BigGSFO
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NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:20 am

I am surprised this hasn't been discussed yet:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050621/cgtu047.html?.v=15

NW to expand within Asia by linking Guam and Saipan with Osaka and Nagoya with 752's.

The only transpacific flights are from DTW (KIX and NGO) and HNL (KIX only)...so obviously they are going after O&D. Thoughts?
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:56 am

In the past NW served SEA-KIX .... would be nice if they could bring it back !
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:02 am

I wish they would serve CEB with B757's.

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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 7:20 am

Quoting BigGSFO (Thread starter):
I am surprised this hasn't been discussed yet:

It is, in a way, here:  Smile
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 8:28 am

This is largely due to cut backs at JL.
They may up gauge the KIX-HNL from DC-10 to 742 as JL is cutting a daily flight on the route this winter.
Perhaps NW can re-start HNL-FUK too. (I believe this was served before)
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:02 am

Will NW ever return to KHH, even A320s or 757s?
Scotty doesn't know...
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:08 pm

Quoting KL808 (Reply 2):
I wish they would serve CEB with B757's.

Gah you beated me to it, KL808!!!!! :P
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:37 pm

Wow! NGO-GUM!

CO and JL have NGO-GUM is it that much in demand?
CO is twice daily.

That would make it 6 flights a day to GUM...will it sustain?
I want NW to start offering NGO-HKG to break CX hold on it and lower the price. Can cost me as much to go to HKG from NGO direct as it does to fly to ORD from NGO.
Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:48 pm

Centrair,
Chances are JL will drop NGO-GUM altogether or at least reduce the frequencies.

Interesting that NW doesn't schedule any of the new routes that enables connection to the US.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:59 pm

Centrair,
Chances are JL will drop NGO-GUM altogether or at least reduce the frequencies.

Interesting that NW doesn't schedule any of the new routes that enables connection to the US.


JAL is discontinuing NGO-GUM, Shutting down the SPN station SPN-NGO Conects with NGO-DTW and SPN-NGO-NRT to SEA/PDX and other US Dest...

Glad NW has steped up to be the Largest Carrier to SPN 747 X1 757 X2
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:32 pm

Wonder if they will do DTW-HKG one day
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:36 pm

THe new flights appear to mirror the NRT-GUM/SPN flights with the beach market 742s to capture the O&D markets. That's why they're not timed for the interport or US bound departures. NWA can sell tickets on CO for these passengers.


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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:24 am

Quoting United Airline (Reply 21):
Wonder if they will do DTW-HKG one day

Supposidly next year, NW will likely offer direct US-China service, most likely to Beijing then maybe back to hong kong.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:32 am

I was just thinking, if NWA was to offer service from Mumbai to Japan on a DC10 then it would be possible to fly completely around the world on a DC10. I know all the DC10 lovers would find that very cool.....

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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:10 am

I must congratulate NW. "Why?" you ask. NW is trying to increase the productivity of all those 756s that it has stationed over there in Asia. Now most Japanese based aircraft basically leave their Japanese base at suppertime and overnight at a beyond Asian airport and return the next morning. They sit on the ground in Japan for the majority of the morning and afternoon. The new NGO-GUM flight tries to increase the flight time of one bird. The two roundtrips from KIX will move one 756 from US "Mainland" domestic service to Micronesia-Japan service.

Good job NW.

Now, if "Red Eye" flights can invade Asia, their will be more productivity for NW in Asia.
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:39 am

NWA appears to be adding 2 757s to the interport market for a total of 5 starting November 1.

1 - NRT-PUS-NRT
2 - NRT-CAN-NRT
3 - NRT-NGO-SPN-NGO-NRT
4- SPN-KIX-GUM-KIX-SPN
5 - NGO-GUM

Good utilization is seen best with a/c #4 flying 19 hours of the day only resting really for 5 hours in SPN. The worst utilization has to be on the PUS section where it sits 15 hours in PUS and then about 4 in NRT. Too bad NWA can't use that 757 for another round trip somewhere. Maybe they could use that a/c for a KIX-NRT-PUS and return to use the a/c more and to provide KIX passengers with access to the NRT hub. Hopefully s we'll see CAn upgaged to a 332 and more beach market flights to Hawaii to pick up where JAL is leaving a void.


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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 2:48 am

would be good to see NWA return to Kuala Lumpur. I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:19 am

MAS777,

Please tell me more about how well NW was doing to KL. As I recall, it was onlly four days per week. I would love to see them return.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 6:44 am

I remember seeing the beautiful NW DC10 in a Kuala Lumpur airport video by Airutopia.com! I had no idea they served KL until i saw this.

911 made this route unprofitable with the DC10 being too big - but NW does I believe code-share with MH on this route now.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:55 am

I believe the 330-200 could make DTW-PEK and DTW PVG maybe, I think the 330-200 doesn't have the range to do DTW-HKG.
This could at least be a stop gap until the 787-8 arrive.
 
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:07 am

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 16):
I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.

The KUL route performed poorly, and was finally axed on account of KUL's sky-high airport costs.
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:15 am

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 16):
would be good to see NWA return to Kuala Lumpur. I gather they were doing quite well pre-9/11.

No they were not. The flight ended in September 2001, but it was announced that it was ending back on 10 May 2001, well before 9.11 affected air travel
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RE: NW Announces New Asian Routes

Thu Jun 23, 2005 8:40 pm

Interesting, I gathered that NWA was planning to boost their services to KUL following anti-trust immunity with MAS, which was granted shortly before 9/11. MAS and NWA had announced that there were plans to extend code-share services between KUL and TPE, NRT, NGO and KIX with onward connections to US cities. MAS was also to become a feeder airline for flights between Southeast Asian points and KUL to connect on to NWA flights bound for the US.

MAH4546 - also odd as I remember NWA had announced that they were evaluating plans to operate smaller aircraft (757/A320) on the KUL-KIX/NGO/NRT routes (as part of the anti-immunity trust) about the same time as you mentioned they planned to pull out.

Somehow, after 9/11, nothing more was heard of this and NWA planes also disappeared off the tarmac at KUL.

NWA currently code-shares on KLMs daily 744 service between AMS and KUL.

(btw Avek00 - Kuala Lumpur has perhaps one of the cheapest landing and operational fees in the region)

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