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New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:47 am

Last year I read in a WSJ article that despite United's Financial troubles, that they would still keep up their pledge for a new terminal @ JFK. UA's current JFK terminal brings me back to the 1970's with almost nothing electronically displayed and even old flight monitors. Does anybody know if that is still true and if so, when it might begin construction??? Thanks in advance.
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:59 am

I don't know which terminal you are speaking of. They have operated from the award winning British Airways Terminal 7 for over a decade now. Full modernization was completed at least three years ago.
The terminal features extra large/long lounge chairs, flat screen tv monitors, duty-free shops, fountains, and lots of glass.

The new terminal to be built by UAL will be built by JetBlue. They need the space and sad for UAL--they don't.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:06 am

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:12 pm

Swank300

United, as said, has been at Terminal 7 for a while now. Terminal 7 has very modern equipment.

Airlines at Terminal 7 are:

Air Canada
United
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Iberia
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ANA
Icelandair
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:16 pm

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
They have operated from the award winning British Airways Terminal 7 for over a decade now. Full modernization was completed at least three years ago.
The terminal features extra large/long lounge chairs, flat screen tv monitors, duty-free shops, fountains, and lots of glass.

You must be kidding. I go through JFK T7 on UA several times a month - always crowded, ridiculous lines at security, small and cramped gates... what award are we talking about?

Rather, UA could make a bid for TWA's old terminal as a frontispice, and build new gates behind...
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:30 pm

Quoting IL96M (Reply 4):
You must be kidding. I go through JFK T7 on UA several times a month - always crowded, ridiculous lines at security, small and cramped gates... what award are we talking about?

That's strange, I'm a "groaner" when it comes to airport terminals and experienced the opposite of what you are describing at T7. Try Delta's T3 - they could do with some renovations.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:36 pm

How much will this all cost?.

Who is paying?.

Are they still in Chapter 11?.
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:46 am

America West also operates there at T7 abd is a Great terminal.
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 1:57 am

I would be surprised if UA built a new terminal at JFK. They currently do not use all the space they lease in the BA terminal.

BA would love to be able to recover some of the unused UA counters but UA won't budge, so, as long as they pay the rent it's theirs!

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:38 am

UA had it's own terminal at JFK for over 30 years. Why did they move out anyway?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:05 am

BA and UA had a shortlived 'relationship' and it was during this time UA moved over to T7. The relationship soured but the lease remains! This must've been in the very late '80's if memory serves me correctly.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:53 am

UA has two gates at an intermediate level between the other gates and baggage claim. They aren't as spacious as the other 10 gates (although they've got the comfy chairs). This may explain the differing opinions. Even considering gates 11 and 12, it's still my personal favorite terminal anywhere!
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:02 am

Every time I've used T7 at JFK, I've been very impressed with it. It certainly beats any of the terminals at Heathrow hands down.
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:19 am

Quoting UCLAX (Reply 11):
UA has two gates at an intermediate level between the other gates and baggage claim. They aren't as spacious as the other 10 gates (although they've got the comfy chairs). This may explain the differing opinions. Even considering gates 11 and 12, it's still my personal favorite terminal anywhere!

BA use gates 1-6 and UA use gates 7-12. The BA gates are used by all carriers except UA, and I think AC. BA would like to expand and use some of the UA gates when the BA ops are busy and UA quiet but the computer equipment isn't compatible.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:24 am

Off topic but does anyone know if Iberia and Cathay Pacfic as well as Qantas use BA gates 1-6?

And also I thought America West used gates 1-3? And maybe 4 since they took over Concorde gate.
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:34 am

Quoting AlitaliaMD11 (Reply 3):
Airlines at Terminal 7 are:

Air Canada
United
British Airways
Iberia
Cathay Pacific
ANA
Icelandair
Qantas

I assume that as One World Alliance members, Iberia, Cathay and Qantas use BAs gates and Star Alliance members Air Canada and ANA use United's gates.

Which gates do Icelandair use?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:39 am

ANA actually uses BA for its ground services, and it actually always uses gate at BA side (5/6) -- the same as CX. Iberia also uses BA's ground and uses gates over at BA side. For UA's side, only AC and UA use that gates, but sometimes when there is a lengthy delay, BA will use some of the gates over at UA side. I once saw a QF 744 at gate 8/9. For UA, with expansion on p.s., the UA side is getting busier.

Terminal seven is actually quite nice and my only complaint is that it can use a few more food outlets.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:53 am

Visually, Terminal 7 has to be one of the nicest facilities to be in, specifically in the check in lobby. The height (or lack thereof) on the concourse level itself leaves much to be desired.

I usually do at least one p.s. trip through there each month and have yet to wait in line at security for more than two minutes. Are there actually long waits for security?

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:33 am

How many flights does UA operate at JFK?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:23 am

Quoting 727LOVER (Reply 18):
How many flights does UA operate at JFK?

7x JFK-LAX
6x JFK-SFO
2x JFK-LHR
1x JFK-NRT
7x JFK-IAD (UX)

That's it.....
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:34 am

Quoting FLY777UAL (Reply 17):
Visually, Terminal 7 has to be one of the nicest facilities to be in, specifically in the check in lobby. The height (or lack thereof) on the concourse level itself leaves much to be desired.

I usually do at least one p.s. trip through there each month and have yet to wait in line at security for more than two minutes. Are there actually long waits for security?

Yes, it does look nice but there are it's bad points. Security for me was very fast. I like the waterfall with the changing colors. They whole terminal looks very nice with all the screens and colors. The gate area for me was very nice. I remember I went out of Gate 10 (2 years ago to LHR). There were comfy seats, restaurants and shops. I liked it, and coming back was ok, it was just a long white hallway, white walls, ceiling, and floor and then the customs booth.

Quoting IL96M (Reply 4):
Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 1):
They have operated from the award winning British Airways Terminal 7 for over a decade now. Full modernization was completed at least three years ago.
The terminal features extra large/long lounge chairs, flat screen tv monitors, duty-free shops, fountains, and lots of glass.

You must be kidding. I go through JFK T7 on UA several times a month - always crowded, ridiculous lines at security, small and cramped gates... what award are we talking about?

Rather, UA could make a bid for TWA's old terminal as a frontispice, and build new gates behind...

You must travel at very busy times because I went during a busy time and it was still very spacious. I guess it must have changed but I don't think it was that bad. I agree with JFKLGANYC it is what he said.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:06 pm

Random question, but I assume BA has it's own maintaince team at JFK? Are these people employees of British Airways or is it outsourced? Also, do Iberia, CX, etc use these BA employees?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:21 pm

FI, IB, NH, QF, CX use BA for passenger handling. HP uses their own staff for passenger handling. All these airlines use the BA gates. In addition to BA handling NH check-in, NH also provides translators.

BA's engineering staff at JFK are BA employees. I don't know who does the maintenance/engineering on CX and IB.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Sun Jun 19, 2005 12:22 pm

I like the UA terminal area at JFK. There's a Peet's Coffee & Tea there which surprised me since they don't have locations in NYC.
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:09 am

FI, IB, NH, QF, CX use BA for passenger handling.

So BA has foreign language speakers for the IB and CX flights?

BA's engineering staff at JFK are BA employees

And I assume they are all local Americans?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 8:17 am

Quoting WAH64D (Reply 15):
Which gates do Icelandair use?

They use gates 1 or 2.


I don't see UA going to a new terminal. They should worry about getting out of chapter 11. Anyway, why do they need a new terminal. They have very little traffic out of JFK. Not nearlly enough that they would need there own terminal.
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:26 am

Quoting Jetblue15 (Reply 25):
So BA has foreign language speakers for the IB and CX flights?

For the IB flights, yes. BA hired Spanish speakers for the IB contract. For the CX flight? No, not specifically. I think there are some Mandarin/Cantonese speakers on the CX team but it's not a requirement. Remember, although HKG hasn't been British since '97, English is still widely spoken.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 24):
BA's engineering staff at JFK are BA employees

And I assume they are all local Americans?

For the most part, yes. They are members of the IAMAW.

Regarding the gates...Gate 1 is generally a narrowbody gate so FI (757) and HP tend to use it. It's a challenge for BA to plan the volume of flights handled by BA on only 6 gates.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 11:07 am

Quoting Carfield (Reply 16):
ANA actually uses BA for its ground services,

BA does not provide ground services...Evergreen is the ground service provider, who took over from Globe Ground earlier this year...they are BTW horrible....
 
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:37 pm

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 27):
Quoting Carfield (Reply 16):
ANA actually uses BA for its ground services,

BA does not provide ground services...Evergreen is the ground service provider, who took over from Globe Ground earlier this year...they are BTW horrible

Just to avoid confusion...BA provides passenger handling for NH with NH supplementing the BA team with Japanese language speakers. Evergreen provides ramp service for BA and all carriers handled by BA.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 1:54 pm

How does BA sufficiently operate out of just 6 gates? Between them, Qantas, Cathay, and Icelenadair in the late afternoon/evening, it must get very crowded! Not to mention America West.....
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 2:01 pm

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 29):
How does BA sufficiently operate out of just 6 gates? Between them, Qantas, Cathay, and Icelenadair in the late afternoon/evening, it must get very crowded! Not to mention America West.....

It ain't easy! There's at least one BA aircraft that arrives, unloads and then is towed to a hardstand 'til it's ready for departure later in the eve. The stand (gate) planning is a well choreographed operation but when something goes off-schedule it becomes a fast moving tap dance!

Luckily, the CX flights are before and after the peak times in the terminal.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Mon Jun 20, 2005 7:35 pm

I am pretty sure Iberia uses the United maintenance center at JFK.

For CX I have no clue.

When Iberia was at Terminal 8, their check-in area as well as Finnairs was located in the Latin American/Central American area so the spanish speaking employees was no problem.
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:05 am

It ain't easy! There's at least one BA aircraft that arrives, unloads and then is towed to a hardstand 'til it's ready for departure later in the eve. The stand (gate) planning is a well choreographed operation but when something goes off-schedule it becomes a fast moving tap dance!

How many hardstands are there around T7?
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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:45 am

None...BA taxi over to T5 or to the cargo ramp.

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RE: New UA Terminal @ JFK?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 9:05 am

I noticed today that the BA crew "gave a round of applause and appreciation to the ANA employees" (over the PA) this afternoon once NH9 pushed back! A bit odd...

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