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How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 3:41 pm

Mir and I were wondering how Virgin staffs the A346 LHR-HKG-SYD flights. Do crews fly each segment, then layover, all the way back until LHR? Any insight is appreciated.

Also, do crews generally prefer the Hong Kong/Sydney flight (or other Asian flights) or do employees with seniority generally prefer JFK or other East Coast runs?
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:12 pm

LHR-HKG

2 Nights HKG

HKG-SYD

1 Night SYD

SYD-HKG

2 Nights HKG

HKG-LHR

9 Day trip altogether.

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 6:55 pm

sounds like a nice little trip that
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:01 pm

And the QF, BA crew?!
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 7:01 pm

Anyone know how the HKG-SYD leg is doing load wise? I was thinkin of going down to SYD in September and thought I might try my chances getting on as standby, and if the loads are as they were last time I saw a thread re this I'll have a good chance of getting on! Gotta love the A346 too!!!
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Sun Jun 26, 2005 8:32 pm

Quoting 777klm (Reply 3):
And the QF, BA crew?!

BA is exactly the same, but via BKK and SIN instead of HKG. 4 or 5 days off afterwards. Same also to MEL.

Safe flying

[Edited 2005-06-26 13:32:49]
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:34 am

Don't know about VS crews but at BA Aussie trips are not really that popular anymore. Apart from the fact that they are quite long, getting one night in Oz is horrid. On the Oz-Asia sector you feel like you've been dug up!
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 4:56 am

Thats true. The BA ozzie trips are only popular because of the money, not the trip itself. A LHR/SIN/SYD 9 day trip generally racks up about GBP1100.00 in 'allowences'. And the block of days off afterwards a nice.

Just out of curiousity is it a good paying trip at VS? How many days off does it generate? Do the HKG based crews or LON based crews operate the route?
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:03 am

Monkeyboi

Hello, we get less than half that! About 450. Days off 4 but can be 3!!!! Both london and HKG crew on all 4 sectors (and soon to be SYD crew too)

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:30 am

Do BA crew really get GBP1100.00 on a 9 day Australia partern !! thats huge!!

QF Aussie crew only operate 1 LHR pattern routing SYD - SIN 41HR slip
SIN - LHR 36HR slip LHR - SIN 48hr slip. If you starve yourself you usually bring back about AUD600.00 in cash allowances.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:33 am

Can we try and avoid discussing the money earned by airline crew here, please? All that happens is that battles erupt between airline crew or Joe Public begins questioning why they earn "so much".
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 5:41 am

What an awful trip--and even then, only three or four days off between them! YIKES! Seems like VS could save a lot of money and hassle by just having the the LHR-HKG trip split by crews from both bases, and then same for HKG-SYD (split by HKG and SYD crews).

How many duty hours is the trip?

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:07 am

Quoting Crosschecked (Reply 10):
Can we try and avoid discussing the money earned by airline crew here, please? All that happens is that battles erupt between airline crew or Joe Public begins questioning why they earn "so much".

What do you have to hide? I suppose you can choose not to take part in such a discussion but the rest of us can choose to do otherwise.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:51 am

Quoting Crosschecked (Reply 10):
All that happens is that battles erupt between airline crew or Joe Public begins questioning why they earn "so much".

If Joe Public starts questioning, I think most a.neters will be quick to shut them down. These people earn every single cent/quid etc they earn.

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:07 am

is there any more info on VS opening a SYD crew base at all ?

I heard that rumour but wasnt sure how to go about it ! Any details would be greatly received !

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:30 am

its a bit off topic but if I take VS JFK-LHR-HKG-SYD and Emirates on JFK-DXB-SYD which one would be a better option leaving out the fact that VS has an extra stop?
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:59 am

Are these the longest trips for crews around the world? I know LH, when they operated FRA-JFK-LIM-SCL had 12 and 13 day trips. I'm curious.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:03 pm

Quoting Flighttime (Reply 6):
Don't know about VS crews but at BA Aussie trips are not really that popular anymore. Apart from the fact that they are quite long, getting one night in Oz is horrid. On the Oz-Asia sector you feel like you've been dug up!

Bear in mind that 1 night in Oz actually means arriving 5am , staying overnight, then flying out the following day around 3-4pm...

so it's +30 hrs or so....
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:36 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 16):
Are these the longest trips for crews around the world? I know LH, when they operated FRA-JFK-LIM-SCL had 12 and 13 day trips. I'm curious.

I don't remember LH ever operating JFK - LIM. I remember FRA to either BOG or CCS, then to Quito (UIO?), then to LIM, then to LPB, and then return. That is the flight I remember on the 747. Anyone can correct me.
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:37 pm

I know LH, when they operated FRA-JFK-LIM-SCL had 12 and 13 day trips. I'm curious.

When did they operate this? And with what aircraft?
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:39 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 16):
Are these the longest trips for crews around the world?

Air India used to have the dreaded double-shuttle trips that ran BOM-DEL-LHR-JFK-LHR-ORD-LHR-DEL-BOM. Totally just under 20 days away from base.
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 6:40 pm

RJpieces, this should be in the 60s or 70s and with B707s !!!
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:02 pm

LY has 8 day trips to ... TLV - YYZ - LAX - YYZ - TLV
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:04 am

Quoting Emirates773ER (Reply 15):
which one would be a better option leaving out the fact that VS has an extra stop?

Define 'better' to you, as it's open to interpretation.

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:27 am

Quoting Industrybuff (Reply 14):
is there any more info on VS opening a SYD crew base at all ?

I heard that rumour but wasnt sure how to go about it ! Any details would be greatly received !

Cheers

Go to
http://www.virgin-atlantic.com/en/au...ngforus/currentvacancies/index.jsp

Hope that helps.

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:49 am

Quoting Trident2e (Reply 12):
What do you have to hide? I suppose you can choose not to take part in such a discussion but the rest of us can choose to do otherwise.

I have nothing to hide, but I see no reason why the earnings of cabin crew are anyone's business other that the crew themselves.

You sound like fun.
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:07 pm

Quoting FLY2LIM (Reply 18):
I don't remember LH ever operating JFK - LIM. I remember FRA to either BOG or CCS, then to Quito (UIO?), then to LIM, then to LPB, and then return. That is the flight I remember on the 747. Anyone can correct me.
FLY2LIM

During the 60's and early 70's. I used to watch the 707 arrive and leave for LIM and SCL as a kid. It was known as the "Nazi" express transporting X-Nazi's that escaped after the war.

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 20):
Air India used to have the dreaded double-shuttle trips that ran BOM-DEL-LHR-JFK-LHR-ORD-LHR-DEL-BOM. Totally just under 20 days away from base.

For a long time Air India has had a London Base for F/A's, so I'm wondering when that was.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:05 pm

At EK we have an 11day trip:

DXB-SIN
24hr layover
SIN-MEL
54hr layover
MEL-AKL-MEL
13hr layover
MEL-AKL-MEL
13hr layover
MEL-AKL-MEL
48hr layover
MEL-SIN
24hr layover
SIN-DXB
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 2:17 pm

DXB-SIN 2:45a DXB 1 2:05p SIN 1 7:20
24hr layover

SIN-MEL 3:20p SIN 1 12:20a+1 MEL I 7:00
54hr layover

MEL-AKL-MEL 7:15a MEL I 12:45p AKL I 3:30
5:55p AKL I 7:45p MEL I 3:50 + 5 hr layover
= 12.5 hrs duty
13hr layover

MEL-AKL-MEL
13hr layover

MEL-AKL-MEL
48hr layover

MEL-SIN
24hr layover

SIN-DXB


It's kind of strange that despite the DXB-SIN and SIN-MEL sectors being around the same length, that u guys get so much more time off in MEL.

Also, will the fact that the MEL-AKL sector be operatedwith the A345 from 16 July as opposed to the B773 change the roster, or are the B773 crew capable of also handling that flight??
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 4:27 pm

Im not an expert on the legalities side of scheduling, but... the maximum consecutive days we can work is 7 and the 8th day must be off. Therefore, our day off is down route on this trip, hence a long stay in MEL.

But, as you do point out the A345 will take over the MEL-AKL-MEL sector in July so this trip will be ending. The B777 crew with only operate DXB-SIN-MEL v.v Much to the relief of foreign crew who dont like spending so much time away but also for the despair of crew originating from MEL, who can spend so much time with family and friends.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 5:24 pm

Monkeyboi I am truly shocked that you have posted what we are supposed to earn on a Sin-Oz trip. Apart from it being a highly private matter it is downright crass and vulgar. You aren't Monkey Business on another forum are you? If so a LOT of your colleagues there would be as equally shocked as me.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-S

Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:28 pm

Quoting B707Stu (Reply 26):
For a long time Air India has had a London Base for F/A's, so I'm wondering when that was.

The London cabin crew base was discontinued in 1986. The patterns I posted are from 2-3 years ago.
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:07 pm

Back in march I flew the LHR-SIN-SYD trip with QF and the First-officer told me it was a 2 nights lay-over in LON and a 2 nights lay-over in SIN.

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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:25 pm

At KLM we still have a 14day trip but it's only for one member of the crew,
the rest goes home earlier.
It's AMS-KUL 48hrs
KUL-CGK-KUL 144hrs
KUL-CGK-KUL 48hrs
KUL-AMS
And then 6days off.
That is the dream trip for every CA at KLM, but you can only get if you're an
eco-class CA, WBC-CA's and junior and senior pursers can't get it.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-S

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:27 pm

At KLM we still have a 14day trip but it's only for one member of the crew,
the rest goes home earlier.
It's AMS-KUL 48hrs
KUL-CGK-KUL 144hrs
KUL-CGK-KUL 48hrs
KUL-AMS
And then 6days off.
That is the dream trip for every CA at KLM, but you can only get if you're an
eco-class CA, WBC-CA's and junior and senior pursers can't get it.
 
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RE: How Do Virgin Atlantic Crews Operate LHR-HKG-SYD?

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:40 pm

thanks VS11

the link turned up no current vacancies... I have a friend working in VS cabin crew scheduling in LHR so I might email her ...

do you know when the base starts, what trips are they ?

Cheers

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