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WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:16 am

Where do they fly right now, and when are they going to get parted? I can't imagine that commonality-consistent Southwest is going to get rid of the last couple of dozen of their 126-seat aircraft relatively soon. And, like I said, I would be interested in knowing what routes the 735's are generally put on.
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:21 am

>> Where do they fly right now, and when are they going to get parted?

Last time I checked, Florida and California markets. Scheduled to fine-tune capacity from time to time.

>> I can't imagine that commonality-consistent Southwest is going to get rid of the last couple of dozen of their 126-seat aircraft relatively soon

There are no publically announced plans or considerations to ditch the 735 at the current time. They are young airplanes and given the growth WN is maintaining, I seriously doubt they will offload 25 airplanes before 2010...
 
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:22 am

If I'm not mistaken, I think they are startinig to be relagated to DAL flying the "wrong ammendment" specials.

As security times have increased, the advantage of flying short hops over driving is narrowing, and this has been decreasing the economic viability of the DAL hub. Therefore, they have been using their smallest aircraft on these routes.

The WN DAL hub will continue to slowly deteriorate if the Wrong Ammendment is not repealed.

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:26 am

>> If I'm not mistaken, I think they are now mostly relagated to DAL flying the "wrong ammendment" specials.

They are not hubed around DAL at the current time, in the way that the 732 were.

Only the 732 were scheduled to be one-hop away from DAL at the end of their life for crew and maintenance reasons.


>> The WN DAL hub will continue to slowly deteriorate if the Wrong Ammendment is no repealed.

DAL is losing frequencies because there are other, higher yielding markets in the WN system. WN has moved some airplanes and staff off the DAL routes to these markets to maximize profit. The downsizing wasn't even drastic, they cut 31 DAL-HOU frequencies to 27...

The DAL/Texas routes are still heavily traveled and the bread-and-butter of the airline. WN may continue to siphon resources elsewhere, but it will hardly atroph to anemic levels...

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:28 am

The -500s have 122 seats....

They mainly stay in Texas, along with California and Florida.

I think the first -500s started arriving at SWA around 1989 (I'm at home, away from SWA data, etc.) and if so, I think it'd be at least 2011 before youd see any leave the fleet...
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 1:01 pm

The trouble is, there are already a number of -500's on the market, and not enough demand. So I doubt it pays to try and get rid of them.

it is odd that they bought them in the first place -- I know they were spot-on replacements for the -200, but, still, it's always surprised me that Southwest didn't stay with just -300's.

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:52 pm

Southwest doesn't restrict our -500s to any one market. Just today at LAX, we had -500s coming in from OAK, MCI and headed out to OAK, TUS, LAS, etc. They go all over.
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:52 pm

A little off topic but why does WN have the 500? Is it because they bought some other 735 opertator and itegrated the plane into their fleet?
 
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:00 pm

Quoting AirWillie6475 (Reply 7):
A little off topic but why does WN have the 500? Is it because they bought some other 735 opertator and itegrated the plane into their fleet?

Wrong. WN bought these airplanes brand new. I believe they may have been the launch customer. WN original thought was for -200 replacement. But they decide the economics were better to purchase only the -300. I don't remember the original number of -500 ordered but I know it was more than 25.

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:46 pm

Quoting WNSOCAL (Reply 8):
I don't remember the original number of -500 ordered but I know it was more than 25.

WN was the launch customer with an order for 25 firm/25 options. The options were converted to -300's.

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:02 pm

Southwest's 735s were purchased brand new from Boeing, they were a launch customer for the type, and the idea was that the 735 was the ideal 732 replacement as the 735 and 732 had almost idential seating capacities. The decision to purchase the 735 was made in the mid-1980s, long before Southwest's tremendous growth and expansion - Southwest later settled on the 733 sized airliner as the ideal capacity for most segments, which explains why Southwest has gone on to purchase lots and lots of 733s and later the similiar-sized 73G. With the 732s now retired, the twenty five 735s are the only aircraft in Southwest's fleet of 400+ 737s with the lower seating capacity.

The 735s are going to be around for a while I think, Southwest has not finalized anything concerning 733 or 735 retirements as of yet, the older 732s just left the fleet a few months ago and so much depends on how quickly Southwest continues to grow and expand.

I do think, however, that over time, Southwest will concentrate the 735s on certain routes or regions (similiar to the approach used with the 732 during the last years of their service with the airline).....for example, I could see the 735s operating the DAL-HOU-SAT triangle routes which have many, many frequencies per day. To keep things simple (Southwest's basic approach with many of its practices), flights that hip-hop accross the country will be operated by 733/73G aircraft.
 
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:17 pm

Quoting WNSOCAL (Reply 8):
I believe they may have been the launch customer.

They were most definately the launch customer.

Quoting Dutchjet (Reply 10):
I do think, however, that over time, Southwest will concentrate the 735s on certain routes or regions (similiar to the approach used with the 732 during the last years of their service with the airline).....for example, I could see the 735s operating the DAL-HOU-SAT triangle routes which have many, many frequencies per day. To keep things simple (Southwest's basic approach with many of its practices), flights that hip-hop accross the country will be operated by 733/73G aircraft.

The 735s don't have the same issues as the 732s. They have the same engines as the 733 and 73G (73G's engines are more advanced versions of the CFM56), same cockpit layout, no differences training, etc. That means they can use the same MX bases, same pilot currency, everything. That means they can keep them on whatever route they need until the day they retire them.
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:24 pm

Quoting WNSOCAL (Reply 8):
I don't remember the original number of -500 ordered but I know it was more than 25.

I do believe you are correct...

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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:34 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):

The 735s don't have the same issues as the 732s. They have the same engines as the 733 and 73G (73G's engines are more advanced versions of the CFM56), same cockpit layout, no differences training, etc. That means they can use the same MX bases, same pilot currency, everything. That means they can keep them on whatever route they need until the day they retire them.

I agree, you are 100% correct, there is no differences in training, mx, etc between the 735 and the other members of the Southwest fleet. The only difference, of course, is that the 735s have about 15 seats less than the vast majority of the other aircraft in Southwest's fleet, and to keep things simple, I would expect that 735s over time may be dedicated to certain markets where frequency is more important than seats per airplane......I used the DAL-HOU-SAT triangle as an example due to the high-frequency operations on those routes. It certainly has not happened yet, it MAY happen in the future.
 
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:22 am

Are SWA pilots cross-trained on all aircraft?
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:23 am

Quoting Cloud4000 (Reply 14):
Are SWA pilots cross-trained on all aircraft?

Yes. Any pilot can fly any aircraft in the fleet.
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RE: WN's 737-500 Fleet:

Thu Jun 30, 2005 12:38 am

Hello all

From my standpoint I can't wait till we get rid of the 500's.

They are a pain to load because they have to be front heavy but the front bin space is smaller the aft bin space. I can remember walking out to my gate 45 minutes before my flight was scheduled to arrive to sort through my bags to make sure all the small bags where up front. A real pain.  Smile

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