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AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:39 pm

Since last November, FL regretably, IMHO, followed everyone else's (at least among domestic carriers) lead in terms of discontinuing its printed timetable booklets. However, to date, they do not have an electronic timetable (a pdf file) on their web site as of yet; unless it's hidden through a bunch link mazes. I don't think that's the case here.

The fact that an electronic substitute is still not available yet; a couple questions are warranted:

1. Will FL consider bringing back its quarterly timetable booklets, like WN did earlier this year?

2. When (if ever) will a pdf version (although I personally prefer the booklets) of their timetable be available?

If the issue behind discontinuing the booklets was due to cost; FL could either reduce the number of copies made and/or use newsprint for its pages instead of the gloss paper. Past DL & US along with the current WN booklets use newsprint for its pages.

To my knowledge, FL is presently the only carrier that offers neither version of its timetable.

Any thoughts or insights?
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:48 pm

Hi,

There is an AirTran PDF timetable here :

http://www.airtran.com/info/wireless/AirTran1.pdf

I couldn't find the link by browsing through their website.

I don't know if those are the latest schedules though (no validity dates given).

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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:58 pm

Thanks for the link.

However, the timetable appears to be from last November. As a test, I looked up PHL-BOS flights and only saw 3 listings. There are now 4 or 5 PHL-BOS flights; the 5th one being added will (or has) coincide with the new RIC-PHL service.

Quoting BrusselsSouth (Reply 1):
I couldn't find the link by browsing through their website.

A supplement or modification to my second question from my original post would be:

When will FL update their electronic timetable (are quarterly updates out the window now?) and why is it not easily accessible from their website?
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:46 pm

I can't believe AirTran has dropped the printed timetable. Once again the bottom line takes precedence over passenger convenience.

Granted, I'm a timetable collector, and I think printed timetables are neat. They shouldn't print them just to please me alone.  Smile But I've always found PDF timetables to be huge and clumsy and slow to load, and God help you if you need to print it.

Over in Europe, where PCs are almost as common as they are here, just about everyone (KLM, SAS and Aer Lingus notwithstanding) still offers a printed timetable. If you travel on business and need to look up flights, it's much, much easier.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:52 pm

AA started this trend in the late 90s and it proved to be a bust, thus they reinstituted a printed timetable in 2000. Now everyone in the US forces us afficianados to print timetables on our computer wasting lots of paper, and not having the ability to travel lightly and look up flights.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:03 am

That PDF timetable is from Nov. 04. You can see that all SRQ routes have yet to start. FL used to update their PDF timetables quite frequently, but it looks like they have dropped it. I am an avid timetable collector, and I am very disappointed to see FL join so many others in dropping printed timetables.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:06 am

....and they don't need to print every flight, with every alliance and codeshare partner, with every possible connection...UA's was as big as a tech manual.
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Nonstop and Direct flights on your METAL, that's all we want!

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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:18 am

I have also noticed that the airtran PDF timetable on airtran.com is outdated. I think they just noticed this and the old PDF timetable isn't available for download anymore. (No PDF timetable is) hopefully they're working on it.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:42 am

Stirling -

Exactly. I look at United's timetables from 1990 through 2001 and suddenly it doesn't seem as strange that they've gone bankrupt. Those timetables were ENORMOUS.

In 2001 they switched to a much slimmer format that was great (American, US Airways and Delta also adopted the trimmed-down timetables). They got axed completely after 9/11. American kept printing them until 2002 and Delta hung in there until last October. Now nobody prints them except Southwest, and I'm not even sure they've put a new one out recently.

Lots of foreign carriers still print the giant tech manuals - Emirates' timetables are huge. Iberia, Air France, South African and Singapore Airlines still print massive timetables too.

Hell, even mom-and-pop shops like Belavia, Uzbekistan Airlines and Lithuanian Airlines still print timetables. Would it kill American, Northwest, et al to bring them back in a slim, easy-to-read form?
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 3:47 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 8):
In 2001 they switched to a much slimmer format that was great (American, US Airways and Delta also adopted the trimmed-down timetables). They got axed completely after 9/11. American kept printing them until 2002 and Delta hung in there until last October. Now nobody prints them except Southwest, and I'm not even sure they've put a new one out recently.

WN just came out with a new one earlier this month; the logo on the front cover has a red background on it.

To my knowledge, US' last printed timetable booklet was in Dec. 2001. NW had one until mid 2002 and TZ had a printed timetable booklet early last year.
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:00 am

That FL timetable is outdated. It doesn't list the IND service which started in April.
Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:47 am

Whoops, posted my message twice.

To the best of my knowlege, the last printed timetables for most of these carriers were as follows:

American - Summer 2002
Delta - October 2004
Continental - September 2001
United - September 2001
US Airways - December 2001
Northwest - March 2002
AirTran - November 2004
ATA - Spring 2004
JetBlue - sometime in 2001, I believe
Frontier - September 2001
Alaska - September 2001
Hawaiian - Summer 2002
Aloha - not sure; they might still be printing them
Air Canada - late 2000, I believe

Pretty grim that only Southwest is still publishing them.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 4:58 am

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 12):
Northwest - March 2002

NW's last booklet might've been in the 3rd quarter of 2002, I will verify this since I have their last timetable at home.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 12):
Pretty grim that only Southwest is still publishing them.

As an experiment, WN did not publish a timetable for the fourth quarter of 2004. I guess enough people protested and WN answered with a Jan. 2005 booklet.

Maybe similar pressure can be placed on FL.

I am surprised that no AirTran a.netters (and there are a few of them out there) have yet chimed in on this thread.
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:34 pm

I have the timetable downloaded into my Palm handheld. It updates everytime I sync with my PC. More and more people, especially business-types, are getting handhelds everyday. I think AirTran was cutting-edge on this one. The printed timetables were usually outdated the minute they came out and caused a lot of confusion.
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 9:53 pm

FL's last timetable even ran an ad on the back saying that the book in your hand is an endangered species, go to www.airtran.com for future timetables.
 
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 10:35 pm

Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 14):
FL's last timetable even ran an ad on the back saying that the book in your hand is an endangered species, go to www.airtran.com for future timetables.

Old news, most of us already knew that. The point I was trying to convey in this thread is that there is no current timetable that is easily accessable from their website.

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 12):
Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 12):
Northwest - March 2002

NW's last booklet might've been in the 3rd quarter of 2002, I will verify this since I have their last timetable at home.

Assuming that the NW timetable booklet I had is indeed their final one, their last booklet was dated June of 2002.
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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:07 pm

Here is my collection of Palm OS flight schedule links:

http://www.wiscomm.com/palmflightschedules.htm

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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:45 am

For those of us who collect timetables it was another sad loss.

At least Southwest brought them back, our passengers as well as employees raised a ruckus and back they came earlier this year.

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RE: AirTran Timetables: Where Are They?

Fri Jun 24, 2005 1:50 am

Quoting PHLBOS (Thread starter):
Since last November, FL regretably, IMHO, followed everyone else's (at least among domestic carriers) lead in terms of discontinuing its printed timetable booklets.

WN and AA still print timetables. AA's are rare, by design, but are again available.

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 8):
Now nobody prints them except Southwest, and I'm not even sure they've put a new one out recently.

They brought their's back at least 1 quarter ago
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