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A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sat Jun 18, 2005 10:24 pm

I've heard some rumours that a Japanese carrier will be operating to Brussels,
does anyone have some info or is an insider?

Note that Brussels does not have a direct Japan link anymore since SN's demise.

[Edited 2005-06-18 15:26:16]
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:36 pm

The return of All Nippon Airways to Brussels seems to be a virtual certainty. A Belgian Government Delegation has recently struck a deal with the airline, according to which NH would start operations to BRU as soon an the end of this year and latest by the Spring of 2006. NH has earlier operated into BRU under a joint operation with Sabena in the late 80s and early 90s.

At the times of its demise, Sabena operated 4 weekly flights into NRT with A343. Flights were considered highly unprofitable because of the high number of Japanese tourist groups on board. It is hoped that NH will be able to attract a more viable passenger mix to its flights, which are likely to be operated with B772 equipment.
 
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sun Jun 19, 2005 3:56 pm

Well actually, that rumor came out after an official visit of Belgian officials last week in Japan (World Expo). Prince Philippe was leading that mission along with some others top Belgian politicians and economic decision makers.

There has always been a will to re-launch a Brussels-Japan link.
SN turned down that possibility as it wanted to focus on the African market, but NH has always been interested. The market is existing, IATA figures show it. But all the traffic is currently routed through FRA, AMS, LHR and CDG. Brussels is hosting some important HQs of major Japanese companies like Toyota Europe for instance. I'm more skeptic as far as JAL is concerned as they already operate from Paris and Amsterdam.

Now I'm not sure NH wants to fly with a 777 to Europe yet. The 772ER would be the perfect bird for it, but is their ETOPS ok for Siberia ??
NGO-BRU is also a possibility I've heard. Who knows...

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sun Jun 19, 2005 5:01 pm

Perhaps a NRT-BRU-MAN and v.v service would do well, to start with?
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sun Jun 19, 2005 9:59 pm

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Brussels is hosting some important HQs of major Japanese companies like Toyota Europe for instance.

Indeed, I prepare daily VIP meals (altough not much) for a Corporate jet!

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 3):
Perhaps a NRT-BRU-MAN and v.v service would do well, to start with?

SQ did the same procedure, why not!
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Sun Jun 19, 2005 10:17 pm

The DUB or MAN head station possibility was once considered by ANA but it's been dropped since then...

NH has been very cautious regarding its European network expansion. Moreover it prefered to focus on the Chinese market as well.

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Mon Jun 20, 2005 12:25 am

Hey B.T.W. , SWISSER you're not that new but it's the first time I see you posting so welcome to the forums. It's nice to have more Belgian aviation fans, especially ones that are in the business.

B.T.W. Do you know of a dedicated Belgian aviation site called www.luchtzak.be? It's a very good COMPLEMENT to this one , focusing more on local news. I go daily on both.

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:11 am

Hi guys,

thanks for all the help in the little research so-far!
I've asked things around at work and they seemed to fell out of the sky,
but it can be some good news after we lost SQ PAX in 2003!

by the way, we had a menu presentation today for a surinamian carrier (forgive me that I lost the name... vega world or something...)
anyone has info on that company?

to SAA-SAL,
yes I know luchtzak!, I will give it some more attention in the future!
And thanks for the comments!
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:08 am

Why in the world would NH want to serve BRU?
No Star Alliance connections what so ever. There are better ways to utilize precious NRT slots. NRT-ARN or MAN have better shot than BRU.
Oh and by the way NH never ever served BRU in the past. I don't think JL served BRU back in the ages.
 
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:50 pm

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 8):
Oh and by the way NH never ever served BRU in the past.

NH had a joint venture agreement with SN on the BRU-NRT route in the late 80s and early 90s. While the airline never operated the route with its own equipment, a prmitive codeshare agreement was in place, and the thrice weekly SN-operated B743 service was jointly marketed and carried the code of both carriers.
 
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:38 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 9):
NH had a joint venture agreement with SN on the BRU-NRT route in the late 80s and early 90s. While the airline never operated the route with its own equipment, a prmitive codeshare agreement was in place, and the thrice weekly SN-operated B743 service was jointly marketed and carried the code of both carriers.

It was a full code-share agreement, with some NH F/As on board during the 743 period. On rare occasions we saw NH 747 in BRU when Sabena had one or two technical problems with their own metal.

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:21 pm

One source said that negotiations are going on, another one basically said that ANA 'will' start flights to BRU. Now wich one is correct? I think the truth is somewhere in between both...

It sure would be great to see some Japanese blue over here at BRU. I can only hope these flights will indeed 'take off' and, preferably with 747-400. Then we would see Pokemon every now and then at BRU.

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:21 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 8):
Why in the world would NH want to serve BRU?
No Star Alliance connections what so ever. There are better ways to utilize precious NRT slots. NRT-ARN or MAN have better shot than BRU.

I've heard rumours that once Terminal 2 at WAW is finished (hopefully begin next year) NH would open a flight to Warsaw, being it LOT's hub (Star Alliance), BRU doesn't seem to fit into it, does it?

There are lots of tourists coming to Belgium, but would they generate enough traffic? Can't imagine Toyota will fill these planes.....

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:26 am

I think BRU should show that with plenty of room, central location, and good transport links to the rest of europe, it should create incentives for more carriers to make it a new destination.
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:38 am

Who will have the guts to base a couple longhaul liners at BRU and serve Asia decently enough without the country having to beg foreign carriers to drop by.
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:43 pm

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 14):
Who will have the guts to base a couple longhaul liners at BRU and serve Asia decently

I'm afraid that ship has long sailed...

The best BRU can possibly hope for is the appearance of Emirates. At least the BRU market's reliance on AF/KL, BA and LH and their inevitable higher fares would be over. I believe, though, that Qatar might very well beat Emirates when it comes to BRU service.
 
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:14 pm

Quoting HB-IWC (Reply 15):
The best BRU can possibly hope for is the appearance of Emirates. At least the BRU market's reliance on AF/KL, BA and LH and their inevitable higher fares would be over. I believe, though, that Qatar might very well beat Emirates when it comes to BRU service.

True, at our agnecy we sell a lot of Emirates ex-DUS..... HKG in tha range of 500 plus tax in laag seizoen....

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:41 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 8):
Why in the world would NH want to serve BRU?

Try our High speed hub in Brussels south station connected via BRU, it makes CDG fade away and why not feed your european Toyota base my friend,... lol  Wink I prepare a daily small corporate VIP flight to your precious NRT!
Maybe that slot can be sold?At BRU they are cheap as hell!
Why serve MAN? tell me!

Brussels position changed a lot since the 80's...

(we had the Opec country's and Iraq on a debat today in conference at the EU headquarters wich lasted me work from 11.00 to 23.00 today!)

I hope you spotters where able to picture them at Abelag today!
I saw the Kuwait Air force as well as condoleeza rice's 757 in a quick look at 11.00!Not to mention what I missed...
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:47 am

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 8):
No Star Alliance connections what so ever

Lufthansa
SAS
BMI
United
Austrian
LOT
TAP,
are all present to serve ANA's stars interests!
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:53 am

Quoting LO231 (Reply 12):
There are lots of tourists coming to Belgium, but would they generate enough traffic? Can't imagine Toyota will fill these planes.....

Hmm... today Toyota gets an average of 5 people each day on there flight to Japan, If ANA comes and most likely by various sources, I doubt if TMMY(Toyota flight in our system!) will continue to operate, and that is a big contract for an airline whatsoever!
Don't forget that full fare bussiness pax can make a flight already profit break even!
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:59 am

Quoting BrightCedars (Reply 14):
Who will have the guts to base a couple longhaul liners at BRU and serve Asia decently enough without the country having to beg foreign carriers to drop by.

Yeah, Lufthansa "attempted" such a move, but nothing happened eventually...
SNBA is missing a boat right now, and I hope they will act quickly!
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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:34 pm

Quoting SWISSER (Reply 17):
I hope you spotters where able to picture them at Abelag today!
I saw the Kuwait Air force as well as condoleeza rice's 757 in a quick look at 11.00!Not to mention what I missed...

Don't forget the Iraqi 762  Wink

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:38 pm

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 21):
I hope you spotters where able to picture them at Abelag today!
I saw the Kuwait Air force as well as condoleeza rice's 757 in a quick look at 11.00!Not to mention what I missed...

Any sight of LO's 767? Supposedly it is in Brussels for some repairs before flying to Warsaw for her duties on transatlantic routes. It also wears Star Aliance livery!

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:41 pm

Quoting LO231 (Reply 22):
Any sight of LO's 767? Supposedly it is in Brussels for some repairs before flying to Warsaw for her duties on transatlantic routes. It also wears Star Aliance livery!

Best regards
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Actually this one is parked right at the opposite of Abelag facilities @ Sabena Technics.

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RE: A Japanese Carrier In EBBR/BRU, Brussels Airport

Fri Jul 01, 2005 6:50 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 23):
Actually this one is parked right at the opposite of Abelag facilities @ Sabena Technics.

Do you know when it's flying to WAW?

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