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Quoting Aerofan (Reply 5): What I would like to see is airlines stop giving full miles to those pax travelling on corporate discounts. |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Thread starter): If someone flies FREQUENTLY on paid first, business or unrestricted economy fares, they should, over time, be recognized for their loyalty. |
Quoting Geoffm (Reply 1): Jetdeltamsy, are you a frequent flyer who pays big bucks to DL every year? No. I'm a flight attendant (who is hoping to RETIRE someday from a company that still exists). [quote=Aa757first,reply=3]That is a minimum of $3,540 of revenue in one year, and that is a pretty cheap segment. So would US Airways rather have $944 in revenue from me and have the rest of it go to AirTran and American, or keep me. |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Thread starter): I think that frequent flier status levels and rewards should be based on the amount of cash an individual (or company) generates for the airline. The vast majority of people who have frequent flyer accounts are out there flying on deeply discounted (below cost) fares. If someone flies FREQUENTLY on paid first, business or unrestricted economy fares, they should, over time, be recognized for their loyalty. But if the airline is actually losing money on most of the tickets these people are flying on, it just doesn't make sense to me to reward them with upgrades and free seats. |
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 12): FBG- So what if the guy flying is pissed. |
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 12): He did not pay for the ticket. His corporation determines what carrier he flies and what class he gets pissed that he doesn't get the miles? So who cares? |
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 12): FBG- So what if the guy flying is pissed. He is pissed because he is getting something for nothing?? Isn't that the entitlement mentality? He did not pay for the ticket. His corporation determines what carrier he flies and what class he gets pissed that he doesn't get the miles? So who cares? |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 9): What??????? Fyi young fellow...$3,540 in revenue over a 12 month period is totally insignificant. That's exactly the kind of frequent flyer i'm talking about. |
Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 16): Personally I think the best FF programme for airlines is the Air NZ programme. They convert "points" to "dollars" and those dollars can be used to access any seat on any flight. You can't beat redemption like that! Naturally, if you don't have enough dollars in your account, you can't get a seat. More importantly the airlines' liability is reduced as each trasaction can be recorded as cash. The earning of dollars is directly related to fare paid too, with many cheaper fares not qualifying for benefits. |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 9): What??????? Fyi young fellow...$3,540 in revenue over a 12 month period is totally insignificant. That's exactly the kind of frequent flyer i'm talking about. |
Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 20): The terms dollars is smoke and mirrors as you can't cash them in and get cash back. |
Quoting Aerofan (Reply 27): The airline should differentiate between the corporates who travel on 45-50% discounted ticket and those pax who pay full fare. If this is not obvious to you well -well what more can I say |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Thread starter): If someone flies FREQUENTLY on paid first, business or unrestricted economy fares, they should, over time, be recognized for their loyalty. But if the airline is actually losing money on most of the tickets these people are flying on, it just doesn't make sense to me to reward them with upgrades and free seats. |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Thread starter): But if the airline is actually losing money on most of the tickets these people are flying on, it just doesn't make sense to me to reward them with upgrades and free seats. |
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26): yet the programs still reward the cheapskate but LOYAL flyer, as their low margin ticket is still filling the off-hour flights and have value. |
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 29): The frequent flyer programs for the airlines are money makers. There are numerous programs in place that people can generate points, not just flying with the airlines, such as hotel agreements & rental car partnerships |
Quoting MidnightMike (Reply 29): maybe 5% - 10% of their seats for frequent flyer members |
Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Thread starter): I think that frequent flier status levels and rewards should be based on the amount of cash an individual (or company) generates for the airline. |
Quoting FlyAUA (Reply 13): On Star Alliance flights, the mileage system was chaged (about 1 or 2 months ago???) to do exactly what you describe. The cheaper your fare, the less miles you get. While it sucks, I understand it and support them fully! |
Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 26): As for this "penalize discount fares" argument, it is already done at most carriers |
Quoting Trolley Dolley (Reply 16): Trolley Dolley |
Quoting N77014 (Reply 35): The data collected by carriers about the habits of their best customers alone make keeping FF programs worth it. |
Quoting YYZYYT (Reply 38): Aeroplan has always done this... at present the cheapest fares count for reward accumulation (but at a discounted rate) but do not count for status accumulation at all. |
Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 42): One problem for airlines is that the unclaimed points can be an accounting liability and all airlines have unclaimed points values in the equivilent of millions of tickets. I also think they should limit and be more careful in thier ads for these plans, such as suggesting that everyone will be able to get a free FF flights, 1st class LAX or JFK or ORD to HON. They should also limit the points one can get via affinity credit cards, hotels, car rentals in a given year or multi year period. |
Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6): While the company may be happy they are paying less you are pissing off the guy riding the fare no end by not giving him any miles! |
Quoting Fbgdavidson (Reply 6): Can't remember where I read it now but UA have a number of divisions and the only ones making money are related to Mileage Plus. |
Quoting Goingboeing (Reply 47): The airline isn't responsible for providing perks to non-employees - that's the non-employees employers job |
Quoting Goingboeing (Reply 47): You most likely read it on another message board...hardly the place for "factual" information. If FF programs were the cash cows that FFer's think they are, why don't any of the airlines highlight just how much they make off the FF programs? |