tappan
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FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:49 pm

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...a_near_crash_of_two_jets_at_logan/


Scary......
Thankfully they missed...
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Fri Jun 24, 2005 11:57 pm

Frightening.

Question: Are these near misses significantly less likely at airports where all runways are parallel (CDG, ATL, LAX, for instance)? ...or do the taxiways crossing these runways pose the same amount of threat? Is the level of incidence similar?

Thanks!

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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sat Jun 25, 2005 12:11 am

HotelEchoFox Good point.....
I think both sets of pilots were probably VERY upset at the tower.
By the way, Boston tower has some of the very best ATC and personnel. Very nice and very professional.
ISOLATED incident for sure.
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sat Jun 25, 2005 10:26 pm

 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:16 am

It wasn't a Near Miss. It was a Near Hit!
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 12:56 am

At first view, it would appear that there was a lack of coordination between the two controllers or a lack of adherence to procedures. Given that these are media reports, I will wait till an official report comes out. Reporters tend to over-sensationalize these things. Given the fact that the two controllers are back on check-out would indicate a good degree of credibility in these articles though.
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 1:01 am

Bad Error.
Lucky Both Aircraft were Ok.
Anyone having the CVR Transcripts.
regds
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:08 am

Quoting HotelEchoFox (Reply 1):
Question: Are these near misses significantly less likely at airports where all runways are parallel (CDG, ATL, LAX, for instance)? ...or do the taxiways crossing these runways pose the same amount of threat? Is the level of incidence similar?

Yes, it does play a factor when runways are crossing on the ground. But, it could just as well happen with parallel runways with arriving/departing aircraft (vertical separation must be established between DEPs [above] and ARRs [below] before they cross).
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:17 am

The scary thing about this story is that this isn't a training issue or lack or training. This is just a person not paying attention to what they were doing and almost causing a major accident. Needless to say, I am very happy that there were no injuries as a result of this negligent act.
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:07 am

If there had been a collision, would a controller be charged with a crime? In some countries they are.
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:31 am

I'm sorry, but this is the Boston media 'making news' when nothing more substantive is there. They do it all the time. First the Boston Globe reported the story, and then the morning TV news programs jumped all over it with 'LIVE REPORTS!' from Logan...after concocting their 'news' based on what the Boston Globe came out with that day. Shameless hussies, that's what the TV media in Boston is. They would send a reporter to 'REPORT LIVE FROM THE SCENE!' of a cat up a tree if it meant they could sell more car commercials.

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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:40 am

Quoting ChrisNH (Reply 11):
They would send a reporter to 'REPORT LIVE FROM THE SCENE!' of a cat up a tree if it meant they could sell more car commercials.

We interupt the 9th inning of game 7 of th World Series,

FLUFFY HAS FALLEN TO HER DEATH!!!
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:57 am

ChrisNH....
You think this is a "stupid media story"? less than 200feet seperation between jets?
You are wrong...
Check out today's info...It came from The Associated Press and official sources...
http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...e_action_moments_before_near_miss/
NO CHRISNH...
This time the Boston media was right on.

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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:25 am

Good reaction by crew -- keeping the 737 nose down... they avoided another Tenerife!
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 9:41 am

Quoting Tappan (Reply 13):

You think this is a "stupid media story"? less than 200feet seperation between jets?
You are wrong...

I agree... if a crew has to take evasive action (keeping the nose down in this case) to avoid a collission because of an ATC error... that's a story. How would you feel to be sitting on that 733 and see gear going by overhead at a level where you could probably see the tread in the tires??
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 10:44 am

Yes, you're right...this is a pretty significant story given the circumstances. My rant was more at the media and how they package everything as 'BREAKING NEWS!' when it's hardly that. This, I agree, is a pretty big story. I paid attention to see if they (the media) described the aircraft properly. They seemed to have, as near as I can tell.

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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Sun Jun 26, 2005 2:54 pm

Go to: http://www4.passur.com/bos.html

Select June 9th at 19:39. Wait a minute or so and you will see it for yourself.
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:21 am

JKudall
Passur (airport monitor) does not seem to come up Sad

Thanks
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:35 am

Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 4):
It wasn't a Near Miss. It was a Near Hit!

Hey now, make sure you give credit to George Carlin for that one, lest you end up like Mike Barnacle who plagiarized Carlin in his column in the Boston Globe.  duck 
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Mon Jun 27, 2005 1:53 am

Tappan it does work for me anyhow. Select June 9 19:39 as he says, and zoom it to the 4 mile view. At first you will just see an arriving plane from the bottom of the screen. Within a minute or so you will see the 2 departing green planes simultaneously.
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:02 am

Update on the story today:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/mas...evented_jet_collision_report_says/

Looks like the U pilot saved the day.
 
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RE: FAA Confirms Near Miss At BOS June 9th

Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:25 am

Quoting BOS2LAF (Reply 19):
Hey now, make sure you give credit to George Carlin for that one, lest you end up like Mike Barnacle who plagiarized Carlin in his column in the Boston Globe.

Just because he actually said it first doesn't mean I didn't think it first! Big grin
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