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Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 8:35 am

http://www.atwonline.com/news/other.html?issueDate=6%2F27%2F2005

According to ATWONLINE.COM, Air Sahara has announced that it intends to order 40 airplanes for delivery over the next five years to bring its fleet to 65.

ATWONLINE.COM has speculated that the likely order will consist of 777s and 737NGs. Last week, Air Sahara announced plans to begin daily services between Delhi and London from September/October with two 777-200ERs leased from ILFC for five years.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:01 am

I think they have already ordered 20 737NG. They had a firm order for 10 and exercised 10 options very recently. I guess if they order another 20 planes it could be split 10 737/10 777 at a guess.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:04 am

Quoting Behramjee (Thread starter):
Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Air Sahara might do lots of things! Big grin

I've long given up trying to predict what Sahara will do next.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:22 am

I don't think Air Sahara has exercised options or purchased any 737NGs recently...you might be thinking of SpiceJet.
In fact, on boeing.com, they aren't even listed as a customer/purchaser.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:39 am

Quoting B747-437B (Reply 2):
I've long given up trying to predict what Sahara will do next.

Sean your point above indeed does make a lot of sense and raises a lot of interesting questions.

S2 is the 3rd biggest domestic airline in India behind 9W and IC and yet those airlines and a host of new start ups have already announced many large wide-bodied and short-bodied aircraft and yet an airline of S2s stature and name in India who has operating for many years now hasnt as yet placed or even hinted at placing a sizeable widebodied order to fuel its international expansion.

Why is that? Why are they taking so long?
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:42 am

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Why is that? Why are they taking so long?

Lack of capital perhaps is a reason. No one knows if they are currently profitable. They did not want to show their financial statements to SAA for the leasing of three A340s, which was cited as a reason by SAA in signing the lease with Jet Airways.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:47 am

At first I read that as being 40 777s plus some 737s, and I thought these guys are even more delusional than certain ME airlines. I presume any order would end up being heavily weighted towards 737s in any order size at 40 aircraft.

The Indian airlines are going nuts.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:57 am

A lot of the Indian carriers seem to be focussing on the UK, Europe and USA in their short term expnasion plans. Over the last 12 months the Australia-India market has grown by 30%, with average annual growth of 23% since 2000.

Which Indian carrier do you think would commence Australian ops first.
AI had expressed interest, but I think that 9W or S2 may beat them to it.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:32 pm

Quoting Blsbls99 (Reply 3):
don't think Air Sahara has exercised options or purchased any 737NGs recently...you might be thinking of SpiceJet.
In fact, on boeing.com, they aren't even listed as a customer/purchaser.

I think you're right. Too many Indian airlines all of a sudden for me to keep track of!!!
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:11 pm

After HSS jr has decided to take charge of Air Sahara in more detail.The S2 Staff seem optimistic.
Time will tell.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 9:58 pm

Where are all these airlines coming from, King Tut's Tomb? I mean I've never heard of half of these egyptian airlines.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:06 pm

Quoting Rj777 (Reply 10):
Where are all these airlines coming from

Its the time of the Two year Aviation Boom Bubble in India  Smile
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:08 pm

Quoting Rj777 (Reply 10):
I've never heard of half of these egyptian airlines.

That's cos they aren't Egyptian.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:16 pm

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 4):
Why is that? Why are they taking so long?


Just a guess - may be its got something to do with their pilots running away like they are the plague?

Sahara needs to have simpler goals - like making it to 2006 as a functioning entity.
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737N

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:46 pm

Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:48 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 14):
Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc Wink to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

In one word, no.

Well, in theory there is but thats only if they are willing to hub in places Nagpur or Porbandar.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:55 pm

Alright, then what happens? Are there big investments in the pipeline for new facilities?
 
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:15 pm

While it's great that Indian Civil aviation is experiencing growth, the GOI is a miserable failure when it comes to the infrastructure. The GOI love to bill India as an extremely important player on world political and economic stage yet the airport infrastructure is no better than more destitute third world countries.

To date I haven't heard much about wholesale airport infrastructure upgrades/renovations and new construction other than the plan to partially privatize Mumbai and Delhi airports. Makes you want to you to put you heard through a wall!

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Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:30 pm

Quoting N79969 (Reply 16):
Alright, then what happens?

The smart money should be on anarchy, but like most Indians they will probably find a way to squeeze triple the designed capacity into limited space and life goes on as normal.
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RE: Air Sahara (S2) Might Order 40 B 777s + B 737NGs

Wed Jun 29, 2005 12:07 am

Quoting Atmx2000 (Reply 6):
The Indian airlines are going nuts.



Quoting Dalecary (Reply 8):
I think you're right. Too many Indian airlines all of a sudden for me to keep track of!!!

Kind of reminds you of the US right after deregulation doesn't it?

Quoting N79969 (Reply 14):
Is there actually enough aviation infrastrucure in India (gates, runway capacity, licensed mechanics/pilots, terminal space, safety inspectors, airport access, etc to accommodate all of the airplanes that are being ordered?

That's the million dollar question. New airlines are crawling out of the woodwork, but the basic infrastructure remains the same as it has always been. With large investment in improving the basic infrastructure (terminals, runways, ATC, ramp space etc. etc), Indian aviation could be in a world of hurt. More than anything else, the spike in air traffic will place a higher emphasis on the ATC network, which to me, needs considerable attention.

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