ORD-VIE couldnt be done with a 75 with winglets.

Does UA operate the 767 domestic? If they do, why can't they convert more domestic planes into International config? That's where the big bucks are..

Co seem to find planes all the time for international service within their own fleet....


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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:04 am

Quoting UN_B732 (Reply 20):
Who knows. I see a huge Eastern Europe > Chicago market, I think that Jat could run a 767 to ORD non-stop and fill it up

JAT was planning to launch service to O'Hare this summer. They got DOT approval, but they were not able to find a wet-lease carrier on time that would operate the flight for them.
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RE: OS In Talks With UA About Possible ORD-VIE Route

Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:33 am

I remember OS started flying to ORD as a codshare with SK, original routing was VIE-CPH-ORD with an A310 back in 1991. Then the airlines stopped the joint-venture and SK resumed flights to ORD with its own metal. Apart from the brief intteruption, SAS has served O'Hare since 1964.

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