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Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:18 am

http://www.forbes.com/facesinthenews...09.html?partner=yahootix&referrer=

ARGH! Why don't you use the money wasted on subsidizing agriculture to fight AIDS in Africa AND save the EU people tons of money on agricultural product purchases AND help the African economies you &#$%*& bastard!!! This man needs a donkey punch.

[Edited 2005-06-20 22:29:41]
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:27 am

Jaques seems to be loosing touch with reality...
After the disaster in Brussels last week ,another stupid idea- it's time he cultivates roses in his castle in Corèze (without EEC subsidies - please !)
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:30 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
After the disaster in Brussels last week ,another stupid idea-

This just makes my blood berrrl. With crackpot ideas like this you'd think we were talking to Idi Amin or Robert Mugabe. UGH!
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:05 am

Mr. Chirac playing the Good Samaritan on the cost of the European tax-payers and at the risk of airlines that are already struggling to survive the fierce competition.
Quite irritating and far from smart!
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:08 am

Another brilliant idea from Mr. Chirac: tax the one industry that is already hanging by a financial thread more than virtually any other! Great idea, Jacques! What will he come up with next?
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:08 am

Leave the airline business alone! World poverty won't be solved by dumping more money on it. It's time for Pres. Chirac to really give it a rest... the man at his older age is starting to act and talk like a clown.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 7:10 am

He should try keeping his mouth shut.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:27 am

This is just Mr. Chirac trying to tax Americans (who have 1/2 of world wide airlift capacity). Nothing to see here.. Move along.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:57 am

>>
ARGH! Why don't you use the money wasted on subsidizing agriculture to fight AIDS in Africa AND save the EU people tons of money on agricultural product purchases
<<

It is because if he touches those subsidies the French
farmers will eat him alive. Roughly a quarter of the CAP
money goes to France. AFAIK, it is more than those bloody
Eastern Europian nowcomers get combined.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:21 am

I know that I'm going to get flamed for this, but I don't want a single dime of mine going to this idiotic idea. There are enough taxes and facility fees on every ticket, and this is a stupid idea. If i wanted to give money to AIDS victims, then I would call up one of the hundreds of 1-800 numbers that are always on t.v. asking for cash. I don't care about these people, my tax dollars are wasted as it is. Jacques needs to concentrate on running his country, not trying to screw the flying public out of another dollar.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 9:36 am

I am in favor of it.

The logic goes

(1) that air travel is a frivolous activity,
(2) it causes enormous environmental harm, largely to Africans as their countries grow hotter.

I pretty much agree, particularly for air freight. What a waste of precious oil. Ostensibly that would be part of the overall air travel tax.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:56 am

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
(1) that air travel is a frivolous activity,

So is taxing people and using those funds to pay farmers who then sell overpriced goods to the taxpayers.

Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 10):
(2) it causes enormous environmental harm, largely to Africans as their countries grow hotter.

And this has to do with AIDS how...
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:35 am

I think Chirac wasted yet another great opportunity to shut up.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:52 am

Not to worry. Just another one of Chirac's absurd phantasies to please the masses.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:15 pm

I think it's a cheap political ploy on the part of Chirac,
taking advantage those who are suffering with AIDS.
Chirac knows this is a media issue and gets good press.
He knows its dead in the water from the start.

Chirac is one smart cookie.I'll give him that.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:47 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
I don't care about these people, my tax dollars are wasted as it is.

Thats beautiful, brings a tear to my eye... America and Europe has taken the most from the 3rd world and continues to keep an economic system that keeps them on there knees. You really think its to much to ask if a 2 dollar levy was charged on every airline ticket sold? Just imagine how much money would be raised on a yearly basis if every country issued a 2 dollar levy on an airline ticket. The west has a huge responsibility to come up with more ways of helping fight poverty: colonialism of the nineteenth and twentieth centuries is a large factor in the poverty throughout the world, the cold war was fought largely in Africa in a series of proxy wars which obliterated many of these nations, and many dictatorships have been propped up by the west to the detriment of the common people. If this plan could actually be put in place it would be a great thing, two to five dollars a ticket on every ticket issued throughout the world would bring hundreds of millions of dollars if not billions to the poorest nations in the world, so next time your sitting in a plane at 35 000 feet going on a nice trip or for business, think of the child that dies every 3 seconds in Africa and ask yourself if you could have spared and continue to spare 2-5 dollars each time you fly. I know I would be happy to do it.

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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 12:50 pm

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 11):
So is taxing people and using those funds to pay farmers who then sell overpriced goods to the taxpayers.

Ok... so you disagree with how a government spends its money on a certain issue, this validates not trying to come up with new ways to help people who are dying every day from starvation and disease how?
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:13 pm

Quoting AC787 (Reply 16):

Ok... so you disagree with how a government spends its money on a certain issue, this validates not trying to come up with new ways to help people who are dying every day from starvation and disease how?

While I agree it is a good thing to try and end poverty and disease in Africa, I don't think taxing the flying public is the way to do it. Why air travelers in the first place?

Chirac is a beaten man. His days are numbered and he probably knows it. There is absolutely no reason that 40% of the EU budget goes in agricultural subsidies, with the majority going to farmers in France. We have all heard of the vast mountains of agricultural products over produced that are then dumped on world markets at depressed prices. How does that help developing nations, especially nations in Africa? The US is no different with their agricultural subsidies.

And you know how it will end up. Another government department created, large salaries, fees to middlemen, corrupt governments. It goes on and on. BTW, of all the billions raised for the tsunami disaster, where has that money gone?
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:15 pm

Bringing it to the point, plain and simply, M Chirac is a pain in the a..
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:32 pm

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
I think it's a cheap political ploy on the part of Chirac

Well said.

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
taking advantage those who are suffering with AIDS

That's the sad part it true

Quoting Psa53 (Reply 14):
Chirac is one smart cookie.I'll give him that.

He certainly is

Quoting AC787 (Reply 15):
Thats beautiful, brings a tear to my eye... America and Europe has taken the most from the 3rd world and continues to keep an economic system that keeps them on there knees. You really think its to much to ask if a 2 dollar levy was charged on every airline ticket sold?

Well said AC787.

Let's face it, while I (I'm sorry for admitting it) actually don't 'really' mind Chirac, yet I am having more and more doubts about him, maybe, just maybe, he's genuinely looking for a way to help Aids victims, even if he gets good press from it, it's nice to see a politician looking to help people really in need. And let's face it, the majority of people flying can afford to spend an extra $2 for this excellent cause. I think I'd prefer to see 'most' governments in charge of this than some private charity organisation, as unfortunately, many of these private organisations don't always allocate our donations as we expected.

Isn't it about time governments make bigger efforts? We're destroying our environment (won't mention Mr. Bush's disgraceful stance on this), people are dying from starvation, and thousands of people are being diagnosed with aids every day. So what do YOU all think we should do about it? Just sit back, continue playing on our computers and posting on a.net, while dreaming of and planning our next airplane trip/holiday, thinking "oh, all those poor people around the world, one of these days I must donate something"... and how long it usually takes for "one of those days" to actually materialise.

Now, as a resident of France, I would possible have prefered if Chirac has duggested donating a few euros from all the taxes we pay to aids and other needs, yet I'm not sure if the French economy is in such a good state to handle that.

Ok... Ready, steady, Go..... FLAME ME!!!!!!!!
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 4:46 pm

We should pool all the money dedicated to different viruses and just cure ONE virus. Just one. So far, we can treat them, and we can try to vaccinate to prevent them, but we can't cure any viruses. If our bodies can't take care of them, they kill us.

But if we pooled all funds into curing one, rather than redundantly spreading it among many, we might find the method that then could be applied to other viruses as well.

I mean, how long have we been trying to cure the common cold virus. Let's get on that with all gusto, and once we handle that, other viruses should be easier.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:07 pm

One question: why civil aviation?

Why not expendable things such as mobile phones, ringtones, SUVs or any car with engine displacement above 2500ccm, action or porn DVDs/movie tickets, fast food meals, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.???
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:41 pm

Mr Chirac is in a VERY critical position on the French domestic political scene.

He gave this idea two months ago...

I propose to apply this levy on the much subsidised railways networks...!?

Poor Jacques... You disapoint me. Time to retire has come.

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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:45 pm

Quoting L410Turbolet (Reply 21):
One question: why civil aviation?

Why not expendable things such as mobile phones, ringtones, SUVs or any car with engine displacement above 2500ccm, action or porn DVDs/movie tickets, fast food meals, alcohol, cigarettes, etc.???

Mobility is scary to a certain part of Politicians because mobility gives people a wider horizon, so mobility must be taxed to prevent, or at least limit that. This has happened with the automobile over many years, adding add-ons to the fuel tax to pay for the environment and pensions and whatever and since low cost air fares exist, they must prevent people from using these too often.

The first reaction ofn the Greens in Germany to low cost was forbidding such low fares. They quickly found that they can't do that, so the logical answer is taxing,

Our logical answer should be to dump any politician who has no better idea than taxing people and quoting insane reasons for those taxes. Chirac still did not understand the message his voters gave him on the referendum.

As I mentioned before, he is a pain in the a... and he wil get kicked into the same.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:03 pm

Quoting Scotron11 (Reply 17):
His days are numbered and he probably knows it

But he's determined to bring europe to its knees through starting unnecessary bickering to deflect his bad showing in the recent referendum.

He is a dangerous man.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:16 pm

French politicians have managed to impose the highest taxes (local,state and provincial )on the population and de-motivated about everyone in this country.
Jacques is as responsible as the socialists who ruined the country for many years previous to the right taking over .
If the mafia-style taxation comes from the left or right is meaningless- France is going head down into a brickwall and nobody seems to worry .
The only thing all politicians are good in ,is finding new ways to squeeze even more money out of our pockets.
Political parties are worse than mafia,since they vote laws to steal our money all legally......
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:12 pm

Ok Beaucaire... well put, and after thinking about this since my post, I think you're right.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:32 pm

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 25):
The only thing all politicians are good in ,is finding new ways to squeeze even more money out of our pockets.
Political parties are worse than mafia,since they vote laws to steal our money all legally......

Are you serious? That sounds like something Hitler used to say.

It sounds like you're disillusioned with democracy. However, in France they actually just held a referendum on the EU constitution - it doesn't get much more democratic than that. Nonwithstanding that the "Non" is peculiar to say the least (what's wrong with making decision-making in the EU more efficient?).

Besides, collected taxes are used to fund the budget, polical parties don't get it...
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 8:51 pm

Quoting Joni (Reply 27):
Besides, collected taxes are used to fund the budget, polical parties don't get it...

You have to very blue-eyed to believe that politicians don't have access to collected funds via taxes....
In most countries political parties are officially funded by a legal budget based on how many voters voted for them.Those funds come from our taxes !!!
If I am dis-illusioned with democracy or not is not the point -the point is that there is no such thing as Democracy since once you vote a parliament the elected members of that parliamant are mainly involved in preparing their re-election.
Owning property or taking on a heritage in our "democratic " counties is tied to massive politically installed robbery called "property tax" or "heritage taxes" ,putting many owners in the delicate position to have to sell part of their property in order to access a family-heritage or pay land-taxes.It is absolutely ridicoulous to see the amount of taxes swallowed by our parties under the pretext they serve the populations interests -once you know how politics work ,you just can't accept any longer their self-service mentatilty.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Tue Jun 21, 2005 10:02 pm

Just a couple of article links that discuss various taxes, airlines/passengers are subjected too. $1.00 per ticket in the grand scheme of things is not much to pay. There are taxes on hotel rooms, rental cars, etc., that state and local governments in the US impose on travelers, that could also be brought into question. Especially with the usage of the funds collected.

Governments "see us as profit centers, not as a catalyst for economic growth," he said, adding: "In the United States, taxes on a $200 ticket average 26 percent. This is a $15 billion rip-off."

His suggestions include increasing the air passenger duty airport departure tax, imposing VAT on air tickets, abolishing duty-free sales and ending the planning system to discourage airport expansion.

UAL asks Illinois to help ease fuel tax burden
Can I get a cap placed on the amount taxes I pay on fuel?
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:14 am

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 22):
I propose to apply this levy on the much subsidised railways networks...!?

I agree. And I also propose that someone hit him with a whiffle bat.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:44 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 28):
You have to very blue-eyed to believe that politicians don't have access to collected funds via taxes....
In most countries political parties are officially funded by a legal budget based on how many voters voted for them.Those funds come from our taxes !!!

Those party funds represent perhaps 0.01% of collected taxes and are necessary to ensure that even marginal parties get at least some access to the media, etc.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 28):
Owning property or taking on a heritage in our "democratic " counties is tied to massive politically installed robbery called "property tax" or "heritage taxes" ,putting many owners in the delicate position to have to sell part of their property in order to access a family-heritage or pay land-taxes

Taxes on inheritances are essential, since otherwise in capitalistic systems all the wealth tends to concentrate in the hands of very few people, who would then (without inheritance taxes) form a hereditary aristocracy in that society. As in feudal times, the lot of the overwhelming majority of the population would be dismal in that case as they would be reduced to complete depencence and subservience to this aristocracy.

Anyhow, the one-euro tax on airline tickets is small change and shouldn't hurt anyone. In fact I'd be all for much steeper taxes on flying to fund subsidies for alternative fuel research. For example, ten euros per ticket.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:45 am

Quoting AC787 (Reply 15):
America and Europe has taken the most from the 3rd world and continues to keep an economic system that keeps them on there knees.

Excuse me? Excuse me? Please expound, by all means. Last time I looked, many of the Western nations have doled out relief, absolved their debt, sent food, medicine, trained doctors, professionals, missionaries, you name it to help the abysmal sewer of much of Africa get it's collective head out of its ass. At what point do these people revolt against dictatorships that starve them and help THEMSELVES? I won't play the "white man's guilt" on this one. Screw that shit.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 15):
The west has a huge responsibility to come up with more ways of helping fight poverty:

And much of it has. When bureaucracy and politics hasn't ruined it. You tell me why most of the relief never hits those it's intended to help. You tell me what ELSE needs to be done. And then go call the UN, because while they and many nations are far too ready to get involved in affairs they don't belong in, they turn their head when Rwandans and other Africans are being genocidally slaughtered. Blame colonialism all you want, but without SOME of that colonialism, they'd really be in the dark ages.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 15):
I know I would be happy to do it.

Then take your happy ass over there, or donate money. Don't shake me down involuntarily to help some people when I have plenty of miserable morons to "help" here.

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 25):
France is going head down into a brickwall and nobody seems to worry .

Sadly, yes. And Chirac is playing the fiddle while Rome burns, so to speak. More rantings of a desperate lunatic whose own people are getting passed by the rest of the world who is willing to work 40+ hours a week, be more productive, resourceful and capitalistic.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
And I also propose that someone hit him with a whiffle bat.

I'd love to smack that dude with a freaking aluminum bat.

Sorry for the rant- that whole poverty guilt trip bullshit won't wash anymore.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 2:49 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 9):
I don't care about these people

But just let someone say they don't care about what happened on 9-11....hypocrite.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:17 am

>>
Sadly, yes. And Chirac is playing the fiddle while Rome burns, so to speak. More rantings of a desperate lunatic whose own people are getting passed by the rest of the world who is willing to work 40+ hours a week, be more productive, resourceful and capitalistic.

Quoting MaverickM11 (Reply 30):
And I also propose that someone hit him with a whiffle bat.

I'd love to smack that dude with a freaking aluminum bat.
<<

While I agree that there should be a lot of change in
Europe, let us not overact the Chirac bashing.
While I do not particularly like him I still prefer him
over the "desperate lunatic" of your side of the pond
or Tony Bliar as a matter of fact.

They have already pumped hundreds of billions into
a war with at least "dubious" outcome, a small portion
of which could perhaps make the "taxing of airtickets"
unnecessay.

Speaking of wasting money, the EU could not agree on its
own budget, but soon (this week?) will host a "donor
conference" where it will waste millions on pointless war.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:26 am

Why doesn't he just tell people to stop sleeping around or to wear a condom or to just stop having sex. Is the ailing airline industry such a golden goose?
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 5:35 am

To Aerofan-

Sorry! You can tax the hell out of me.
But I'm not stopping sex!
Who wants to volunteer first?(LOL)

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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:01 am

I am just suprised that Chirac has not proposed a several euro tax on the act of copulation. He wants to tax everything else that moves.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:30 am

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
Excuse me? Excuse me? Please expound, by all means. Last time I looked, many of the Western nations have doled out relief, absolved their debt, sent food, medicine, trained doctors, professionals, missionaries, you name it to help the abysmal sewer of much of Africa get it's collective head out of its ass.

You are right, western nations have given much relief and spent lots of money, but when you compare it to the GDP of these richest nations of the world it barely crackes 0.2 percent. I believe the number is closer to 0.1% when it comes to America. So it might look like a big number when you just say how much is being spent, but in reality its really just the tip of the iceberg.

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
Then take your happy ass over there, or donate money. Don't shake me down involuntarily to help some people when I have plenty of miserable morons to "help" here.

I do donate money and sadly with univ I dont have the time to volunteer to help out. Its nice to see how you feel about those people who are less fortunate then you are, that usually tells alot about the moral makeup of a person... Ignorance is bliss as it obviously is for you.

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
At what point do these people revolt against dictatorships that starve them and help THEMSELVES? I won't play the "white man's guilt" on this one. Screw that shit.

Well when your focusing on simply surviving its a little hard to overturn dictators which have control over the army, police, and have support from your government and many other western ones. If you would look at history for just a second you might see that the US has backed many many many dictatorships in the last century and they do have a responsibility to these countries now. If you want examples of this you simple have to look at Indonesia with Suharto, Chile with Pinochet, and many african nations.

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
Blame colonialism all you want, but without SOME of that colonialism, they'd really be in the dark ages.

The ends don't justify the means especially in the case of colonialism. If you would study it just a little you'd see the horrendous things that were done. The goal of colonialism wasn't to help the peoples of the countries in question but to use them for economic growth in the home country, nothing more and nothign less. The moral arguement was simply used to let the people back home feel good... kind of like why the US went to Iraq, to liberate the people!... give me a break.

Back on topic, I'm not advocating taxing air tickets, but the discussion of finding new ways to help the poorest countries in the world. 2-5 dollars a ticket would do a great deal to alleviate the suffering in the poor nations of the world and wouldn't be a detriment to about 99% of the flying public. Here in Canada I already pay an insane amount of taxes on my plane tickets(100-150$) and am sure the government could lower that insane premium slightly and use the money to aid the poor. It makes me sad to see people getting so angry at Chirac and simply dismissing the idea because they hate the politician. And it makes me even sadder to see people refer to those less fortunate then themselves in such a derogatory manner, the world really needs more compassion, especially from those of us who are lucky not to have to worry about things such as food,shelter, and disease.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:55 am

>>
>
Excuse me? Excuse me? Please expound, by all means. Last time I looked, many of the Western nations have doled out relief, absolved their debt, sent food, medicine, trained doctors, professionals, missionaries, you name it to help the abysmal sewer of much of Africa get it's collective head out of its ass.
>

You are right, western nations have given much relief and spent lots of money, but when you compare it to the GDP of these richest nations of the world it barely crackes 0.2 percent. I believe the number is closer to 0.1% when it comes to America.
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I read somewhere that the developing world pays more
in debt services than it receives in the form of reliefs.
So, overall, when everything is counted the capita flows
FROM the 3rd world TO the Western countries. I guess
this is all that needs to be said.

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US has backed many many many dictatorships in the last century and they do have a responsibility to these countries now. If you want examples of this you simple have to look at Indonesia with Suharto, Chile with Pinochet, and many african nations.
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Just go back a month and make a search on Kirgizistan.
There were hundreds or perhaps thousands of
demonstrator gunned down by the police (we do not
know exactly because journalist were not allowed
to the area).
Do you see Condi Rice running around and demanding independent inquiry? Nope, there are US bases in that
country!
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:54 am

Quoting Magyar (Reply 39):
I read somewhere that the developing world pays more
in debt services than it receives in the form of reliefs.
So, overall, when everything is counted the capita flows
FROM the 3rd world TO the Western countries. I guess
this is all that needs to be said.

Very good point, the economic system in place rlly does tie the hands of many poor nations. They recently announced the anulling of debt to some of thoe nations but thats rlly only the tip of the iceberg. We need to come up with more ways to raise money and a small levy on airline tickets is one possibility that might work.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:05 am

Quoting Andz (Reply 33):
But just let someone say they don't care about what happened on 9-11....hypocrite

9/11 and a tax to flight AIDS are nothing alike. After 9/11 President Bush didn't say "World, all of you who fly should have to pay an extra tax so that we can help the victims of 9/11." And if you think back, there were many pictures of celebrations in Arab countries over the attacks on 9/11. So in fact there were people who didn't care what happened on 9/11. You don't see any "Yeah You Have AIDS" rallies, the people who want to give do. If I don't want to give to the AIDS victims, then why should I have to?
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Wed Jun 22, 2005 4:38 pm

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 41):
9/11 and a tax to flight AIDS are nothing alike. After 9/11 President Bush didn't say "World, all of you who fly should have to pay an extra tax so that we can help the victims of 9/11." And if you think back, there were many pictures of celebrations in Arab countries over the attacks on 9/11. So in fact there were people who didn't care what happened on 9/11. You don't see any "Yeah You Have AIDS" rallies, the people who want to give do. If I don't want to give to the AIDS victims, then why should I have to?

And Americans wonder why the world hates them sometimes...
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:49 am

Quoting AC787 (Reply 38):
Its nice to see how you feel about those people who are less fortunate then you are, that usually tells alot about the moral makeup of a person... Ignorance is bliss as it obviously is for you.

You don't know me, nor what I do. I'm a regular charitable contributor, member of a few civic organizations, I donate time and money in volunteer efforts to charitable foundations which include Special Olympics, Easter Seals, United Way, and Big Brothers/Big Sisters. While the pie in the sky hand-wringing liberals are talking about saving the world, I've got my boots on the ground in my community actually DOING it. Don't mistake my priorities with contempt for those less fortunate.

Quoting AC787 (Reply 38):
Here in Canada I already pay an insane amount of taxes on my plane tickets(100-150$) and am sure the government could lower that insane premium slightly and use the money to aid the poor. It makes me sad to see people getting so angry at Chirac and simply dismissing the idea because they hate the politician.

I dislike Chirac, but make no mistake: I do in fact hate the idea. And all you're advocating with your own Canadian example is more involuntary redistribution of wealth and income.

Quoting Magyar (Reply 39):
I guess
this is all that needs to be said.

Actually, no it's not since their debt was absolved!
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:07 am

I'm not dismissing the idea because I hate chirac. i'm dismissing it because i think that it's a stupid idea! I think that the tax should come from people who buy cigerattes and cars. Better yet, I think that the funds should come for a tax imposed on cell fone users
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:18 am

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 41):
9/11 and a tax to flight AIDS are nothing alike. After 9/11 President Bush didn't say "World, all of you who fly should have to pay an extra tax so that we can help the victims of 9/11." And if you think back, there were many pictures of celebrations in Arab countries over the attacks on 9/11. So in fact there were people who didn't care what happened on 9/11. You don't see any "Yeah You Have AIDS" rallies, the people who want to give do. If I don't want to give to the AIDS victims, then why should I have to?

I don't agree with the tax, it was the "I don't care" attitude I was objecting to.

Quoting Slider (Reply 32):
the abysmal sewer of much of Africa

Pretty slick assessment there.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:19 am

Better idea Jacques...why don't you tax 10% of the value of every A380 that's sold. You might get enough to buy your lunch.
That which does not kill me makes me stronger.
 
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:22 am

i think we should tax Airbus vs Boeing threads.
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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:31 am

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 1):
Jaques seems to be loosing touch with reality...
After the disaster in Brussels last week ,another stupid idea- it's time he cultivates roses in his castle in Corèze

Yes, and Mr. Schröder should lelp him. There are rumors he's looking for a new job starting in September  devil 

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RE: Chirac Seeks Levy On Air Tickets To Fight Aids

Thu Jun 23, 2005 1:37 pm

Perhaps President Chirac should contribute one Euro each time he, his fellow politicians and his fellow citizens pops a bottle of French wine, purchase a bottle of wonderful perfume, light a cigar, dine in a restaurant, take a cruise, board a train etc.

If this tax goes through, what will the air traveller be paying for next? I fully support the whole world working in unison to bring relief to AIDS sufferers and work on the education needed to prevent AIDS in the first place. There must surely be other means to finance such work.

Has President Chirac considered buying one Mirage 2000 less for each air force unit? Firing a missile less during each exercise? Buying fewer tanks or corvettes? Perhaps the whole world should cut back military expenses by one percent each year and donate this to the AIDS cause.

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