DELTA777
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New Pan Am City

Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:11 am

It was in a local paper that PanAm will begin service to the Youngstown/Warren Regional Airport. According to the paper, David Fink was in Warren talking abour his long term commitment to the airport. we`ll see how long PanAm is here. 2 months?

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RE: New Pan Am City

Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:19 am

Just like Hooters I would imagne.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:29 am

Quoting Delta777 (Thread starter):
According to the paper, David Fink was in Warren talking abour his long term commitment to the airport. we`ll see how long PanAm is here. 2 months?

His "long-term commitment" in ACY lasted 6 months, which is probably a record for him.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Mon Jun 27, 2005 7:42 am

One of these months they are gonna serve VCV ....only there will be no outbound flights!
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RE: New Pan Am City

Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:41 am

Just like Hooters? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Hooters has never pulled out of a city. Other then RSw which was a 6 month stay. Get your facts right. Hooters never served that airport.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:20 am

 
luv2fly
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:29 am

Quoting B757capt (Reply 4):
Just like Hooters? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Hooters has never pulled out of a city. Other then RSw which was a 6 month stay. Get your facts right. Hooters never served that airport.

Get your facts straight Youngstown was quickly dropped.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:52 am

I think both carriers would be better of with CAK. Most NE Ohioans dont even think about Youngstown. CAK has been the focus of things. PanAm and Hooters should jump on the ship.

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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:36 am

YNG is getting pretty close to PIT as well so unless this is REALLY cheap, and REALLY good/convenient service, why bother?? As for the extremely local draw, the YNG/New Castle area is pretty economically depressed... that would be like starting service out of my home area VVS.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:27 pm

The only destination that Pan Am never close is Aguadilla, Puerto Rico (BQN).
When Pan Am 3 cancel all 727 flights and close all the stations include Sandford hub, Aguadilla continue open with flights to Santo Domingo, Punta Cana and San Juan. All flights on Jetstream 31 operate by Boston Maine Airways and Pan Am World Dominicana. The 4 J-31 based in BQN are painted in Pan Am colors. Pan Am celebrate's his 3 aniversary at BQN on MAY 24,2005.

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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:38 pm

Clipper Connection is also starting Columbus-Rickenbacker to Portsmouth and Columbus-Rickenbacker to Stewart/Newburgh, starting in July. LCK-PSM will operate 3x weekly Friday through Sunday, and LCK-SWF will operate one-time weekly on Monday. This is in addition to LCK-SFB, which operates 5x weekly, and LCK-PIE which operates 4x weekly.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:45 pm

Quoting B757capt (Reply 4):
Just like Hooters? What the hell is that supposed to mean? Hooters has never pulled out of a city. Other then RSw which was a 6 month stay. Get your facts right. Hooters never served that airport.

Get your facts straight Youngstown was quickly dropped.



Hooters never operated in YNG maybe you are thinking of Vacation Express, when Pace operated for them?
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:46 pm

Quoting A/c dxer (Reply 11):
Hooters never operated in YNG maybe you are thinking of Vacation Express, when Pace operated for them?

Your right my bad, sorry for my confusion. Close though if that counts.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:08 pm

What is PanAm's current fleet? Is it still 727's? Will they be adding anymore a/c?
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RE: New Pan Am City

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 10):
Clipper Connection is also starting Columbus-Rickenbacker to Portsmouth and Columbus-Rickenbacker to Stewart/Newburgh, starting in July. LCK-PSM will operate 3x weekly Friday through Sunday, and LCK-SWF will operate one-time weekly on Monday.

That is on the props, right? LCK-PSM is a good long time to sit on a prop.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:29 am

Quoting Delta777 (Thread starter):
It was in a local paper that PanAm will begin service to the Youngstown/Warren Regional Airport.

What was second prize?

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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:00 am

Quote:
That is on the props, right? LCK-PSM is a good long time to sit on a prop.

I'm pretty sure both LCK-PSM and LCK-SWF are on 727s, since the online booking tool offers both coach and their premium class product.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:07 am

Thanks LUV2FLY. It was VE service on Saturdays only.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:16 am

Quoting B757capt (Reply 17):
Thanks LUV2FLY. It was VE service on Saturdays only.

I can admit when I am wrong, though I was close, Pace/Hooters same parent company.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:33 am

Wow, scheduled airline service back at YNG. Finally someone can use the 1 akwardly-set jetway that sticks out of their little 1-level terminal.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:38 am

Quoting N766UA (Reply 19):
Wow, scheduled airline service back at YNG. Finally someone can use the 1 akwardly-set jetway that sticks out of their little 1-level terminal.

Yea, they can use it for the 3 months they stay there..
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:43 am

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 16):
Quote:
That is on the props, right? LCK-PSM is a good long time to sit on a prop.

I'm pretty sure both LCK-PSM and LCK-SWF are on 727s, since the online booking tool offers both coach and their premium class product.

Oh okay, I thought "Clipper connection" was Pan Am terminology for regional stuff, i.e. my reasoning for thinking props. Regardless, PSM is in my favorite state, NH, but why bother flying way out there to connect to anywhere from LCK??
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:20 am

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 21):
Oh okay, I thought "Clipper connection" was Pan Am terminology for regional stuff

I think they changed it all to Clipper Connection when they put the 727's on the Boston-Maine certificate to screw the union... I could be wrong though
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:15 am

Luv2fly. No sir not the same thing. Just get your facts right.
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:36 am

Courtesy: The Vindicator

Leaders Revel Over Plans For Pan Am

http://www.vindy.com/mobile/290879925298754.php
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:46 am

What do you all think Pan Am III is doing wrong? I think it might have something to do with the fact that the only flight they currently have that connects too main airports is LCK - PIE... Those being two of the three main airports they serve (SJU is the third).

SFB isn't so bad, but if you already have to drive ages from let's say Boston to PSM, and then drive extra again from SFB to Orlando, that's double-trouble.

Then compare that to B6... You get to use the closer airports, pay around the same, fly a newer plane, watch tv, etc.

I just don't think enough Americans are German enough to travel three hours to an airport which names itself after the city they originated from, and then fly to an airport that calls itself the name of its destination, and then from there drive another hour to get to that actual destination. Especially when it can be done a lot easier, as with B6 and WN. Yes... B6 uses secondary airports in CA and WN uses ISP for NYC, but those are the only exceptions I can think of. Pan Am is trying the Ryanair approach, but it just isn't working for them.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:16 am

 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Thu Jun 30, 2005 11:31 pm

Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 13):
What is PanAm's current fleet? Is it still 727's? Will they be adding anymore a/c?

I talked to their Director of Marketing last week at LCK before the inaugural flight out (which I was on...Trip Report coming when I get home Big grin)- he said they have 20 727s & don't have any plans of retiring the 727s & finding replacements right now. PA's happy with the 727 & the planes owned by Boston-Maine, not leased. They also have the J-31s in PSM & the Caribbean, although I don't know how many they have total.

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RE: New Pan Am City

Fri Jul 01, 2005 4:59 am

Courtesy: WFMJ-TV

Pilot Union Upset At Pan Am

http://www.wfmj.com/ArticleView.asp?ID=8854
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Fri Jul 01, 2005 11:01 pm

In an area like YNG... there are still alot of strong union ties from all the heavy industry of past and present... this information making it beyond the industry/A.net realm and into mainstream media isn't going to help their reception from the residents of YNG.
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Sat Jul 09, 2005 3:08 pm

Thought I'd add that Pan-Am will also begin Youngstown (YNG) - SWF, SFB, PIE, and PSM in October...

Is this news old? I checked flypanam.com a couple weeks ago and didn't see YNG anywhere on the routemap, so I assume this is new.

Has anyone flown Pan-Am Clipper Connection? What is their first class service like?

Adam

EDIT: Didn't see the previous post where this was discussed. Apologies.

Can anyone comment on their service?

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ouboy79
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RE: New Pan Am City

Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:39 pm

It appears the YNG info has vanished from the Pan Am site. Gone before they were there?  Smile
 
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RE: New Pan Am City

Fri Jul 15, 2005 1:44 pm

According to Pan Am, they are "revamping" the schedule. They will repost it (not post it) on Monday.

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