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The Etops Thread

Mon Jun 27, 2005 11:56 pm

since there are just thousands of questions out there in this forum right now as we speak, i thought it might be a good idea to collect them in here and get the answers on this widely unknown topic together in one place. I have two questions about ETOPS:

- Do ETOPS only apply to passenger jets, or do they also apply to cargo airplanes? And what about the business jets crossing the atlantic/pacific?

- LH, BA, AF, they all still have 747s and A340s flying the Atlantic. I mean ETOPS absolutly make sense, but are twin engined jets always that much more economical across for example the Atlantic? On a lot of occasions I have flown huge detours with twin engined aircraft across the Atlantic and taken huge "shortcuts" with triple- and quad-engined aircraft, that often times there were differences up to 1.5 hours. A lot of people say the loss of money for the extra fuel, crew, etc. compare to the extra costs it takes to maintain a quad-jet. But in another thread i just read it takes extra money to have a twin-jet ETOPS qualified and also takes extra money maintaining. So are twin jets really cheaper in the long-run like everyone (at least on the B side of the discussion) seems to know?
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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 12:52 am

Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:04 am

Does ETOPS only apply to 2 engined aircraft such as the 737, 757, 777....?

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 1):
Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

Extended-Range Twin-Engine Operations (ETOPS)

Here's a webpage that might give you some help, although I'm sure someone on here will explain:
http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183011-1.html


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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 1:10 am

Ive always found this website to be most enlightening on various subjects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ETOPS
 
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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:17 am

"On a lot of occasions I have flown huge detours with twin engined aircraft across the Atlantic and taken huge "shortcuts" with triple- and quad-engined aircraft, that often times there were differences up to 1.5 hours."

For instance?
 
Tornado82
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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:20 am

Yeah why would you need a detour on an ETOPS aircraft going across the Atlantic??
 
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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:29 am

I have flown over the Atlantic 30 times, 24 of those times on 2 Engine aircraft, we never took any detours, none are needed for the North Atlantic.
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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:43 am

Quoting FutureUApilot (Reply 1):
Just out of curiosity, what is ETOPS mean?

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RE: The Etops Thread

Tue Jun 28, 2005 7:58 am

Does ETOPS only apply to 2 engined aircraft such as the 737, 757, 777....?

Yes, ETOPS is only for twin engine aircraft.
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