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Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sat Jun 18, 2005 6:53 pm

Move over Paris! The real news is that RR have bought a 747-200 for flight testing of the Trent 1000 and subsequent engines. There's a photo of it on their website and it looks pretty smart.

http://www.rolls-royce.com/media/showPR.jsp?PR_ID=40219
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:10 pm

Will it be transfered to UK register?.

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RE: Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:19 pm

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 1):
Will it be transfered to UK register?

Seems unlikely. RR are moving all their flight testing to a new centre in the US. Moreover, when it suits them, RR like to emphasise that they are an international or even a partly US company rather than a purely British one. And, in fairness, they are - not least after taking over Alison. The plane will be registered N787RR. Perhaps it'll be at Farnborough next year or at Paris in 2007.

GE have an old 747-100 (interestingly, with PW JT9s) as a testbed. PW don't have their own 747, do they?
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 7:43 pm

http://www.alair.com/avdata/post_gencompg2.htm

They say that TF-ATC is having a C Check and that TF-ATD has just completed a C Check.

I thought that TF-ATC was scrapped at Kemble.
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 8:53 pm

US real estate at airports is easier to come by than in the UK!

America has the benefits of plentiful, economical parking and also some nice long runways in deserted (or close to) locations, which is what you need for testing experimental engines. Flying engines on an A340 out of Toulouse isn't really ideal.

Testbeds also sit for long periods between operations, and that's a factor too.
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:30 pm

Glad to see another 742 is recovered before going to the desert!

Where is Rolls Royce's current base in the UK?

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Sat Jun 18, 2005 9:34 pm

Quoting B742 (Reply 5):
Where is Rolls Royce's current base in the UK?

Their corporate HQ is in London and they manufacture at a number of sites in the UK. Hucknall used to be where things happened but that's going back a bit... I'm not sure they really have a 'base'.

Didn't something also happen at Leavesden...?
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:17 pm

Main UK plant at Derby, also the centre of design I think for big fans like the Trent series.
 
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Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:46 pm

Not quite as unusual as the VC-10 RR used for the original RB211 testing before service entry on the TriStar in the early 1970s

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RE: Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:13 am

RR will also need to consider testing the Trent 1000 for the 787, something their Trent testbed might 'not be available for'....seeing as it's an A340 owned by Airbus!

Having their own four holer for testing is always going to be the best solution and the 742 is probably the only candidate on price and availability grounds as well as being a large, stable platform.
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Sun Jun 19, 2005 4:29 am

They are doing a conversion. Think it will entail adding a cargo door so they would be able to haul spare engines around as well as test them?
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Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:03 am

Quoting PM (Reply 2):
. PW don't have their own 747, do they

Interestingly enough when PW did the testing on the PW4000 for the 777 they used the City Of Everett, Boeing's prototype 747.

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 10):
They are doing a conversion. Think it will entail adding a cargo door so they would be able to haul spare engines around as well as test them?

The Russians are doing a lot of engine hauling at the moment, if Rolls modify a pylon on their 747 for testing then they would need to modify it back again to refit the RB211 as well as subsystems in order to shoot across the pond for transporting new engines to test.
It may be more convenient to just use existing carriers to ship engines out to the test site. Even FedEx or UPS can haul engines for airlines if needed.
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Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:10 am

Versatile creatures these 747 testbeds!


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RE: Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:14 am

Quoting AirbusA6 (Reply 12):
Versatile creatures these 747 testbeds!

There isn't anything better at the moment. The 747 can fly comfortably on 3 cans, is extremely forgiving to fly and with the four hole setup the inboard pylon is ideal for doing the testbed work.

There is also a huge amount of space for the monitoring equipment and staff which makes the job easier.
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RE: Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sun Jun 19, 2005 11:30 am

It's gonna be RR or PW powered?  Wink

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RE: Rolls-Royce Buy 747-200!

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:43 pm

Quoting AR1300 (Reply 14):
It's gonna be RR or PW powered?

It's "gonna" be RR powered - that's the point! (But the other three engines? Take a wild guess - it an old Cathay machine.)
 
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Sun Jun 19, 2005 6:51 pm

Love the tail design,

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Sun Jun 19, 2005 7:03 pm

At least Rolls got one with their own engines on it!

GE's 741 has Pratts! lol!!

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